Ecstasy use 'increases mental disorders'

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Zenmervolt

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<< I did suffer from severe depression, lots of suicidal thoughts blah blah blah and then I found this lovely little pill. Yeah I abused it early on, but so do all users when they start, and that is quite possibly the only thing I regret about doing it. It gave me a purpose for living, albiet an unhealthy one, but after I stopped using it as much, I still didn't fall back into severe depression. >>

Of course. Extacy works by substantially increasing the amount of seratonin released. Anti-depressive drugs work by very mildly increasing the amount of seratonin released. However, continued use of Extacy does bur out the receptors because of the extremely high amounts of seratonin it causes to be released. Once the receptors to seratonin are burnt out, the effect is the same as though there were no seratonin at all, which is to say that the effect is clinical depression. This is a proven medical fact. This is an effect that happens gradually and generally with severe abuse.

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<< "regular ecstacy use" is defined at 20 times a month. 20 freakin times >>




a month? oh my fricking god... thats alot... 20 rolls.... damn.. those people are addicts... i havent rolled 20 times in the past year and a half.....


 

jobberd

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Im not really surprised. Numerous studies already hinted at such things. From what I know of Ecstasy, it effects your emotions and feelings more then anything else. It's no wonder certain people who chronically use it develop emotional problems, just like chronic LSD users often have visual flashbacks (although not due to the LSD itself). If you're going to dabble in drugs that affect your emotions or change your sense of perception, ALWAYS do it in moderation, and always be prepared for the risks involved
 

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<< look at my sig... and even i won't touch x. so there you have it. >>

I'm as big of a fan as Hunter S. Thompson as the next guy, but you cannot honestly tell me you believe esctasy to be a more dangerous drug then adrenochrome or ether
 

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<< Heavy use of Extacy, according to my Psych prof, effectively burns out the seratonin receptors in the brain. An inability to respond to seratonin is the chief physiological symptom of clinical depression, which means that heavy use of Extacy will eventually cause depression. It is also worth noting that since medications for depression work by slightly increasing the amount of seratonin in the brain, depression caused by Extacy is not treatable since the receptors for seratonin are "burnt out" and therefore do not respond to current anti-depressive drugs.

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most users of e that i know, and i can say personally go through really bad chemical depression after doing e. the next 3 days after a party i gotta watch what i say and who i say it to cuz tears will fall and tempers flare.

*kat. <-- not surprised.
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ah yes E-pression is the worst thing after a party. I'm out of it for the next 2 days, and then the days after that, im very antisocial. :frown:
 

swifty3

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and i thought having a labotomy was a stroke of bad luck! good thing i don't dance. don't want any more dain bramage!
 

Elledan

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Altering the chemistry of the brain without knowing what you're doing is asking for trouble.

It's not that difficult.
 

shurato

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Ok im gonna just come out and say it...i'm sure i'll get criticized and made fun of and all of the above...
I think ecstasy has changed my life for the better...I rarely do it anymore but it has allowed me to open up and become more expressive of my feelings (this is when im sober and not on it). Sure...why do you need substances to do this...you don't...but it just sorta helped and worked out in the end. I never really abused it heavily to the point where I thought I was going insane or depressed but ive done my fair share. I've loved electronic dance music ever since i was in middle school...and that was a very long time ago..I guess it just sort of enhanced the experience of my love for the music genre. Now I get the same intense feelings when im not on it. I never regret doing it...but I also don't recommend anyone to try it either. It has different effects for all people. Maybe I'll develop a disorder later on in life...but then again I'll probably die from cigarettes before that happens. One last note...I'm mad that ecstasy is just related to "raves" in the news media. Ecstasy use is EVERYWHERE and maybe it got its bad publicity jumpstart from Raves but it really sucks that the Electronic Dance Music community, specifically "raves" get the poke in the ass every time they talk about the damn drug. Ever tried going to a 12 hour rave sober? Its an awesome enlightning experience

edit: its almost 6am...i probably dont make any sense not that i would if i wasnt tired.
 

Moonbeam

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You just have to look a Bush to realize the dangers of drug abuse. Kinda looks like he fell off the wagon and on his face too today.
 

jobberd

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As Shurato pointed out, drugs can have a positive effect on one's life. Numerous artists gained valuable insight by smoking opium. Indian shamans partook in the eating of peyote in order to become closer with the spirits. We rarely hear these stories because of all the propaganda that is forced upon us by D.A.R.E. and the likes, showing only the addicts and abusers of drugs which actually make up only a small percentage of total drug users (varying on the drug). Of course, drugs can be dangerous, even if not abused. One only has to read the first post of this thread (or look at George Bush, as moonbeam suggested :)) to realize that. In the end, it all comes down to you. are you willing to take the risk? I will most likely never try ecstacy, because it doesn't appeal to me in any way, and the dangers with it are too great.
 

tcsenter

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The real tragedy here, is that tax payers are going to foot the bill for the associated medical costs of these idiot's own choices after they burn half their brain cells away. Well, that is what welfare has largely been about, anway; fixing messes stupid people get themselves into, thus ensuring the future viability of the 'stupid' gene pool. I don't mind temporary assistance to help people get back on their feet, nor do I mind helping people who are victims of things which are BEYOND their control. But these idiots are just asking for life-long problems that require expensive life-long treatment.
 

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XTC allows you to communicate with anyone and feel excellant about everything.
Listening to music is one of the best things you can do.
I used go out doing XTC every weekend for far too long but have stopped doing it now.
I did however indulge at NYE but wish I hadn't because I was completely smaked and would have had more fun getting pissed.
it makes you not give a s**t about anything and makes you very lazy. Also feel like down for couple days after but thats just because you are not as mashed as you were.
 

tcsenter

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<< As Shurato pointed out, drugs can have a positive effect on one's life. Numerous artists gained valuable insight by smoking opium >>

lol! You've got to be kidding? The artist THINKS he's 'benefitted' because artsy types are usually "out there" to begin with. What insight could someone possibly gain through drugs, besides insight into the affect that drugs have on a person? PULEEZE don't talk to me about 'the moon and the stars become aligned' or any horse manure like that. Gaining 'insight into the inner-workings of the universe' and other absurd statements are just an uppity philosophical way of saying "Man did I get f-cking high!"

The societal and individual costs of drugs FAR out-strip any 'benefits' fruity artists might have on an individual level. When someone has a good experience on drugs, they paint a stupid-looking picture and other fruitlings marvel at it. When they have a bad experience on drugs, they send themselves to the emergency room, usually at the tax payers expense, commit some crime, etc. The 'potential' for benefit pales in comparison to the 'potential' for harm.



 

jobberd

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<< lol! You've got to be kidding? The artist THINKS he's 'benefitted' because artsy types are usually "out there" to begin with. What insight could someone possibly gain through drugs, besides insight into the affect that drugs have on a person? PULEEZE don't talk to me about 'the moon and the stars become aligned' or any horse manure like that. Gaining 'insight into the inner-workings of the universe' and other absurd statements are just an uppity philosophical way of saying "Man did I get f-cking high!" >>

1: Have you ever taken drugs before? If not, you can't really know for sure what it's like. 2: I was not referring to understanding things better or suddenly becoming smarter. I was reffering to becoming very introspective, and learning alot about yourself. (Certain) drugs break down barriers and allow you to explore your deepest thoughts and emotions that were inhibited before.

<< The societal and individual costs of drugs FAR out-strip any 'benefits' fruity artists might have on an individual level. When someone has a good experience on drugs, they paint a stupid-looking picture and other fruitlings marvel at it. When they have a bad experience on drugs, they send themselves to the emergency room, usually at the tax payers expense, commit some crime, etc. The 'potential' for benefit pails in comparison to the 'potential' for harm. >>

Responsible users will very rarely have a bad experience. Even so, what bad trips cause you to go commit crimes? None of the drugs we were talking about do. As for the emergency room, again, this pretty much only happens with abusers and addicts. Besides, how many people have to get hospitalized due to a disease they got from being overweight? Are you going to want to illegalize all fatty foods, because the abusers of them become sick?
 

flavio

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Fruity types eh? Unless you are not a fan of music, painting, or any other type of art you are going to have to understand what some drugs have done for the arts. You have to be completely close minded or brainwashed not to see the role here.
 

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<< this pretty much only happens with abusers and addicts. >>



Bullsh!t. If you only knew how many casual users fvck up and die.

If an artist can only paint when high then he must really suck.
 

jobberd

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<< Bullsh!t. If you only knew how many casual users fvck up and die. >>

Which drug are we talking about? For the majority of them, this is false. Only hard drugs such as cocaine/crack, heroin or alcohol are known for this. In many cases, the casual users die because they don't know exactly what they bought from the drug dealer. This isn't the fault of the drug, but the fact that its not being government regulated.

<< If an artist can only paint when high then he must really suck. >>

What music do you listen to? I guarantee that at least one band that you bring up has at least one member that does drugs. I guess they must "suck" too.
 

flavio

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<<
Bullsh!t. If you only knew how many casual users fvck up and die.

If an artist can only paint when high then he must really suck.
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The mind-expanding drugs are normally understood as X, LSD, Marijuana, Peyote, Psilocybin, Opium, etc...and have almost non-existent intances of people dying from use.

Drugs like this have been used to the benefit of many a musician that definately did not suck...The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, loads of jazz musicians, Bob marley, loads of electronic artists, Miles Davis,.....in fact if it weren't for drugs the music scene would probably really suck. I'm just touching the tip of the iceberg here you know.

 

tcsenter

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<< Drugs like this have been used to the benefit of many a musician that definately did not suck...The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, loads of jazz musicians, Bob marley, loads of electronic artists, Miles Davis,.....in fact if it weren't for drugs the music scene would probably really suck. I'm just touching the tip of the iceberg here you know. >>

Right-O! And the world would just be a much more dark and dismal place if musicians like the Beatles and Jimi Hendrix, or freakazoids like Andy Warhol, had never made it. We would still be living in caves picking lice off each other. lol!

These people have done NOTHING for the advancement or progress of civilization or society. They do not build homes, they do not cure disease, they grow no food, they invent or manufacture nothing useful, they solve no problems, they rescue no people from burning buildings, nothing. They are ENTERTAINERS, as useless as professional athletes, in the grand scheme of things.

If I really really liked Canasta, and if nobody invented Canasta, I would have just found something else to play for entertainment. You can't argue the value of a negative.

I like the Beatles and Jimi Hendrix as much as the next person, but let's not overestimate the worth of such people to the point of absurdity solely for the purpose of legitimizing drug use by making spurrious claims that their 'value' to society due to the influence of drugs, by some very narrow reasoning, somehow outweighs or off-sets the pervasive harm drugs do to society and individuals. Billions are lost to drug-related productivity losses, medical care costs, accidents, crime, etc. every year. The net benefit gained by the elimination of drugs would outstrip the net harm by an order of magnitude.

I'm not foolish enough to believe we could ever eliminate drug use. But, because I accept that drugs can never be eliminated, doesn't mean I'm going to go as far as DEFENDING and PROMOTING their use because I might "get in touch" with my inner self.

There are FAR better and less risky ways to get in touch with one's inner self, or to become more social, than getting high. If you're a misfit who has social or emotional issues that prevent you from being a sociable or out-going person, the WORSE thing you could do is find your resolution in a DRUG. Anyone ever read Dr. Jeckell and Mr. Hyde? Sheesh!