ECS nforce4a-939 locking up like crazy

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Donquixoteh

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my final post on this board - i did print out this ENTIRE forum, then went to fry's with this and receipt. They gave me $65 credit towards another motherboard - i bought an ABIT AN8-sLI - at 150 it was overpriced but i just can't deal with that crappy ecs board. So, chances are, if you yell at them enough they will bend 0.o .... I LIKE ABIT MORE THAN ECS

thanks for all your help and making a rediculously long forum that i could slap down on the desk at frys - a good thing to have on my side.
... boo fry's...
... yay AandTech!
 

bboy

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Originally posted by: Donquixoteh
my final post on this board - i did print out this ENTIRE forum, then went to fry's with this and receipt. They gave me $65 credit towards another motherboard - i bought an ABIT AN8-sLI - at 150 it was overpriced but i just can't deal with that crappy ecs board. So, chances are, if you yell at them enough they will bend 0.o .... I LIKE ABIT MORE THAN ECS

thanks for all your help and making a rediculously long forum that i could slap down on the desk at frys - a good thing to have on my side.
... boo fry's...
... yay AandTech!

You are luckier than me. Back when I got the board, I argued with them for like 30 minutes and they wouldn't budge on exchanging the board.
 

lordz

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Dec 3, 2005
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There's a new BIOS out from ECS.

Click this

BIOS Name BIOS for NFORCE4-A939 (PCB:1.0)
Version 1.1c
Release Date 2005/12/17
Update Description -Support AMD FX-60 Dual Core processors
-Update BIOS for AMD new E4 CPU.
-Fix Patch PCI device just need option resource cannot work.
-Support Dual Core 3800+ CPU
-Dual Core CPU Support
-Support Rev.E3 CPU.
Special Note
File Size 320KB

It says nothing about fixing the USB issue. However, I'm going to reflash and give it a go.
 

bushy

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Hi All

I bought a motherboard last week, and initially considered ECS boards. I posted in this same forum asking advice on which chipset would be the best for AMD 3500+ . One member replied advising not to buy ECS AT ALL!! Said his company bought 30 boards and before 2 years passed, ALL 30 bords had to be replaced. I decided to go ASUS A8N-E, along with GIGABYTE Geforce 6600GT 128MB PCIe and AMD 3500+. Uses 300W PSU - (don't overclock). Installed WIN XP Home, ran a couple of games, and not a single hiccup. Obviously not stretching the system near as much as most of you good people, but rock solid stable. IMO a bit pricy but worth it. Suppose we still need to see if runs 2 years . . . . .

That's my 2 cents for what it's worth.
 

Zap

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ECS boards are kind of YMMV. I've seen some last quite a while, also some other brands are manufactured by ECS, such as Shuttle (back when they did motherboards) and I've also heard Abit uses ECS for manufacturing.

A bit of information about people in this thread with USB problems, in this thread someone mentioned "the USB problem that all NF4 boards have." Perhaps it isn't just the ECS board?

Anyways, after a successful test bench install of the ECS board (testing by running benchmarks, Memtest, Prime and sustaining a 7 hour USB 2.0 transfer) I installed it in my "main" rig. I use that computer daily for many, many hours and so far (only a few days) no problems.

I still might get a board to replace the ECS board because of the board layout. I like the layout of the Abit KN8 board that I'm using for my wife's system. The ECS board has the chipset too close to the PCIe 16x slot, plus uses loops for chipset HSF attachment, unlike every other AMD board under the sun that uses push pins. I had to use a Thermalright NB cooler with the 7000RPM fan (undervolted) plus I had to cut up some of the mounting hardware to make it all fit. On my wife's Abit KN8 board, I just used the Zalman passive heatsink (the taller one) and it attached really easily, is more secure and didn't have to be modded, plus everything clears it. I'm using a heatpipe heatsink on the video card and a Zalman 7700 series cooler, and everything fits nicely. That reminds me of one other thing, the Abit BIOS will let you specify the CPU fan control for speed down to 40% and temperature. I'm using that set to minimum with the Zalman instead of the included Fan Mate 2, confident that if CPU temperatures climb over 50°C the fan will automatically kick up.
 

turbotim

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I saw some have tried a pci 2.0 card? Did this fix the issues?

I only get the lockup when transferring large (2gig+) files to an external HDD using USB 2.0

I have the same Frys BF 3800+ ECS setup.


Thanks, Tim
 

Zap

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bboy

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Originally posted by: Zap
I'm borrowing this information from another thread:

Originally posted by: renethx
If you are interested, look at these threads at ABIT USA Forums:

Semi-convinced - nForce4 chipset problem - LONG

USB's on Amd X2 CPUs

nForce 4 USB issues

Yes More USB Problems

USB Issue

Just for everybody's information. (Partial) solution exists: disable onboard USB and use PCI USB controller card instead!

Sounds like it's not just ECS, but may be a chipset problem.

Isn't ABIT manufactured by ECS now?

 

turbotim

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I just went to Frys and spent another $9.99 for an PCI 2.0 card. I have transferred 50 megs to and from my external HDD with no errors. I am about 30 minutes into a DVD with no errors yet.

I use to be able to transfer a couple hundred meg before it locked up.

Thanks , Tim


 

renethx

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Originally posted by: bboy

Isn't ABIT manufactured by ECS now?

Nope.

Abit to sell all of its factories (the INQUIRER, Spetember 26, 2005)

"In fact, we began to outsource our very low end production, like MicroATX, to ECS [Elitegroup Computer Systems] two or three years ago," said the representative.

"Now, we're moving low end ATX products to other manufacturers, once we're sure about their quality. ECS is one of our production partners, but we're also looking for other qualified EMS [Electronics Manufacturing Services]."

"Currently, 80 per cent of Abit's manufacturing is handled by its affiliate, Rolly Technology in Suzhou, China."

Relavent threads:

Is it the end of "Built by Abit" motherboards?

Abit and ECS

"Yes, there were some very low end OEM boards were manufactured by ECS but they were never sold in the retail channel. Up to this point, NONE of the ABIT boards are manufactured by ECS, period."
 

yukit

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Updated the BIOS to 1.1c, I have not noticed any difference from 1.1a so far.

I have copied & compared about 30GB worth of data between the local & external USB drive without an error.
So I think I can claim this setup stable, though I have not tried the wireless USB yet (this caused my system to lock up before)

The big test is when I get my new video card, hopefully before the weekend.

BTW, turbotim, that sounds familiar. Were you associated with an Audi performance shop in the Bay area?
 

AkumaX

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Originally posted by: yukit
Updated the BIOS to 1.1c, I have not noticed any difference from 1.1a so far.

me too! ummm... i'm pretty much set with this system.. i wish i could hit 2.5ghz thougH :(

 

cclayden

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Dec 22, 2005
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Hello Everyone,

Please bear with me as I am new to this forum.

I am having the exact same issue, but I do not have the motherboard listed above.

I do in fact have an older NVIDIA TNT2 video card though.

I am running win2k3 and I recently just purchased a new USB 2.0 external hard drive with a new wd 250G hard drive.

I am using a pci USB 2.0 card and every time I plug the external hard drive in, win2k3 blue screens and starts to dump.

Did anyone have any luck with getting the pci 2.0 USB card to work without crash on win2k3?

Thanks in advance,
 

turbotim

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Originally posted by: yukit
Updated the BIOS to 1.1c, I have not noticed any difference from 1.1a so far.

I have copied & compared about 30GB worth of data between the local & external USB drive without an error.
So I think I can claim this setup stable, though I have not tried the wireless USB yet (this caused my system to lock up before)

The big test is when I get my new video card, hopefully before the weekend.

BTW, turbotim, that sounds familiar. Were you associated with an Audi performance shop in the Bay area?


No Audis, just torbo motorcycles in the Dallas area.

 

Steve

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cclayden, you should probably start your own thread. You'll probably get better help that way.
 

Zap

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Dredging up this old thread because I just found this in another, current thread:
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So this Epox 9NPA+ Ulta/USB 2.0 issue...

Looks like it isn't an ECS/Abit issue, unless ECS makes Epox also. :laugh:
 

yukit

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May be the USB issue is a general problem with modern MBs that have to provide the power to up to several devices. I guess some MBs handle this situation better than others.
A powered USB hub maybe the solution to all these agony.

I just have one USB device connected right now (Remote Wonder). My external drive is connected through firewire.

OT: I was running 3dMark05, I get about 100 pts higher on WinXP 64-bit version than WinXP Pro 32-bit version (7770 vs 7670)
 

Zap

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Alright guys, I've now experienced the USB lockup. No BSOD, straight lock. Previously I've tested extensively with a USB 2.0 flash drive. Today was the first time I've used my USB 2.0 HDD tray and twice locked up after about ½ hour or so of extensive use. *SIGH* Also had insomnia and a sinus cold but that's neither here nor there.
 

Zap

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Another update. I hooked up the USB drive to my other system which has a VIA chipset. It works, but has occasional bad lag, as in an estimated 10 minutes remaining for a file copy can jump to over 100 minutes and then after 2-3 minutes eventually drop back down to 10 minutes remaining, and sometimes clicking on a directory will cause a pause. I seem to remember this happening with the Nforce3 chipset a bit, but not as severe. Perhaps the Nforce4 chipset (or this ECS board) is just more sensitive to this bit of lag, resulting in a BSOD or hard lock. The other possibility is that my USB device is failing (either interface or HDD) since a failing HDD can cause Windows to exhibit those symptoms.

Whatever the case may be, I'm now getting my data off that drive just in case.
 

bboy

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Originally posted by: yukit
May be the USB issue is a general problem with modern MBs that have to provide the power to up to several devices. I guess some MBs handle this situation better than others.
A powered USB hub maybe the solution to all these agony.

I just have one USB device connected right now (Remote Wonder). My external drive is connected through firewire.

OT: I was running 3dMark05, I get about 100 pts higher on WinXP 64-bit version than WinXP Pro 32-bit version (7770 vs 7670)

I don't think it's power. I have tried hooking my devices into my monitor's powered USB hub.

b
 

vck6v3

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Jun 2, 2002
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I totally forgot about this thread.

Since my last post on page 1 the problem seems to be resolved. My computer never locks up except for in Counterstrike. I ruled those problems to be graphics driver related.

However I did change/add a bunch of components.
AMD64 X2 3800
ECS Nforce4-A939 1.1a BIOS
Seagate 120gb PATA
3d Fuzion 7800GT on 81.98 driver
Audigy 2

WHat I changed
**Figured out how to enable dual channel with my
2x 512 Corsair value select PC2700 @ PC3200 2.71V
** Changed stock TruePower 2.0 380W to Enermax Liberty 400W
** Installed 300GB Maxstor DiamondMax 10 drive (16mb SATA on NCQ)

I installed the dual core hotfix, but did not do the registry change.
I also installed the Nforce Hard drive Drivers, but...
when It asked me to install the IDE driver I hit no
when it asked me to install the SATA driver I hit yes
that was to get NCQ working.

So far I have no problems. been running 24/7 now for the past few weeks.
 

vck6v3

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Jun 2, 2002
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About the USB I didn't have any problems transferring several hundred megs of MP3s to my memory stick duo through a card reader plugged into one of my cases front usb ports.
I also have no problems flashing my mobile phone using the USB cable.

I just checked the ECS Site and they just updated the BIOS to 1.1d.

BIOS Name BIOS for NFORCE4-A939 (PCB:1.0)
Version 1.1d
Release Date 2005/12/26
-Support FX-60 VID for 1.35v CPU
-Support AMD FX-60 Dual Core processors
-Update BIOS for AMD new E4 CPU.
-Fix Patch PCI device just need option resource cannot work.
-Support Dual Core 3800+ CPU
-Dual Core CPU Support
-Support Rev.E3 CPU.