Economy Surges at Strongest Pace Since 1984

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What a nice headline to see. :) New jobs are sure to follow. A couple more quarters like this and well see a dramtic rise in job creation.

Economy Surges at Strongest Pace Since 1984

GDP Revised Upward to 8.2 Percent Annual Rate

By JEANNINE AVERSA, AP

WASHINGTON (Nov. 25) - The economy roared ahead at an astounding 8.2 percent annual rate in the third quarter, the fastest pace in nearly two decades and a much stronger performance than previously thought. It raises hope that a long spell of lackluster business activity is finally over.

The 8.2 percent growth rate represented the best showing since the first quarter of 1984.

The revised gross domestic product (GDP), released by the Commerce Department Tuesday, was a full percentage point higher than the 7.2 percent growth rate estimated a month ago.

The new estimate, based on more complete data, reflected stronger investment by business on new equipment and software, less severe cuts in companies' inventories and more brisk spending on residential projects.

Those were the main factors behind the upward revision to third-quarter GDP, which measures the value of all goods and services produced within the United States and is considered the broadest barometer of the country's economic health.

''I think there's a better mix of growth in this report, with capital spending being a major portion of the upward revision,'' said economist Ken Mayland, president of ClearView Economics. ''The economy is regaining the confidence of businesses and they are stepping up to the plate and spending and investing for the future.''

In other economic news, consumer confidence climbed in November to its highest level in more than a year, the Conference Board reported. The private research group's consumer confidence index rose to 91.7 in November, up from a revised 81.7 in October.

Sales of previously owned homes, meanwhile, fell by 4.9 percent in October to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 6.35 million, the National Association of Realtors said. Even with the decline, October's sales marked the third best month on record.

On Wall Street, stocks edged up. The Dow Jones industrial average gained nine points and the Nasdaq was up three points in morning trading.

In the GDP report, the 8.2 percent growth rate - more than double the 3.3 percent pace registered in the second quarter - represented the best showing since the first quarter of 1984, when the economy surged at a 9 percent pace. Economists were predicting third-quarter GDP would be revised up, with estimates ranging from a 7.3 percent pace to an 8 percent pace.

Near rock-bottom short-term interest rates and President Bush's third round of tax cuts motivated businesses and consumers to spend and invest more, helping the economy to move at such a fast clip in the third quarter, economists say. The next challenge is making sure the rebound is lasting.

The Bush administration believes the economy is poised for solid growth and stronger job creation in the months ahead. That is politically important to Bush as he heads into the 2004 campaign. Democrats, however, blame Bush for the loss of 2.3 million jobs since he took office in January 2001 and argue that the tax cuts contributed to the record 2003 budget deficit.

For out-of-work Americans, though, it probably doesn't feel like much of an economic recovery. Only recently has the battered labor market shown signs of improving. In October, the unemployment rate improved fractionally, to 6 percent, as the economy added jobs for the third straight month.

Steady improvements in job creation and in capital investment are crucial ingredients for the economic recovery to be self sustaining, economists say.

Analysts believe the economy will grow at a slower, but still healthy rate of at least 4 percent in the current October-to-December period as some of the stimulus provided by the tax cuts and a surge in mortgage refinancing fade.

Against this backdrop, Federal Reserve policy-makers are expected to hold a key short-term interest rate steady at a 45-year low of 1 percent at its next meeting on Dec. 9.

In the GDP report, consumers continued to do their part to keeping the economy going. They boosted spending in the third quarter at a 6.4 percent rate. That was up from a 3.8 pace in the second quarter, but down slightly from the 6.6 percent rate previously estimated for the third quarter.

Especially encouraging was a 18.4 percent growth rate in business investment in new equipment and software in the third quarter. That was even stronger than the 15.4 percent pace previously estimated for the quarter and up from a 8.3 percent pace in the second quarter.

Spending on residential projects grew at a whopping 22.7 percent pace in the third quarter, also better than the sizable 20.4 percent growth rate first estimated and up from a 6.6 percent pace in the second quarter.

Fewer cuts to business inventories in the third quarter resulted in a 0.16 percentage-point increase to GDP in that three-month period, compared with a 0.67 percentage-point reduction to GDP as previously estimated.

Another factor in the upward revision to GDP in the third quarter: Slightly stronger spending by state and local governments. These governmental bodies boosted spending at a 2.3 percent pace, up from a 1.3 percent growth rate previously estimated.

 

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all i did was look at that article and it almost put me to sleep. i didn't even try reading it. good news though
 

Amused

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Why was this moved here? This isn't political, and though it may be news, so is 80% of what is posted in OT.
 

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Actually according to the WSJ a lot of economists while predicting strong economic surges are not very confident about job creation.
 

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Originally posted by: squirrel dog
Those demos blow on all fronts . If I was a demo , I would switch parties.
But you're not and have no chance of wanting to be one, so they don't care what you think. :)
 

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Originally posted by: DaiShan
Actually according to the WSJ a lot of economists while predicting strong economic surges are not very confident about job creation.

There are many confident economists about job creation, specifically towards the end of the first half of 2004.
 

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: DaiShan
Actually according to the WSJ a lot of economists while predicting strong economic surges are not very confident about job creation.

There are many confident economists about job creation, specifically towards the end of the first half of 2004.

That's fine and hope that happens, in the meantime it is very "Foolish" as some have been saying to say the Economy is "Busting Out" right now at this very moment. Especially when there is still many Companies announcing very large layoffs.



 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

That's fine and hope that happens, in the meantime it is very "Foolish" as some have been saying to say the Economy is "Busting Out" right now at this very moment. Especially when there is still many Companies announcing very large layoffs.



Likewise, it is "very foolish" to presuppose that the economy is not "busting out" simply because some companies are laying off workers; what you are witnessing, sir, is pure and simple natural selection at the corporate level. In layman?s terms, merely having a ?certificate of incorporation? neither guarantees you profits, nor forces you to retain unnecessary workers.
 

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Originally posted by: squirrel dog
Those demos blow on all fronts . If I was a demo , I would switch parties.
So they can be on the winning side? Is that what you do when your team looks likeiit's going to lose? Frankly the only reason to switch parties is if you don't agree with their stance. That's why I am an Independant.

That said, I hope this good news continuiies and I give credit where credit is do..To the American Businesses and the American Workers who despite the foolishness form both Parties continues to persevere.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

That's fine and hope that happens, in the meantime it is very "Foolish" as some have been saying to say the Economy is "Busting Out" right now at this very moment. Especially when there is still many Companies announcing very large layoffs.



Likewise, it is "very foolish" to presuppose that the economy is not "busting out" simply because some companies are laying off workers; what you are witnessing, sir, is pure and simple natural selection at the corporate level. In layman?s terms, merely having a ?certificate of incorporation? neither guarantees you profits, nor forces you to retain unnecessary workers.

Oh that's right it's OK to be "Incorporated" in the U.S. but have all the jobs overseas. It's all in the name of profits.

I say it's "Unnessesary" for that Company to claim it is a U.S. Company then.

You AT Economy experts should be all for that since it would really tell the truth about Foreign trade numbers too.



 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
What does that have to do with layoffs and "busting out" economic news? :)

Please read the posts, mainly in the Depression thread. That is where the jobs losses are posted where the U.S. Companies are shipping the decent jobs overseas. Of course the AT Experts say it is only low paying jobs being shipped overseas.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
Yep Walmart is building another store nearby.

Job creation indeed.

Same here. Three Super-Walmarts being built around me. Have to have somewhere for the 20,000 houses being built that are empty. A lot of speculation and credit going on.

They're also putting either a Publix or Kroger on every major intersection corner with either CVS or Eckerd's on the other corner.




 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Ferocious
Yep Walmart is building another store nearby.

Job creation indeed.

Same here. Three Super-Walmarts being built around me. Have to have somewhere for the 20,000 houses being built that are empty. A lot of speculation and credit going on.

They're also putting either a Publix or Kroger on every major intersection corner with either CVS or Eckerd's on the other corner.

That's good news for you! You'll finally be able to get a job, so long as you don't go around installing DC clients on the cash registers.
 

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
Yep Walmart is building another store nearby.

Job creation indeed.
I wonder if these new Wal-Mart's or CVS and Eckard stores require security systems or HVAC maintenance? What about data and voice circuits from the local TELCO? Where will the building maintenance originate? What happens when the roof leaks or a window is busted out?

Do these businesses pay taxes? Yes, they may receive tax incentives from local govt., but for how long? Where will the sales taxes go? What about utilities consumption, such as water and electricity? Will the parent corporate offices of these stores magically supply all of those necessities while bypassing the local utilities?

Are the pharmacists in these CVS and Eckard drug stores also minimum wage workers? How about the managers and assistant managers of each respective business? I hate to tell y'all this, but my youngest brother, age 23, earns $39K per year with benefits from Publix in Orlando, FL as a produce manager. Yep, a crappy job indeed. He also attends college part time and his employer pays for it.

The bottom line of this inquiring little rant is that stores generate wealth not only for their parent corporations, but also for surrounding communities. Sure, minimum wage/low paid workers are in crappy jobs like cashiers, clerks or stockers that nobody wants. Turnover is high and rightfully so, but that is part of the equation. Yes, small businesses in similar industries near these corporate monsters suffer. On the flip side, managerial and professional positions related to larger stores pay more, experience less turnover and provide a reasonable level of stability for some local folks. The businesses catering to the store's requirements also generate local wealth and provide jobs. In otherwords, it isn't just minimum wage jobs that are created.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: Ferocious
Yep Walmart is building another store nearby.

Job creation indeed.
I wonder if these new Wal-Mart's or CVS and Eckard stores require security systems or HVAC maintenance? What about data and voice circuits from the local TELCO? Where will the building maintenance originate? What happens when the roof leaks or a window is busted out?

Do these businesses pay taxes? Yes, they may receive tax incentives from local govt., but for how long? Where will the sales taxes go? What about utilities consumption, such as water and electricity? Will the parent corporate offices of these stores magically supply all of those necessities while bypassing the local utilities?

Are the pharmacists in these CVS and Eckard drug stores also minimum wage workers? How about the managers and assistant managers of each respective business? I hate to tell y'all this, but my youngest brother, age 23, earns $39K per year with benefits from Publix in Orlando, FL as a produce manager. Yep, a crappy job indeed. He also attends college part time and his employer pays for it.

The bottom line of this inquiring little rant is that stores generate wealth not only for their parent corporations, but also for surrounding communities. Sure, minimum wage/low paid workers are in crappy jobs like cashiers, clerks or stockers that nobody wants. Turnover is high and rightfully so, but that is part of the equation. Yes, small businesses in similar industries near these corporate monsters suffer. On the flip side, managerial and professional positions related to larger stores pay more, experience less turnover and provide a reasonable level of stability for some local folks. The businesses catering to the store's requirements also generate local wealth and provide jobs. In otherwords, it isn't just minimum wage jobs that are created.
A Wal-Mart store manager makes well over 100K. Many of the front line supervisors make 50k+. It's hard work, it's retail, but it pays for success like any business.

Gee, those MBA and college grad cashiers and stockers must be ticking off all the high-school dropouts and GEDs by stealing their jobs. I know that's all that my local wal-mart employs.
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PS they are building a super-walmart by me also. I wish it was a Super-Target :(