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New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt -- is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.

''There is a general recognition that the supervisory system for housing-related government-sponsored enterprises neither has the tools, nor the stature, to deal effectively with the current size, complexity and importance of these enterprises,'' Treasury Secretary John W. Snow told the House Financial Services Committee in an appearance with Housing Secretary Mel Martinez, who also backed the plan.

Mr. Snow said that Congress should eliminate the power of the president to appoint directors to the companies, a sign that the administration is less concerned about the perks of patronage than it is about the potential political problems associated with any new difficulties arising at the companies.

The administration's proposal, which was endorsed in large part today by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, would not repeal the significant government subsidies granted to the two companies. And it does not alter the implicit guarantee that Washington will bail the companies out if they run into financial difficulty; that perception enables them to issue debt at significantly lower rates than their competitors. Nor would it remove the companies' exemptions from taxes and antifraud provisions of federal securities laws.

The proposal is the opening act in one of the biggest and most significant lobbying battles of the Congressional session.

After the hearing, Representative Michael G. Oxley, chairman of the Financial Services Committee, and Senator Richard Shelby, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, announced their intention to draft legislation based on the administration's proposal. Industry executives said Congress could complete action on legislation before leaving for recess in the fall.

''The current regulator does not have the tools, or the mandate, to adequately regulate these enterprises,'' Mr. Oxley said at the hearing. ''We have seen in recent months that mismanagement and questionable accounting practices went largely unnoticed by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight,'' the independent agency that now regulates the companies.

''These irregularities, which have been going on for several years, should have been detected earlier by the regulator,'' he added.

The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, which is part of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, was created by Congress in 1992 after the bailout of the savings and loan industry and concerns about regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which buy mortgages from lenders and repackage them as securities or hold them in their own portfolios.

At the time, the companies and their allies beat back efforts for tougher oversight by the Treasury Department, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation or the Federal Reserve. Supporters of the companies said efforts to regulate the lenders tightly under those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. This year, however, the chances of passing legislation to tighten the oversight are better than in the past.

Reflecting the changing political climate, both Fannie Mae and its leading rivals applauded the administration's package. The support from Fannie Mae came after a round of discussions between it and the administration and assurances from the Treasury that it would not seek to change the company's mission.

After those assurances, Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chief executive, endorsed the shift of regulatory oversight to the Treasury Department, as well as other elements of the plan.

''We welcome the administration's approach outlined today,'' Mr. Raines said. The company opposes some smaller elements of the package, like one that eliminates the authority of the president to appoint 5 of the company's 18 board members.

Company executives said that the company preferred having the president select some directors. The company is also likely to lobby against the efforts that give regulators too much authority to approve its products.

Freddie Mac, whose accounting is under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission and a United States attorney in Virginia, issued a statement calling the administration plan a ''responsible proposal.''

The stocks of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae fell while the prices of their bonds generally rose. Shares of Freddie Mac fell $2.04, or 3.7 percent, to $53.40, while Fannie Mae was down $1.62, or 2.4 percent, to $66.74. The price of a Fannie Mae bond due in March 2013 rose to 97.337 from 96.525.Its yield fell to 4.726 percent from 4.835 percent on Tuesday.

Fannie Mae, which was previously known as the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie Mac, which was the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, have been criticized by rivals for exerting too much influence over their regulators.

''The regulator has not only been outmanned, it has been outlobbied,'' said Representative Richard H. Baker, the Louisiana Republican who has proposed legislation similar to the administration proposal and who leads a subcommittee that oversees the companies. ''Being underfunded does not explain how a glowing report of Freddie's operations was released only hours before the managerial upheaval that followed. This is not world-class regulatory work.''

Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.



Say what?
 

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Even a blind squirrel can occassionally find a nut, Dave.

And you were only off by 6 years. No doubt economists will soon be knocking down your door looking for advice.

Well only few of my predictions are hanging on such as Wachovia, WaMu and Wells Fargo.

The rest have all fallen as I said they would.

I still think all three may not make it to the end of the year.

What's stopping them from complete collapse at this point?
Hi Dave. Please post your Jan 2007 predictions, with a link. Thanks!

You're in it.

I think this is a part II similar to the oil thread where it was stopped and a new one started.
Link/quote please?
Dave?

Sometimes you have to rely on the memory in your brain.

Do you have any or is it only in your computer?
You claimed you predicted this in January 2007. Are you saying you predicted this in your brain, not on this message board?

"The rest have all fallen as I said they would."

You said this to yourself?

Just want to clarify.

No no no silly - he said it to his brain. ;)
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: winnar111

9-11-2003 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...spon=&pagewanted=print

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

You conveniently left out the date.

Who was in control of congress in 2003?

The Democrats made noice but had zero control of Policy that Republicans put in place from 2001 to 2006.

Those policies that Republicans and Bush put in place is what has led to this total collapse.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: winnar111

9-11-2003 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...spon=&pagewanted=print

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

You conveniently left out the date.

Who was in control of congress in 2003?

The Democrats made noice but had zero control of Policy that Republicans put in place from 2001 to 2006.

Those policies that Republicans and Bush put in place is what has led to this total collapse.

Dems had the power to stonewall anything, just as Republicans do now.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: winnar111

9-11-2003 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...spon=&pagewanted=print

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

You conveniently left out the date.

Who was in control of congress in 2003?

The Democrats made noice but had zero control of Policy that Republicans put in place from 2001 to 2006.

Those policies that Republicans and Bush put in place is what has led to this total collapse.


Oh right, theres the double standard again! 49 Democrats in 2003 = 0 control, and 49 Republicans in 2007 = even split.


 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: winnar111

9-11-2003 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...spon=&pagewanted=print

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

You conveniently left out the date.

Who was in control of congress in 2003?

The Democrats made noice but had zero control of Policy that Republicans put in place from 2001 to 2006.

Those policies that Republicans and Bush put in place is what has led to this total collapse.

Dems had the power to stonewall anything, just as Republicans do now.



Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: winnar111

9-11-2003 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...spon=&pagewanted=print

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

You conveniently left out the date.

Who was in control of congress in 2003?

The Democrats made noice but had zero control of Policy that Republicans put in place from 2001 to 2006.

Those policies that Republicans and Bush put in place is what has led to this total collapse.

Oh right, theres the double standard again! 49 Democrats in 2003 = 0 control, and 49 Republicans in 2007 = even split.

Revisionist history much?

History will show the truth.

Republican President with Republican controlled congress that had everything rubber stamped by their President.

Sadly Republicans and their lying is what Americans want so this will continue until America no longer exists.

It is obviously clear this is what the Republican supporters in here want and proud of.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: winnar111

9-11-2003 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...spon=&pagewanted=print

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

You conveniently left out the date.

Who was in control of congress in 2003?

The Democrats made noice but had zero control of Policy that Republicans put in place from 2001 to 2006.

Those policies that Republicans and Bush put in place is what has led to this total collapse.

Dems had the power to stonewall anything, just as Republicans do now.



Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: winnar111

9-11-2003 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...spon=&pagewanted=print

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

You conveniently left out the date.

Who was in control of congress in 2003?

The Democrats made noice but had zero control of Policy that Republicans put in place from 2001 to 2006.

Those policies that Republicans and Bush put in place is what has led to this total collapse.

Oh right, theres the double standard again! 49 Democrats in 2003 = 0 control, and 49 Republicans in 2007 = even split.

Revisionist history much?

History will show the truth.

Republican President with Republican controlled congress that had everything rubber stamped by their President.

Sadly Republicans and their lying is what Americans want so this will continue until America no longer exists.

It is obviously clear this is what the Republican supporters in here want and proud of.
History never cares about who wrote the checks, just who endorsed them.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: alchemize

You said this to yourself?

Just want to clarify.

I don't only post in my threads.

Engineer bumped PJ's Epic Fail thread that I nominate for pwnage of both 2007 & 2008.

Here is a reference to my prediction of all this collapse even in this thread.

As a bonus the oil/gas run up scam I predicted is also referenced:

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: JD50

Dave, claiming that you predicted the real estate crash is ridiculous.

You just say that things are going to happen, obvious things, like the stock market going down after a long run, or the real estate market slowing down after a long run. The problem is, that you don't give any type of timeframe, and when you do, you are wrong, then change the timeframe that you originally predicted.

For example, you predicted that gas will be $5 per gallon, and most recently $6 per gallon. Neither of which have come true, but because you have revised your timeline for this so many times and you now refuse to give a timeframe for when this prediction will come true. Well duh, of course gas will eventually be $5 or even $6 per gallon, its just a matter of time.

Your "predictions" just prove that you are able to state the obvious, its just funny that you think thats such a big deal and you are so proud of that.

Not true.

You are selectively blocking out specific references I made to the Real Estate Market I brought up in the 2002-2004 timeframe.

Giving money away like candy to developers causing this massive oversupply of houses throughout the country that even you guys admit people cannot afford is not normal or "obvious".

I am not the one inside the corrupt Government or Industries such as the Banking and Mortgage like you guys are otherwise I would be dialed in even closer on the exact dates.

As an outsider looking at the forest through the trees I saw it as I see it and you hate it when I'm right calling your buddies the crooks that they are.

Speaking of crooks, what else can the Oil Industry be labeled as?

Why is it OK to admit shortcomings in your so called "maintenance" scheduling be a reward for incompetence?

What a racket.
 

alchemize

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I'm failing to see any reference to failing financial services firms :confused:

Just you trying to argue that you (of course) also predicted the real estate bubble.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: alchemize
I'm failing to see any reference to failing financial services firms :confused:

Just you trying to argue that you (of course) also predicted the real estate bubble.

OMFGBBQ You are paying attention therefore you also acknowlede selective memory.

I certainly did predict and warn about the real estate bubble looooong before it happened.

I posted a direct quote to you from what I posted in one of Prof John's thread's the epic fail thread of his from aug 2007 that said the mortgage crisis was not happening.

No I did not mention the financial firms because I know absolutely nothing about them, Warren Buffet or Lengend Killer I am not.

I did however peg Countrywide as the first to fail and it did.

I did however peg many of the banks that failed to fail as they have.

I don't know anything about Insurance firms such as AIG either so I have not mentioned anything about that monster as well.

I do not venture outside of my realm unlike most of the posters on AT.

Any particular reason you are vehemently wrong?
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: alchemize
I'm failing to see any reference to failing financial services firms :confused:

Just you trying to argue that you (of course) also predicted the real estate bubble.

OMFGBBQ You are paying attention therefore you also acknowlede selective memory.

I certainly did predict and warn about the real estate bubble looooong before it happened.

I posted a direct quote to you from what I posted in one of Prof John's thread's the epic fail thread of his from aug 2007 that said the mortgage crisis was not happening.

No I did not mention the financial firms because I know absolutely nothing about them, Warren Buffet or Lengend Killer I am not.

I did however peg Countrywide as the first to fail and it did.

I did however peg many of the banks that failed to fail as they have.

I don't know anything about Insurance firms such as AIG either so I have not mentioned anything about that monster as well.

I do not venture outside of my realm unlike most of the posters on AT.

Any particular reason you are vehemently wrong?
Since you're so clear, and search works great, go ahead and post the relevant quotes from Jan 2007. When I search that date range for Countrywide with you as the poster, I found nothing via archives. When I search current posts, I do find you claiming in 12/2007 that you indeed claimed that. Of course, that was after the takeover was public.

So - put up or shut up? Or was this you talking to your brain again. Cause you clearly stated - you had a thread that you predicted it. Here, I'll even help you:

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'm not updating the threads I originated anymore.

I had a thread where I posted back in January of this year that Countrywide and WaMu would be the first two big ones to go down in flames.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=52&threadid=1992890

I'll publicly eat crow if you post it. You can pwnage of the century me...I'm offerring myself up. So where is the post/quote?
 

dmcowen674

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Wachovia was also on my list that I said would fail in Januay 2007

Morgan Stanley was not as Like I said I don't know enough about these "investment" firms.

Both of these are done along with Goldman Sachs and WaMu.

WaMu was on my list once again not Goldman Sachs.

9-17-2008 Morgan Stanley considers Wachovia deal

Morgan Stanley (MS.N), which saw its stock pummeled Wednesday on worries it may not survive the credit crunch as a broker-dealer, is considering merging with Wachovia Corp (WB.N), or another commercial bank, according to reports.

Morgan Stanley Chief Executive John Mack received a call on Wednesday from Wachovia, the fourth-largest U.S. bank, expressing interest in a deal with the Wall Street investment bank, the New York Times reported on its website, citing sources.

Morgan Stanley, the second largest U.S. investment bank, is considering other options, as other banks also have expressed interest, the Wall Street Journal reported.

A number of analysts and investors, though, questioned the wisdom of combining two banks that have been burned by the spreading credit crisis that began with plunging mortgage prices and spread to commercial real estate.

"Two wrongs don't make a right," said James Ellman, a fund manager and president of SeaCliff Capital in San Francisco. "Hasn't Mr. Market been saying both companies possibly are going to fail? If you put them together, how does that make a better company?"

WEDNESDAY ROUT

Morgan Stanley reported stronger-than-expected results as well as a robust levels of cash and capital on Tuesday. Yet its stock dropped sharply Wednesday, suffering its worst one-day decline ever and falling to a 10-year low during the session.

Worse still, its credit default swaps traded as if it were in imminent danger of default.

Wachovia, meanwhile, has been hobbled by mortgage losses, triggered largely by its ill-timed takeover of Golden West at the peak of the housing boom in 2006. There has been speculation the North Carolina bank has been seeking a merger partner, hiring Goldman Sachs to study its options.

After the close of trading Wednesday, Morgan's market value had fallen to $24.1 billion, while Wachovia was worth $19.7 billion.

9-17-2008 Shares of Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs plunge

NEW YORK - Shares of Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley plunged on Wednesday, a sign that investors fear they can't survive in their present form as the last two major independent investment banks.

Executives of both companies insisted a day earlier, when they were reporting profits for the most recent quarter, that they do have the financial wherewithal to go it alone.

"The world should really be concerned about this because if we continue to squeeze the financial system's balance sheet and see fewer players in the business, the available credit to corporations and hedge funds will shrivel up and the cost of capital will continue to skyrocket across the board," he said.

"A lack of confidence and forced consolidation into firms that are 'too big to fail' can't be the final solution."

 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Wachovia was also on my list that I said would fail in Januay 2007

Morgan Stanley was not as Like I said I don't know enough about these "investment" firms.

Both of these are done along with Goldman Sachs and WaMu.

WaMu was on my list once again not Goldman Sachs.
Hi Dave, Please post the thread/quote from Jan 2007 where you claimed this, thanks.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Wachovia was also on my list that I said would fail in Januay 2007

Morgan Stanley was not as Like I said I don't know enough about these "investment" firms.

Both of these are done along with Goldman Sachs and WaMu.

WaMu was on my list once again not Goldman Sachs.
Hi Dave, Please post the thread/quote from Jan 2007 where you claimed this, thanks.

Sorry you will have to rely on your own memory if you have any.

 

dmcowen674

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Can anyone count how many times Bush has used this "working hard" line?

9-18-2008 Bush says he's working hard on economic turmoil

WASHINGTON - With the financial markets in turmoil, President Bush said Thursday that he shares Americans' concerns and the government will act aggressively to avert a deepening crisis.

Bush was supposed to spend the day in Alabama and Florida raising money for Republicans and talking energy policy.

But he canceled the trip to focus on what is unfolding as the worst financial meltdown since the Great Depression.

"The American people can be sure we will continue to act to strengthen and stabilize our financial markets and improve investor confidence," Bush said in two minutes of remarks delivered outside the Oval Office.

He did not specify what actions would be taken. The president was to meet with economic advisers over much of the day, and was seeing Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson at the White House later Thursday.

"Our financial markets continue to deal with serious challenges," he said. "As our recent actions demonstrate, my administration is focused on meeting these challenges."

The market conditions have put the White House into crisis mode. But Bush has behaved very differently than in previous crises ? for instance around the start of the Iraq war, of after Hurricane Katrina hit in 2005 or last month's invasion by Russia of tiny neighbor Georgia. In those cases, Bush would talk nearly every day on the issue. This week, he has been notably silent.

His remarks Thursday were his first since Monday. And he has spurned every attempt by reporters to ask questions about the developments, including again on Thursday. As he finished his very brief statement and turned to walk back into the Oval Office, a reporter asked if he believed the economy was still sound. The president kept walking.

Wednesday, the Securities and Exchange Commission tightened rules on short selling, the practice of betting that a stock will fall.

Thursday, the Federal Reserve pumped $55 million in temporary reserves into the system after coordinated action with the central banks of other nations. The idea was to flood the global markets with a big cash infusion and both moves were deisgned to prevent credit from drying up and sending the broader economy into virtual paralysis.

A private business group reported Thursday that the economy's health deteriorated for the second consecutive month in August as building permits dropped and unemployment claims rose. Oil prices are rising again as investors eye U.S. financial turmoil. Employers are cutting payrolls.
 

dmcowen674

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I hate that the media doesn't call them what they are "Illegal Immigrants".

9-18-2008 Laborers find it harder to get by in slow economy

The dawn has not yet arrived. Only the light from a gas station illuminates Victor Marquina, who walked in the darkness from his garage apartment. He is a day laborer looking for work.

Marquina sits on the curb, sipping coffee as others trickle in on a warm recent morning. They wait, talking among themselves, but there is little work to be had.

Day laborers, berry pickers, taxi drivers and service industry workers like Marquina are the underbelly of the nation's economy, the underrepresented and unwanted in American society. And now, they are hurting.

Nationwide, the economic slowdown has hit them hard ? especially Hispanics. The real estate construction deceleration has spurred the loss of about 250,000 jobs in the past few years, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.

For day laborers, just getting by has morphed into barely eating, barely surviving.

"They are the new Americans," says Megan Macaraeg, director of Middle Tennessee Jobs for Justice.

 

dmcowen674

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RTC is back:

9-18-2008 Stocks surge on report of entity for bad debt

NEW YORK ? Wall Street has ended a volatile session sharply higher after a stunning late-session turnaround that sent the Dow Jones industrials up about 400 points. The big comeback followed a report that the federal government may create an entity that will take over banks' bad debt.

The report on CNBC said Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is considering the creation of an entity like the Resolution Trust Corp. that was set up during the savings and loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Investors have been cheered by the notion of a huge federal intervention like the establishment of RTC to acquire the mortgage debt that has hobbled financial institutions and led to the intense volatility in the markets this week.

According to preliminary calculations, the Dow is up about 401 at the 11,010 level.

 
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Market up 410 today. Looks like the end of the world has been temporarily postponed.

I hope that doesn't prompt suicidal thoughts in some of our doom & gloom AT regulars.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Wachovia was also on my list that I said would fail in Januay 2007

Morgan Stanley was not as Like I said I don't know enough about these "investment" firms.

Both of these are done along with Goldman Sachs and WaMu.

WaMu was on my list once again not Goldman Sachs.
Hi Dave, Please post the thread/quote from Jan 2007 where you claimed this, thanks.

Sorry you will have to rely on your own memory if you have any.

I really don't think "fucking idiot jackass" describes quite well enough what you just made yourself look like... but it's a start.
 

theeedude

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I love how the people think we can indefinitely escape the consequences of our own stupidity and denial by even more stupidity and denial.
 
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Originally posted by: senseamp
I love how the people think we can indefinitely escape the consequences of our own stupidity and denial by even more stupidity and denial.
Escape? I haven't seen a person here claiming we can do so such a thing. Can we overcome these problems? Sure. We've been through worst in the past. This doesn't appear to be even as bad as the S&L debacle let alone others we've been through.

It's all so tiresome. People have been proclaiming for millenia that the end of days are near. It's as if there's a genetic diposition within us to have a few that must broadcast woe unto us. The internet is just a more public voice for them, so we get them in here too. The internet is the new sandwich board, with cheese and special sauce added.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
This doesn't appear to be even as bad as the S&L debacle let alone others we've been through.

CNBC guys don't necessarily agree with you. Just stated that this could make the S&L bailout look like child's play. I guess we'll see.
 

fleshconsumed

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wikipedia says S&L cost federal government 160B, if they are right, then yes, it will seem like a child's play.
 

The-Noid

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We put up 700B as far as I remember. We held some of the assets for 7 years to actually make a profit.