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Economists Say Employment Will Strengthen

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Combined with lower taxes, low inflation (current) and weaker dollar, can the US rebound into the economic superpower it once was, or are we still on couse to collapse from the deficits...deficits...deficits?
Will the US start to manufacturer more if/when the dollar breaks away from the Yuan? Will we export more to Europe/Canada/Mexico based on the weaker dollar?

On the comment that employers have squeezed all they can out of employees, I would say "NO". My company is looking to replace employees with robots in every situation that they can. They have suceeded in ways that many thought not possible just 5 years ago. I'm sure other companies are doing the same.


Economists Say Employment Will Strengthen

2 hours, 17 minutes ago Business - AP


By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer

WASHINGTON - For a while, it looked as if the conclusion to the 2004 election would prove to be a rejuvenating tonic for the nation's economy. Then, as has happened so often over the past three years, news on the jobs front fell short of expectations.


The latest disappointment came Friday with a government report that payrolls grew by just 112,000 workers in November, far below the 200,000-job gain many economists had expected. As if that wasn't enough, the government revised significantly downward the job gains for the previous two months.


It was another bump in what has been a torturoud fs road for America's labor market, which some hoped would improve when the presidential election was promptly settled. Even though the economy has been out of the recession since November 2001, the country still has not recouped all the jobs lost since March 2001, the month the downturn began.


In terms of job production, this expansion so far is the worst of all time, with far fewer job created than during the first three years after the 1990-91 recession. During the presidential race of 1992, Bill Clinton (news - web sites) used the charge of a "jobless recovery" to good effect to defeat Bush's father.


Democrats tried the same thing this year, taunting Bush with the charge that he would be the first president since Herbert Hoover to have a net loss of jobs during his first four years in office.


Bush won re-election anyway, but the Democrats' reproach still could prove true. Bush still has a net job loss since taking office of 313,000 and just two months to make it up. Many analysts believe he will escape the Hoover label, but just barely.


Economists have a variety of explanations why job growth has been so anemic. Increased global competition and a soaring trade deficit have contributed to the loss of 2.7 million manufacturing jobs since Bush took office.


Facing such competitive pressures, U.S. businesses have searched for every way possible to squeeze more output from existing workers. That has sent productivity rising but has depressed job and income growth.


"We've seen a number of lean years for workers," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com. "They are still waiting for their fair share of the economic pie, and it looks like they will have to wait a little longer."


The Bush administration, as it did during the campaign, insists that things are turning around. Since hitting rock bottom with a loss of 2.6 million jobs in August of last year, the economy has managed 15 consecutive months of job gains, totaling an increase of 2.3 million jobs through November.


But even during the latest period of job gains, the monthly increase often has proved disappointing with a strong month or two of job gains followed by a lackluster one.


When the economy created 303,000 jobs in October, a figure originally reported as a gain of 337,000 jobs, many analysts hoped that the job machine was finally kicking into higher gear.


The jump in employment was just one of a number of signs after the election that seemed to indicate the economy was gaining momentum as Americans were relieved that the 2004 elections did not turn into a repeat of 2000 when the country didn't know for more than a month who had won.


That the election passed without a terror attack, and oil prices retreated from the record $55 per barrel highs of early fall also helped provide a boost to Wall Street. The Dow Jones industrial average finished last week on a winning note, helped by a 162-point gain Tuesday, the third largest one-day jump this year.


"Clearly, uncertainties have diminished. We are beginning to see some light at the end of the tunnel," said Sung Won Sohn, chief economist at Wells Fargo in Minneapolis.


Sohn said he believed the economy would be able to create an average of 200,000 payroll jobs per month in 2005. That would compare to average monthly job creation of 185,000 this year.


Sohn and other analysts believe stronger job growth will occur as companies exhaust their ability to squeeze more work out of existing employees and finally begin hiring actively on a sustained basis. Still, analysts are not looking for the unemployment rate to move much.





David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York, predicted the jobless rate probably would be at 5.2 percent at the end of 2005, only a slight improvement over the current 5.4 percent.

As for overall economic growth, analysts are looking for the pickup in job creation to be accompanied by a slowdown. Many analysts believe the gross domestic product will increase by just 3.5 percent next year, a solid performance but down from an expected 4 percent this year.

With more people working, that still should translate into a pickup in income growth.

"The unemployment rate is below its historical average, real growth is running above its historical average, and inflation is mild," Wyss said. "Things could be a lot worse."
 
I saw this earlier in the morning, more FUD from the Econos that have been bought by the Bush Regime for the last 4 years.

The Economy is doing fine alright, for those that have been purchased by this Regime.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer

Combined ... .... rest of crap snipped for brevity

Title should read: Economists Don't Do the Hiring So What the Hell Do They Know About Employment Stregthening Or Not.

Let us know when they start forcing companies to hire. Until then, they can't really say Employment Will Strengthen because they simply are just guessing. Pft.

Kthx.
 
My company has been trying to replace abacus operators with calculators. 😀
Seriously though, just a couple years ago we had people doing tedious labor intensive tasks that took them weeks to do, that an automated tool now does in about 30 minutes. But those people have been freed up to do more creative work where a human touch is necessary. So instead of doing brain dead tedious things, they are now doing creative work where their skills add value to the design. It's the 90 10 rule. 90% of the time spent doing 10% of the work because the 90% of the work that used to take 90% of the time has been automated. So now we can take on a lot more complex projects with the same team than we could 3 years ago because of automation. It's all about value added. If you cannot add more value for the money than a robot, then you need to learn some new skills. It costs my company a lot of money to license or develop the tools that automate those tedious operations. If it was more cost effective and time to market effective to have manual labor do it, they would do it.
 
Oh, forgot, my company, a pretty good size automotive supplier (2.2BILLION in sales last year) just fired the accounts payable and the expense report department in Detroit and moved it all to Mexico. Now I understand replacing much manual labor, but accounts payable does require quite a bit of thought. Regardless, all of our purchase orders and expense reports now go to a PO Box drawer in Texas and then are transported to Mexico for processing and payment.

I'm sure other administrative positions in many companies are going the same way.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Oh, forgot, my company, a pretty good size automotive supplier (2.2BILLION in sales last year) just fired the accounts payable and the expense report department in Detroit and moved it all to Mexico. Now I understand replacing much manual labor, but accounts payable does require quite a bit of thought. Regardless, all of our purchase orders and expense reports now go to a PO Box drawer in Texas and then are transported to Mexico for processing and payment.

I'm sure other administrative positions in many companies are going the same way.

You're Company should be forced to give up it's American Incorporation Charter and be treated as the Mexican Company that it now is.


 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Engineer
Oh, forgot, my company, a pretty good size automotive supplier (2.2BILLION in sales last year) just fired the accounts payable and the expense report department in Detroit and moved it all to Mexico. Now I understand replacing much manual labor, but accounts payable does require quite a bit of thought. Regardless, all of our purchase orders and expense reports now go to a PO Box drawer in Texas and then are transported to Mexico for processing and payment.

I'm sure other administrative positions in many companies are going the same way.

You're Company should be forced to give up it's American Incorporation Charter and be treated as the Mexican Company that it now is.

It might just happen anyway. I work at a Tooling Plant. There are now two tooling plants in the US. It was announced last week that one, in Detroit, was closing and that we and a Mexican Tool Plant would be picking up the slack. Our corporate managers are also looking at our sister plants in China for cheap sources of tools (although we just built a $150,000 machine to ship to our production plant in China).

 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
So you are saying you don't have a Chinaman's chance of keeping your job? 😀

😛

As far as this thread goes, I would dare say that the automotive industry isn't going to be supplying these jobs forcasted. Pay freezes have already been anticipated for next year as Ford and GM are cutting production as well as GM closing (just announced) their Astro/Safari van factory and letting 1,100 people go (not to mention suppliers of the parts for those vans). Maybe other industries are picking up, the the automotive industry is on the way down....with no bottom in sight! 🙁

 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
You're Company should be forced to give up it's American Incorporation Charter and be treated as the Mexican Company that it now is.
That would benefit them. Why do you think that companies set up headquarters in Bermuda? Because being treated as a foreign company in the US is beneficial to them since they don't have to pay taxes that way.

 
Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
You're Company should be forced to give up it's American Incorporation Charter and be treated as the Mexican Company that it now is.
That would benefit them. Why do you think that companies set up headquarters in Bermuda? Because being treated as a foreign company in the US is beneficial to them since they don't have to pay taxes that way.

That's fine.

How many Companies can the U.S. lose before waking up and realize it's Third World Island Nation Status???
 
Topic Summary: Many think companies have squeezed all they can from current employees

damn, its about time execs realized low paid hourly wage earners were only capable of so much!
 
Originally posted by: Genesys
Topic Summary: Many think companies have squeezed all they can from current employees

damn, its about time execs realized low paid hourly wage earners were only capable of so much!

Correction - about time workers stop letting employers treat them like endentured servants.

 
All the economists in the world laid end to end wouldn't reach a conclusion. Someone else's quote, but I don't know whose.
 
What goes up must come down! Things cannot keep going up forever, it will hit the ceiling sooner or later for a good reason just like the laws of conservation and preservation. Let's start all over again, its fun fun fun!
 
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