ECC for Threadripper ? Fast ? 3466 like ?

[Markfw]

For those that have, or are going to have a threadripper, would you buy fast ECC memory if it was only a little more ?

You can also just reply with any relevant comments either way, The fastest ECC I could find was 2666.

 

[Mr Evil]

I don't have or plan to have a Threadripper, so the poll isn't applicable, but I would probably buy some for my 1800X. I currently have 2400MHz ECC RAM running at 2933, albeit at the same conservative timings as it uses at 2400.

p.s. I could have sworn there was a thread about the Level One Techs push for fast ECC RAM on here yesterday, but I can't find it now.

 

[JoeBleed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NxSZil8KS8&t=5s

Edit: info added as requested by mod

fixed link. It's Wendell from Level1techs. He's looking for the same thing. just thought it was interesting timing.

 

[Markfw]

That link does not work, probably spammed.

And you can't post just a link with no comments.

 

[JoeBleed]

fixed link. It's Wendell from Level1techs. He's looking for the same thing. just thought it was interesting timing.

Please edit that post and put some commentary about what it is like you did in this post.

We don't allow just links without some form of commentary.

Daveybrat
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[PliotronX]

Fast and ECC are just about mutually exclusive but the option would be nice.

 

[MrCoyote]

I'm not sure ECC is worth it for most people. But what is concerning is RAM compatibility. From what I'm reading, I won't be able to use just any DDR4-3200 in my ASRock X399 TaiChi. Is that true you need special DDR4 made specifically for AMD threadripper?

 

[JoeBleed]

I'm not sure ECC is worth it for most people. But what is concerning is RAM compatibility. From what I'm reading, I won't be able to use just any DDR4-3200 in my ASRock X399 TaiChi. Is that true you need special DDR4 made specifically for AMD threadripper?

If i understand correctly, it's not that you'll need special RAM, but there is a better type of ram based off of some Samsung b-die chips that offer better performance due to the way infinity fabric works and the way those RAM die packages work or are laid out. If i understand correctly.

For ECC, i'm not sure it would have a high market, but manufactures should consider it as it will help servers based off of Eypic and you generally don't buy prebuilt servers and not use ECC.

I'm interested in it as i'm wanting to build a new VM host for home either based on TR2 or Eypic/Eypic2 maybe. And for me, if i'm going to build that, i'm going to want to use ECC myself.

 

[Batboy88]

Yes you absolutely want Samsung...their kits have some Headroom and can OC....This 3200mhz Hynix kit was on sale though....But yeah I can't get it to OC at all really.....I change just about anything out of XMP with it it wigs out....

 

[Cerb]

I don't have interest in Threadripper, but the 2nd generation Zen due next year is likely what I will finally upgrade to (my stock Haswell Xeon handles everything I throw at it, but is starting to show its age in some games, now). If I can get fast ECC RAM for it, I will. If it's slow ECC vs. fast non-ECC, still, that will be a tough choice.

 

[SlowBox]

I thought ECC is only relevant on a Server chip. Xeon or whatever. Unless Im wrong. Also what desktop motherboard accepts ECC RAM. I can't think of one.

 

[MrCoyote]

I thought ECC is only relevant on a Server chip. Xeon or whatever. Unless Im wrong..

ECC is for those people that want to ensure 100% that the bits are correct. I don't think non-ecc have much issue though.

 

[rchunter]

I thought ECC is only relevant on a Server chip. Xeon or whatever. Unless Im wrong. Also what desktop motherboard accepts ECC RAM. I can't think of one.

I'm running registered ECC in my Asus X99 WS board. But yeah Intel locked it down so you have to use a xeon cpu.

 

[SlowBox]

I'm running registered ECC in my Asus X99 WS board. But yeah Intel locked it down so you have to use a xeon cpu.

No kidding. What is the WS for in the model. So its a desktop mobo and ECC works hmmm ?

 

[rchunter]

No kidding. What is the WS for in the model. So its a desktop mobo and ECC works hmmm ?

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/X99E_WSUSB_31/

 

[Organik]

IMO, it is not going to matter whether someone gets a ECC RAM or NON ECC RAM for Desktop. ECC was developed for Xeon servers not desktop computers. If I put RAM in your system and didn't tell you if it was ECC or NON ECC , could you tell the difference ? Nope, you can't so whats the point of spending more and getting 2666Mhz as max.

 

[UsandThem]

IMO, it is not going to matter whether someone gets a ECC RAM or NON ECC RAM for Desktop. ECC was developed for Xeon servers not desktop computers. If I put RAM in your system and didn't tell you if it was ECC or NON ECC , could you tell the difference ? Nope, you can't so whats the point of spending more and getting 2666Mhz as max.

You might want to read up on it before making blanket statements:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...ws/75030-ecc-memory-amds-ryzen-deep-dive.html

There are perfectly valid reasons for home-users to be using ECC; some people are running a DIY NAS, others a home lab, some dabble with scientific tasks like LAMMPS, while others just do work that is personally important, and they are all willing to spend a small premium to ensure the reliability of their data and of their results. Those who run DIY NAS software - like FreeNAS - prefer to use ECC memory since it is one element that can help ensure file integrity. Some people believe that ECC is especially important when using file systems like ZFS or btrfs that perform 'scrubbing', which is a process that reads all of the data and metadata to see if it still matches the file system checksum. If errors have been introduced, and the checksums no longer match, things can go sideways in a hurry. It is exceedingly rare though, and similar data corruption can happen on any file system.

Many people who spend all of that money building a Threadripper system, do a lot more with it than playing games and browsing the internet.

 

[Organik]

I rather spend that extra ECC money and get a 4133 Kit. ECC has special futures only for Servers, which is why so long your not getting a Xeon then just buy the normal RAM.

 

[rchunter]

Just depends on what you are doing with the machine. If you need ultimate reliability and Up-time get the ecc. Otherwise probably better just to buy the faster ram.
If they ever start making faster ecc it will be a no brainer, i'd choose fast ecc every time over not having it.
It's nice that AMD left the option open on their desktop chips. Meaning you can run it if you choose to. Intel is way more stingy in that regard, locking everything down unless you buy their server chip.

 

[MrCoyote]

Many people who spend all of that money building a Threadripper system, do a lot more with it than playing games and browsing the internet.

The motherboard manufacturers must think everyone purchasing Threadripper are garners. Because almost every MB is marketed towards gamers with "game" in the name. I wish they would realize that Threadripper is also for workstations and people wanting to use them for business uses too.

 

[dlerious]

I watched that video from Wendell. I'd love some high speed ECC, but I'm not willing to pay $30 or more per GB for it. I got 64GB (4x16) of DDR4-2400 ECC for around $550 last year.

 

[PliotronX]

I'm running registered ECC in my Asus X99 WS board. But yeah Intel locked it down so you have to use a xeon cpu.

I was under the impression too that the segmentation was strong with Intel but that is in fact only the case with i5 and i7.. I was shocked to find ECC in an i3 system and confirmed also that Pentiums support it.. I only discovered this when I tried to upgrade that system to an i5 XD

 

[Billy Tallis]

I was shocked to find ECC in an i3 system and confirmed also that Pentiums support it

That's because the Xeon E3 (now Xeon-E) line bottoms out at around i5 level. The dual-core i3s and Pentiums are essentially filling the role of a low-end Xeon E.

 

[rchunter]

I was under the impression too that the segmentation was strong with Intel but that is in fact only the case with i5 and i7.. I was shocked to find ECC in an i3 system and confirmed also that Pentiums support it.. I only discovered this when I tried to upgrade that system to an i5 XD

I wasn't aware of that. So an i3 can use it then. But not i5 and i7, interesting.

 

[Fir]

TR is HEDT. Desktop.
ECC is for servers and workstations.
If you NEED ECC you will either have a Xeon CPU or EPYC.
While it would be convenient if ECC memory worked on lower end platforms, it usually isn't the case.
And too, ECC is for applications where stability is paramount. This completely excludes any shape or form of overclocking, period.