ECA stack

[BlackTigers]

Has anyone ever tried one of these?

Ephedrine Caffeine Aspirin

I've been on it for a few days, and....wow. My energy levels went through the roof, it's amazing so far.

I take 20mg of ephedrine 2-3 times daily, with 200mg caffeine and an aspirin. The downside is that your heartrate gets weird, and I have to monitor it while doing cardio. I can't do HiiT, I don't feel safe with a 180+ HR.

I'm not a big cardio guy, but yesterday I ran 5 miles straight on a treadmill. Didn't get winded, even with my asthma. I have extremely bad asthma and the ephedrine is doing absolute wonders for me. 5 miles in less than 39 minutes (don't know the exact time) is amazing for me, never ran more than 2 straight before, in my life.

I even felt like going for a light jog last night at 11:30PM as well.

It curbs the hell out of my appetite though, I need to eat small portions fairly often in order to keep my calories in, but it works.

Give it a shot if any of you guys are cutting, it's doing pretty good so far.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Yeah, it helps a lot for appetite suppression, energy levels, etc. However, the risks are increased blood pressure, heart rate, modification of the heart's electrical activity (resulting in arrythmias, tachycardia, and palpitations), difficulty sleeping, over-excitation (which can lead to manic or hypomanic episodes depending on your susceptibility and anxiety), etc. If you think it's worth it, then go right ahead. I've never thought my heart's health or my mental health was worth losing weight a tiny bit faster. If you have your diet honed in, get enough rest, and are on a good program, the ECA stack is secondary. I feel that the risks of this secondary mechanism possibly outweigh the benefits.

 

[BlackTigers]

Yeah, it helps a lot for appetite suppression, energy levels, etc. However, the risks are increased blood pressure, heart rate, modification of the heart's electrical activity (resulting in arrythmias, tachycardia, and palpitations), difficulty sleeping, over-excitation (which can lead to manic or hypomanic episodes depending on your susceptibility and anxiety), etc. If you think it's worth it, then go right ahead. I've never thought my heart's health or my mental health was worth losing weight a tiny bit faster. If you have your diet honed in, get enough rest, and are on a good program, the ECA stack is secondary. I feel that the risks of this secondary mechanism possibly outweigh the benefits.

I know of alllll the negatives, which is why I never touched the stuff.

But to be honest, the main thing I love abotu it is what it does to my asthma. I used to need an inhaler all the time, and the medicines to control my asthma were $250 a month....yeah not happening. With the Bronkaid (ephedrine source I chose), I haven't touched an inhaler in four days...

I also have several doctor's visits scheduled to make sure my body is still healthy, I had one before I started, and one at the end of 6 weeks. No hypertension before, blood work alright, so I took that as a go-ahead for me.

The other problem was the lack of rest for me. Being in college and eating whenever I could, whatever I could, and sleeping very little...it got hard. I could never get enough sleep, no matter how much I tried. I now fall asleep like a baby, and wake up feeling energized, and I haven't felt that in awhile. My HR when I wake up is usually around 65 or so....acceptable.

We'll see what happens as the weeks progress, if I feel like it's hurting me, I can jump off of it without a problem. I'm not trying to hurt myself. (Except the damn shin splints from last night, lol)

 

[Jinru]

How much aspirin are you taking? A site I see frequently linked on other boards mention to drop the A and stick to fish oil as a means to keep blood pressure down.

http://www.hotnfit.com/ecstack.htm

 

[BlackTigers]

How much aspirin are you taking? A site I see frequently linked on other boards mention to drop the A and stick to fish oil as a means to keep blood pressure down.

http://www.hotnfit.com/ecstack.htm

That's the program I'm following.

I take the baby aspirin, but might drop it out if I need to. I take fishies anyway.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

You should save it for when you start cutting more calories from your diet. It's great as an appetitie suppressant.

 

[StageLeft]

Yeah it does work well but I love my heart too much to bother with stimulants now beyond only caffeine.

 

[BlackTigers]

You should save it for when you start cutting more calories from your diet. It's great as an appetitie suppressant.

I am cutting


Cleaned up my diet and my program. Adding in cardio several times a week now.

Hoping to get down to about 11% or so, and then I'm doing a strict diet and workout program to bulk back up, cleanly.

I should only need about a month or two to get that low, and it should hopefully be my last cut for a while.

 

[alkemyst]

GorillaJack.com and sndonline.net are good sources for true ephredine. Keep in mind almost any 'mu haung' / Ephredra Extract will not have the alkoids that keep you thermogenic for 6-8 hours. They will boost your energy a bit, but not touch metabolism.

I just ordered 1200 tabs (8mg each) and about 400 caffiene pills for about $150 shipped, a 133 day supply.

ECA works really good for me. Some caveats though. I have a resting pulse about 70 even when I am out of shape...it's now around 60ish and I have only been training since the 3rd.

I always recommend whoever is trying it to first take your waking pulse/blood pressure then take only 10mg or so at first and record those measurements again.

Repeat this at the 2nd and 3rd doses per day, no need for more. Then repeat with a full 20mg dose.

It's a great supplement for early morning lifters.

 

[Herbot]

GorillaJack.com and sndonline.net are good sources for true ephredine.

So the ephedra they sell on these sites is in fact the real deal? How does shipping to the United States work exactly?

 

[alkemyst]

it's actually true ephedrine hcl...with all the alkoids you want to have.

If you order over $95 on GorillaJack it's free shipping...they tiered it so the 1200 tabs just falls below that threshold. Their caffiene is cheap though.

 

[BlackTigers]

I'm getting my Ephedrine from Bronkaid, from Wal-Greens. It's 25mg of sulfate per pill.

The difference between sulfate and HCL is minimal - 25MG of sulfate is approximately equal to 20mg of HCL.

FWIW, my heart rate is dropping to somewhere near normal levels again, thankfully.

 

[Deeko]

Ephedrine is illegal to USAPL lifters :whiste:

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Ephedrine is illegal to USAPL lifters :whiste:

That's because they don't want every powerlifter having cerebrovascular aneurysms while performing their Valsalva's I'd hate to read what kind systolic blood pressure a powerlifter on an ECA stack could generate.

 

[alkemyst]

I'm getting my Ephedrine from Bronkaid, from Wal-Greens. It's 25mg of sulfate per pill.

The difference between sulfate and HCL is minimal - 25MG of sulfate is approximately equal to 20mg of HCL.

FWIW, my heart rate is dropping to somewhere near normal levels again, thankfully.

Bronkaid and Vasopro are reliable brands, however; sulfate forms are not FDA regulated (AFAIK, maybe it's changed now)...the HCL's are and restricted in many places.

The main problem with the sulfates are they are usually always cut with guifiasen.

 

[Herbot]

I've never done ECA but am interested in it now to quickly drop some fat (want to get down to 6-7&#37. How effective would this be compared to something like clenbuterol?

 

[alkemyst]

They are similar but many don't respond to clen or have major side affects, it's also something that has to be constantly cycled.

Some get brave and do both...I do not recommend that. Personally I wouldn't bother with anything but ECA...it works good for me.

Many that have had bad results on it were simply not using the real deal.

 

[Herbot]

Alright...clen didn't do anything for me (even with 200 mcg doses over a period of 45 days). I've basically tried everything besides ephedra, with similar results. Ordering now...

 

[BlackTigers]

Isn't clen absurdly expensive though? I seem to recall that it was when I began looking into it. Either way, I've heard the side effects of clen could be much worse than those of ephedrine and caffeine.

Speaking of side effects, there is a really good one coming from my stack - people are saying I'm happier. Haha, I have more energy and I've been in absolutely fantastic moods while on the stack, not to mention I get more done at home and concentrate more on school work. The extra energy is giving me massive dividends.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

What I meant by saving it was initially you'll be dropping weight just by dropping cals and adding some cardio. When your weight loss stalls you'll drop some more calories. Then you add in the eca to suppress your appetite since you'll be eating less food and might be a little hungry. You should also be doing some kind of refeeds during your diet.

 

[alkemyst]

ECA is much more than just appetite suppression. I don't buy into the refeed dogma.