EC Criticized for disappeared evidence during intel trial

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: drizek
Was he saying that A64 was problematic relative to Prescott? The article doesn't say exactly when this happened, but AMD was competitive with Intel in early 06, at least on the desktop.

In O6. AMD had been leading with X2. Is what he was saying is that in 06 Intel was Releasing C2D Dell new this and its performance befor 06 in the same way Apple new and switched to Intel from IBM . Apple came right in with C2Ds. So Those in the Know new befor 06 what C2D was capable of . Apple has been in on larrabee from the strart also. Witness: Apples Introducing a new stanard for gpus and cpus thay MS pcked up right away. Havok being ready for Dx11 and c++ . Intel ready and working hard with compilers and And new programming language for larrabee. Buy the way as of yet it has not been determined because of lack of info. Is Larrabee X86 or VLIW. Many are starting to believe X86 is not native but VLIW is native and 86 is is emulated. Now to me this is as I always visioned . As the Elbrus Compiler was the perfect compiler to use . Everthing intel is doing in fact reads like a very old article on the elbrus compiler if used with VLIW and lots of catch would have buried Intel with the Transmitea morhing CPU on x86. The tech intel has bought from transmitea . So basicly larrabee if VLIW is native will be what transmedia could have been. Keep in mind AMD and NV have access to transmedias tech also . But what they don't have is access to the elbrus compiler. The only usa company I am aware of with access was Sun . Not sure how much access they had. But Intel Sun already had agreements in place. Befor Intel bought Elbrus.

 

[taltamir]

ofcourse it was not likely to have swayed the decision... the people who made the decision are the same who "lost" the evidence

it could certainly sway the retrial though

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: taltamir
ofcourse it was not likely to have swayed the decision... the people who made the decision are the same who "lost" the evidence

it could certainly sway the retrial though

what "evidence"


from the WSJ

In August 2006, commission investigators interviewed the Dell executive, who had also testified about Intel in 2003 before the U.S. Federal Trade Commission. In early 2008, Intel asked for a copy of the record of the interview. (Typically, in formal interviews, minutes are taken and the interviewee is asked to acknowledge his agreement with them.)

The commission told the company that it "did not interview" the Dell executive during the meeting "and no minutes of the meeting were taken," according to the ombudsman's report.

The commission later said one investigator wrote an "aide memoire" six days later that included his impressions of the meeting, but that it was an internal document that Intel couldn't look at. The commission also argued that it had discretion to determine what should and should not be considered exculpatory evidence, and that the information provided by the Dell executive might have duplicated other material already in the case file.

The ombudsman found that the commission's discretion wasn't so broad and that some information provided by the Dell executive wasn't already in the file at the time of the meeting

Do you think the Japanese and S. Korean courts also "lost evidence" in favor of intel when they ALSO ruled that Intel engaged in unfair predatory practices?

:roll:

intel's lawyers are clutching at straws - as they are paid to do; there is no excuse for their fans

 

[Nox51]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Know I mean USA can do any thing they want . Intel is multi national. With fabs el;se wear. They can sell out to China same as AMD sold out to ARABS. But the Better deal would Be Israel buying Intel; . Than we can have a Holy War based off of Whos tech is more GOD like.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!.... oh that is so amusing. Thank you for making my day!

Now back to lurking.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: taltamir
(and warning local arabs to flee or be killed in crossfire).

Didn't they got a chance to be killed in SLI or single GPU configurations? Did they had scaling issues? Just kidding.

I had never doubt the bad practices of Intel, suddenly now lots of OEM offers AMD solutions, something that was so hard to see 4 years ago or more.

 

[Nemesis 1]

In the end of all this drama its plain as day how this whole thing is working out . I must say Intel played against its enemies better than I could possiably have dreamed . But there is a huge play in all this that all are missing .

What if this is just a play. Heres how I see this playing out. Intel NEEDS AMD.

What was it that lead ATI to go VLIW. ATI used a ring bus when Intel and them had teck agreements in place.

AMD goes after ATI rather than NV. Most strange . But AMD had reasonable explanation . At list it seems that way right now.

Now let get to good stuff . Intel/AMD trial . There isn't going to be one .

Why did AMD go with Havok . This is 1 key to solving mystery.

Why did Intel build larrabee the way they DID? What Compiler did Sun sparc use and niagra?

Why is AMD following INTELs ?

When this thing is over I see AMD settling out of court. AMD will be seen as big winner here. The prize will not be $$$$. BUT the use of the Elbrus compiler . With ATI VLIW AMD will have same capabilities as Intels Larrabbee - Minus one small factor . Native larrabee. But it will still give AMD a hugh boost.

No the more I learn about this . And see how this is playing out . I believe AMD / Intel are putting on a show. The real targets here will become very apparent soon enough.

I believe the targets here were NV/MS/IBM . I believe the Actors are Intel / AMD/ ATI/ Apple. Lets see how this plays out. Oh did I mention that both Intel and Apple took large Stakes in Imagantion . What is native on there little gpus. Tiling isn't that what larrabee uses also . There Tecture units share much also I believe . No I do believe Intel /AMD will keep the show going as long as they can ./

 

[evolucion8]

Not only VLIW and ringbus, also the x86-64 Bit extensions which belongs to AMD. Also the memory controller which is a cheap copy of the Hyper Transport design, but is a design of their own. Odd :shocked: AMD Phenom has a ressemblance of the i7 in design, just add Hyper Threading (Known as AMD's Reverse Hyper Threading loll) and we might see a nice performance boost if the Phenom 2 execution core is wide enough, :shocked:

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: evolucion8
Not only VLIW and ringbus, also the x86-64 Bit extensions which belongs to AMD. Also the memory controller which is a cheap copy of the Hyper Transport design, but is a design of their own. Odd :shocked: AMD Phenom has a ressemblance of the i7 in design, just add Hyper Threading (Known as AMD's Reverse Hyper Threading loll) and we might see a nice performance boost if the Phenom 2 execution core is wide enough, :shocked:

that is about as ignorant a post as ive ever seen lol

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well befor you toote toote the horn on AMD 64 . You do know AMD had know problem with using intels 64bit Itanic bits and piecies. You also need to see that Itanic was EPIC . I am sure ya new that . I am sure that your also aware of the fact that Epic/VLIW are very much alike. I am also sure that you are aware Arm uses VLIW. I am sure ya also know that AMD didn't invent point to point connections as you have said. Ht was developed by DEC. Ondie memory know not really AMds either.

Heres what I believe happened. When MS heard Intel wanted an EPIC OS. It scarred the king of thievies. I sure ya know about MS stealing from Apple.

I believe MS went to AMD and offerred to make a deal. They would help AMD with AMD 64and Back it . naturually AMD jumped all over it . But MS was slow in delivering 64 bit apps along with others. So AMDs 64 bit advantage turned out to be not so great. Also even tho AMDs processor was better than Intels . They couldn't compete with Intels Volumn . AMD seen this . And relized in No way could they catch up in foundries.

So intel knowing that both MS and IBM were conspiring against Intels growing Fab teck.

Intel New it was MS that approached AMD . The same as it was Intel who approached Apple.

Than stupid NV started spouting stupid things and went on the hit list. IBM is on list why. Intel needs competion AMD needs to Make $$$$$$. Intel will gladly share IBMs share with AMD. After ALL it was IBM that used Intel and MS to destroy DEC with the PC . Intel seen how IBM used AMD as second source to control intels X86. Amd is ALSO ware of IBMs true preditory practicies . They are also aware of IBM history . So trust between AMD and Intel because of X86 is greater than Trust between Intel IBM or AMd/IBm . Derik Meyers will not forget what IBM pulled off. with Dec.

So Intel has the key to the Holy grail known as EPIC/VLIW. MS / IBM/ NV . The Key is Havok software. The Lock is the Elbrus Compiler. The compute language of choice will be C++. The Native Language of Choice will be VLIW. The winners will be Intel /AMD/ Apple / Imag The BIG loser here IBM/ MS/ NV.

 

[taltamir]

ok, this thread has been a mistake, it really has been drawing them out of the woodworks... I am just gonna quietly unsubscribe (From thread, not forum) and go away now...

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: evolucion8
Not only VLIW and ringbus, also the x86-64 Bit extensions which belongs to AMD. Also the memory controller which is a cheap copy of the Hyper Transport design, but is a design of their own. Odd :shocked: AMD Phenom has a ressemblance of the i7 in design, just add Hyper Threading (Known as AMD's Reverse Hyper Threading loll) and we might see a nice performance boost if the Phenom 2 execution core is wide enough, :shocked:

Intel's bus and IMC accomplish basically the same thing as AMD's, but they are different, even from a macro view.
And Reverse Hyper Threading would not be hyper-threading, it would be the opposite. And I know what you're referring to, and it's likely to never be implemented since that research didn't pan out.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: dmens
that is about as ignorant a post as ive ever seen lol

Can't you perceive the difference between funny sarcasm and reality? Just go back to your cave.

I will also unsubscribe from this thread and fade away slowly in the brushes of Crysis Warhead with Cloak Mode activated. . . . :shocked:

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ok Ok . Taltamir And Demens I owe both you 2 fine young men apology. After reading my ramblimgs I really goofed up thread. Thats for you Talramir.

Demens Ya I didn't get evolucionB comment either. But It was aimed at me and I dragged you into it threw his sarcasim . Sorry about that .

evolution it was my ramblings that caused your BS post . And Demens to call ya on it . Relax you 2 . It was my fault for the bad words between ya. I apologize for that . But I still stick by my post. There is way more going on here than what we know . Lets see how it turns out.

But intel is really getting cocky here and I believe they really got something here with larrabee.

So you guys that want thread back . Its yours I will back out . I did get a laugh or 2 and thats good!

But the end part here isn't looking good here for the AT community and how we interact . I caused that also . Not good . So again forgive my ignorance.