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eBay problem

Muse

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I bought an item on eBay, and bought two of the same item on two separate auctions from the same buyer that ended a few hours apart one evening, two weeks ago today (March 21, 2005). I figured I should probably get and make sure I was happy with the first before bidding on the other but then just decided to chance it. The vendor has pretty good feedback, 99.3% with a score of 1626. I got both for the minimum bid of $3.50, but shipping was a little steep at $8, for a total after CA tax of 10.78 each. I sent the vendor an email to make sure she understood that I'd bid on and won two separate items and wouldn't mistakenly think the second referred to the same item. I got an immediate reply saying they would ship ASAP, and they did. When I got the items I checked them out...

EBay item LCD Digital Clock Alarm Timer Thermometer w/Hygrometer

I immediately realized that I couldn't be happy with these items. They were both the same in that the temperature reading was not only several degrees off, but the temperature reading would jump around wildly, usually by 6, sometimes 8 degrees Fahrenheit. They never showed anything like the correct temperature. I also tested the hygrometer of one of them and it was useless in that department too. As can be seen in the listing, the vendor says she will replace a defective item if returned within 5 days. I immediately packed up the items and sent them back to the return address on the packages (no return address could be found in the listings), composed and sent a letter explaining that the items were defective and that I believed the problem to be in the design of the items, not in the particular items. I included this letter with the returned items and also sent it immediately to the vendor in an email. I said I'd accept a substitute item or items of some kind, paying any adjustments. This vendor sells many different kinds of digital thermometers and many other items, some of which are of some interest to me, for instance various kinds of LED flashlights.

However, the vendor has appeared to ignore me. She didn't answer my emails, apparently didn't send me replacement items. I have heard nothing. I got her phone number through eBay and figure I'll attempt to talk to her today. I figure she should have received the returned items 6-7 days ago. I anticipate an Asian who has limited English. I figure before calling her, I'll have an idea or two of items I would take instead of what I originally ordered.

This vendor works out of a warehouse and evidently has at least two different eBay handles, so I figure I can maybe choose from both sets of vendor item lists (the other is goldenpsx), but this is a bit academic until I can communicate with the vendor, I suppose.

Where do I stand here? Thanks for your help, any information.

 

MrBond

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You didn't OK the return with the seller first? That could be a problem, even if they state they'll take defective items you should let them know you're returning something first.
 

Muse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: MrBond
You didn't OK the return with the seller first? That could be a problem, even if they state they'll take defective items you should let them know you're returning something first.

I did. I sent the vendor an email before returning the items but I figured I couldn't wait for a reply because the listings of the items (if you look, you will see) states that the buyer has 5 days in which to return the item. So, I sent the items back to beat that deadline.
 

FoBoT

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All sales are final, return is accepted on a exchange basis only, if good should be defective upon receipt, customer has up to 5 days from date of receipt for exchange of new one, item must be returned in its original and unused condition, good must be in its original box and packing.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: FoBoT
All sales are final, return is accepted on a exchange basis only, if good should be defective upon receipt, customer has up to 5 days from date of receipt for exchange of new one, item must be returned in its original and unused condition, good must be in its original box and packing.

Yeah, I read that. At the very least, then, the vendor needs to send me replacement items to own up to the letter of their policy. I haven't gotten anything. I don't think that my suggestion of working out an alternative item is too far fetched. Most reasonable people would do that. I could say I'd take a $5 LED flashlight, a $12 LED flashlight, whatever. She has dozens and dozens of different items. I'd pay the difference if it comes to more, not a problem. If the vendor is so lame they can't do that, I'd take the original items in return. They do make serviceable alarm clocks. However, I'd prefer something different.
 

FoBoT

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good luck. i treat ebay like a lottery or garage sale. i figure sometimes i will get something that works and sometimes i won't

ebay just baffles me, they are such a big company and they don't care if people (both buyers and sellers) get ripped off. it is sad
 

Muse

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Oh, another thing. The items not only don't work reasonably as a thermometer or hygrometer (although there are readings), they do not have timer/count-down/count-up functionality that is specified in the listings. I made mention of that in the letter that I included in my emails and with the returned items.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: FoBoT
good luck. i treat ebay like a lottery or garage sale. i figure sometimes i will get something that works and sometimes i won't

ebay just baffles me, they are such a big company and they don't care if people (both buyers and sellers) get ripped off. it is sad

I've had generally very good luck on eBay. If you are careful, it's a good way to deal a lot of things, buying and selling. I knew I was taking a chance with this item, especially buying two at once. I may get burned here. I've been trying not to compose negative feedback blurbs in my head - that's counter productive at this point.
 

Jzero

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You should have called BEFORE you sent them back...now you have no bargaining chips.

I can't imagine you would get much precision from a $3 instrument.
 

DannyBoy

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
good luck. i treat ebay like a lottery or garage sale. i figure sometimes i will get something that works and sometimes i won't

ebay just baffles me, they are such a big company and they don't care if people (both buyers and sellers) get ripped off. it is sad

You would be surprised how seriously they take large transactions, I bought a laptop for a friend once and there was a problem with the seller, I received a phone call within an hour of e-mailing them, albeit I threatened to contact the Financial Services Authority if they didn't do anything.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: Jzero
You should have called BEFORE you sent them back...now you have no bargaining chips.

I can't imagine you would get much precision from a $3 instrument.

The shipping/handling charge insured that they got $8+ on the deal. It's Chinese made. I've gotten a lot of Chinese goods and generally not had a problem, but this item is just terrible. Not only that, the vendor misrepresented the features. I'm sure they didn't intend to, they just didn't bother to check out their listing.

I'll try calling them and hope for the best. Before I do that, though, I'll have an idea or two from their "eBay store" as a substitute for the bad stuff.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: Jzero
You should have called BEFORE you sent them back...now you have no bargaining chips.

I can't imagine you would get much precision from a $3 instrument.
It turns out they don't answer that phone. After around 20 rings it sounded like a fax machine answered, so I faxed them the same letter (basically) that I'd sent them as an email and also included with the returned items.

I emailed tham again, this time including a couple of their alternate addresses. I found their website and entered a message there, also. I'm going to try to be patient. I figure eventually they'll want to get me off their back. I'm simply asking them for an item that totals about $17 including shipping instead of the $22 worth of merchandise I paid them for (and returned). The items I returned are in 100% like-new condition. Nobody could tell it from the "new" item. If they see it my way, they'll send me an LED flashlight (I specified the item from their stock). I think it'll work out.

As far as a $3 item acting like a precision instrument? Hell, the photo of it shows it showing temperature with one decimal point. You expect it will be within 5 degrees of the correct temperature or it's simply junk. These will show 58 F one second and a second later 65 F. That's worse than ridiculous. The technology is very simple. A tiny sensor, a little IC that converts a current into a reading. It's hard to imagine them blowing it that badly. I told them I didn't really care about the hygrometer funcitonality, but the temperature changing 5-8 degrees F every few seconds is too absurd. Also, it doesn't have the timer functionality their listing promised. What's up with that?
 

Tom

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I had a similar problem on Ebay. I bought a Lego car for $2.50, but when it arrived I discovered it's way to small for me to get in and I don't think it has a real engine.
 

five40

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That's a hell of a lot of trouble for a couple bucks. No way you'll get your money back on the shipping. So is $7 worth all the trouble? Smash it to bits. Some cheap anger managment.
 

Muse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: five40
That's a hell of a lot of trouble for a couple bucks. No way you'll get your money back on the shipping. So is $7 worth all the trouble? Smash it to bits. Some cheap anger managment.

Who are you answering here? The lego car guy? Me, I returned the items in 100% new condition. They have my money, I have nothing. I figure, if they continue to ignore me I can maybe take it to eBay. Maybe I can buy another of their items and refuse to pay for it because I've already sent them more money than the previous items and see what they do. Or, maybe more to the point, buy the same item again twice and see if they send it to me since I paid for it twice already and have nothing. I'll try to be patient. I think that's the best policy here, but if they continue to ignore me I'll be a thorn in their side until they don't.
 

crystal

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usually you don't get refund on the shipping amount, only what you pay the item. In another word, if they decide to refund you. that would be $7 for 2 items.
 

Muse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: crystal
usually you don't get refund on the shipping amount, only what you pay the item. In another word, if they decide to refund you. that would be $7 for 2 items.

Yeah, that would be cold. I didn't ask for a refund, though. I asked for working merchandise and what they'd sent me:

1. Didn't work properly

2. Didn't have all the features represented.

I said I'd be happy enough with one of their other, cheaper items, an LED flashlight. That would be in lieu of the original item, which evidently isn't up to representation. I think that's logical and proper under the circumstances.
 

Muse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: crystal
usually you don't get refund on the shipping amount, only what you pay the item. In another word, if they decide to refund you. that would be $7 for 2 items.

Well, the seller just refunded me for both items, including the shipping! They are going to get great feedback from me, in spite of the fact that they never responded to me directly. I wrote them a whole lot in emails. Well, as I said, I figured them for limited English and they may have been basically unable to respond in cogent English.

Thing is, they still haven't changed their listing for this item. It still says it has a countdown timer function and it certainly doesn't.

Link

They are probably very busy. They have a lot of irons in the fire.