ebay bans the sale of MIRT's

biffbacon

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i heard on cnn today the ebay banned the sale of MIRT's. ive searched CNN.com, but cant find the story... i saw it on the ticker rolling across the bottom of the TV screen, but want to know more about the ban....

anyone heard anything?
 

BooGiMaN

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Originally posted by: biffbacon
i heard on cnn today the ebay banned the sale of MIRT's. ive searched CNN.com, but cant find the story... i saw it on the ticker rolling across the bottom of the TV screen, but want to know more about the ban....

anyone heard anything?

whats a MIRT?
 

iwearnosox

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Ok. I can't share the memo part of it with you but here's the catalyst that set them off:


The Associated Press
Cheaper traffic-signal change devices threaten intersection chaos By Travis Reed November 5, 2003 It's every motorist's fantasy to be able to make a red traffic light turn green without so much as easing off the accelerator. That naughty dream may now be coming true, with perilous implications. The very technology that has for years allowed fire trucks, ambulances and police cars to reach emergencies faster - a remote control that changes traffic signals - is now much cheaper and potentially accessible to civilians. No bigger than a dashtop radar detector, the device is known as a mobile infrared transmitter, or MIRT, and can be had for about $300. The possibility of its proliferation is unnerving public safety and transportation officials. "It has the potential to be a huge problem," said Steve Misgen, a Minnesota Department of Transportation signal operations engineer. MIRTs are the triggers in so-called "traffic pre-emption systems," which are comprised of two parts: a receiving device mounted on a stoplight and an infrared transmitter normally placed in emergency vehicles that has a range of about 1,500 feet. The technology has been used for about three decades and is widely deployed. A U.S. Department of Transportation survey of the nation's 78 largest metropolitan areas last year found them at about 26,500 intersections across the nation. A cheaper MIRT available since January from FAC of America, which is based in Fridley, Minn., costs less than half the previous price of other devices that go from $650 to $1,000. The company's president, Tim Gow, insists he has strict safeguards against MIRTs falling into unauthorized hands and that its affordability helps public safety officials with tight budgets. "We get requests from individuals, but the answer is no," he said. "This is a lifesaving piece of equipment." So far, law enforcement agencies report no problems from the devices. But traffic engineers and some politicians are concerned, and a check of eBay found some of the cheaper devices for sale on the Internet. Last month, they caught the eye of a committee of traffic engineers from the Minnesota Department of Transportation and communities around the Twin Cities. Though many cities and states have laws against interfering with traffic lights, Misgen said the committee likely would recommend that the state legislature specifically outlaw the devices for unauthorized users. In Michigan, a state legislator has promised legislation to make the devices illegal. Gow, an electrical designer, has been in business for about 20 years. He said his company would sue any unauthorized person who uses its devices. But a handful of MIRTs were being offered for sale on eBay when The Associated Press checked Monday. And kits for building similar devices are also available online. One of the eBay sellers first indicated the device could be sold to anyone. However, in response to a follow-up query, the person said it would be sold only to authorized users. The seller declined an interview. The primary makers of traffic pre-emption systems, 3M Co. and Tomar Electronics Inc., offer encryption technology that can lock out unauthorized devices - but it is far more expensive than systems that operate in the clear. Systems that offer encryption run roughly $2,500 per unit higher than those that don't - a considerable expense for any cash-strapped municipality if it was forced to retrofit traffic signals. It's not clear just how many cities have the encryptable devices. The Institute of Transportation Engineers in Washington, D.C., said there's no way to tell, and a 3M spokeswoman wouldn't comment on how many cities bought devices before encryption was available. If transport officials became locked in a technology arms race with infrared transmitter outlaws, the costs could be high. Most major cities don't put pre-emption devices at every intersection, but there are plenty: Minneapolis, for example, has about 900 traffic lights, of which city traffic officials say about 40 percent are pre-empted. Misgen, the state engineer, said only a handful of the 640 traffic lights he oversees in the Twin Cities area are fitted with the module that allows encryption. "This might be a huge expense for cities, counties and states," he said.
 

biffbacon

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Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
Originally posted by: biffbacon
i heard on cnn today the ebay banned the sale of MIRT's. ive searched CNN.com, but cant find the story... i saw it on the ticker rolling across the bottom of the TV screen, but want to know more about the ban....

anyone heard anything?

whats a MIRT?

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As much as i want to be funny about this, i hope they keep this out of the wrong hands......
 

iwearnosox

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Originally posted by: Phocas
As much as i want to be funny about this, i hope they keep this out of the wrong hands......
I'm buying an ambulance and putting a mirt in it. :D


 
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Originally posted by: biffbacon
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
Originally posted by: biffbacon
i heard on cnn today the ebay banned the sale of MIRT's. ive searched CNN.com, but cant find the story... i saw it on the ticker rolling across the bottom of the TV screen, but want to know more about the ban....

anyone heard anything?

whats a MIRT?

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hahahahaha, their "simulation" is the stupidest thing ever.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: MrMilney
I just can't believe these things weren't already illegal for people to have.

seriously. should not be in public hands.
 

neilm

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Didn't think this was possible, isn't all traffic lights all wired and wouldn't have any affect with remotes like this? I only read the frontpage, so there is probably more about it that I dont know, so would someone like to clue me in?
 

EyeMWing

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There's a guy at my school with a MIRT in his car. He's a volunteer firefighter, though, and actually responds if he's closer than a station is (And yes, he also has a light!).

They're very dangerous - the opposing traffic isn't given the proper amount of warning before the light goes red, and can blow right through into the EV or the traffic that the EV just cleared.
 

UDT89

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Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Originally posted by: Phocas
Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Originally posted by: Phocas
As much as i want to be funny about this, i hope they keep this out of the wrong hands......
I'm buying an ambulance and putting a mirt in it. :D

:p u hoser
Get out of my way.


Thats crappy. Imagine being SWAT and having a glorified ambulance as your transport. Thats weak.
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: neilm
Didn't think this was possible, isn't all traffic lights all wired and wouldn't have any affect with remotes like this? I only read the frontpage, so there is probably more about it that I dont know, so would someone like to clue me in?

All lights are wired. However, some support a 'remote control', if you will. That's what the MIRT is.

My cousin is a volunteer firefighter... has an MIRT, warning light bar, and a siren, all in his huge Dodge Ram. People get out of the way when they see and hear him coming.
 

Tetsuo

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Originally posted by: biffbacon
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
Originally posted by: biffbacon
i heard on cnn today the ebay banned the sale of MIRT's. ive searched CNN.com, but cant find the story... i saw it on the ticker rolling across the bottom of the TV screen, but want to know more about the ban....

anyone heard anything?

whats a MIRT?

Text

Cool, you learn something new eveyday
 

hawkeye81x

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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: MrMilney
I just can't believe these things weren't already illegal for people to have.

seriously. should not be in public hands.

Good lord... I didn't think something like this existed.
Ebay better keep idiots from getting one... don't need more speed freaks on the streets.
 

Lithium381

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Originally posted by: hawkeye81x
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: MrMilney
I just can't believe these things weren't already illegal for people to have.

seriously. should not be in public hands.

Good lord... I didn't think something like this existed.
Ebay better keep idiots from getting one... don't need more speed freaks on the streets.

i knew they existed, thought they were pretty idiotproof though. to get a hold of anyways
 

neilm

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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: neilm
Didn't think this was possible, isn't all traffic lights all wired and wouldn't have any affect with remotes like this? I only read the frontpage, so there is probably more about it that I dont know, so would someone like to clue me in?

All lights are wired. However, some support a 'remote control', if you will. That's what the MIRT is.

My cousin is a volunteer firefighter... has an MIRT, warning light bar, and a siren, all in his huge Dodge Ram. People get out of the way when they see and hear him coming.

Thanks for that. Guess its their own fault for allowing such a system, cause it was only a matter of time stuff like this got out to public domain and get abused. Wonder what will happen if there are two cars using MIRT on two different sets of traffic lights, ah yea, chaos is what happens :)


AAAAH, just done 1.5hrs worth of typing on notepad and closed it by mistake without saving (reflex thing), now I have the pleasure of looking forward to a long night :(
 

GeekDrew

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They had to do something... MIRT worked for quite a while.

How else were emergency vehicles to get through? I think that MIRT was a good idea, while it lasted.