Ebay: am I in the wrong here?

[Argo]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Hammer
you're wrong.

So what am I supposed to do? Throw out $55 on something that's broken??? Wtf, yes, I'm probably wrong but I could care less he should've stated that the unit was broken and will require an anthena.

It is not broken. The antenna simply unscrews from the unit.

Ok, a hypothetical setup:

I sell you a computer. I state: "Video Card not included" and then I show a picture of a computer with a video card, playing a movie. To somebody who doesn't know computers it'd seem that the computer is in perfect working condition, yet they'll be in for a surprise when they receive it. Yes, I understand where everybody is coming from - but f&ck that, I'm not paying for a non-working unit.

 

[Beattie]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Hammer
you're wrong.

So what am I supposed to do? Throw out $55 on something that's broken??? Wtf, yes, I'm probably wrong but I could care less he should've stated that the unit was broken and will require an anthena.

The unit IS NOT BROKEN!

Read that again.

Everyone here is telling you that the antenna is detachable and for some reason you insist that it's broken. If you bought a cell phone without a charger would you say the cell phone is broken? No. Simply that it doesnt come with a charger.

 

[Trygve]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Hammer
you're wrong.

So what am I supposed to do? Throw out $55 on something that's broken??? Wtf, yes, I'm probably wrong but I could care less he should've stated that the unit was broken and will require an anthena.

What makes you think the unit is broken? Lots of people buy higher-gain antennae for these things. They're not hard (or expensive) to get.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Hammer
you're wrong.

So what am I supposed to do? Throw out $55 on something that's broken??? Wtf, yes, I'm probably wrong but I could care less he should've stated that the unit was broken and will require an anthena.

It is not broken. The antenna simply unscrews from the unit.

Ok, a hypothetical setup:

I sell you a computer. I state: "Video Card not included" and then I show a picture of a computer with a video card, playing a movie. To somebody who doesn't know computers it'd seem that the computer is in perfect working condition, yet they'll be in for a surprise when they receive it. Yes, I understand where everybody is coming from - but f&ck that, I'm not paying for a non-working unit.

Congratulations on just blacklisting yourself from bidding on a lot of people's auctions. Mine included.

 

[prvteye2003]

Originally posted by: armatron
You're in the wrong.

1) It's NOT broken. That is completely normal to attach a seperate antenna on a rooftop for building to building network access.

2) It SAID it didn't come with an antenna. You bid and won, right? It said at the bottom no antenna... right?

3) You can buy those antennae at radioshack.

exactly. You bid and won the item, even though you knew it wouldn't come with an antenna. Your assumption that it it broken just because it's missing a DETACHABLE antenna is wrong also. You deserve a negative if you don't pay for it.

 

[Beattie]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Hammer
you're wrong.

So what am I supposed to do? Throw out $55 on something that's broken??? Wtf, yes, I'm probably wrong but I could care less he should've stated that the unit was broken and will require an anthena.

It is not broken. The antenna simply unscrews from the unit.

Ok, a hypothetical setup:

I sell you a computer. I state: "Video Card not included" and then I show a picture of a computer with a video card, playing a movie. To somebody who doesn't know computers it'd seem that the computer is in perfect working condition, yet they'll be in for a surprise when they receive it. Yes, I understand where everybody is coming from - but f&ck that, I'm not paying for a non-working unit.

He used a stock photo, not an actual pic of the unit. Even in your situation here, it's the buyer's responsibility to read the auction and understand what they are getting.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Hammer
you're wrong.

So what am I supposed to do? Throw out $55 on something that's broken??? Wtf, yes, I'm probably wrong but I could care less he should've stated that the unit was broken and will require an anthena.

It is not broken. The antenna simply unscrews from the unit.

Ok, a hypothetical setup:

I sell you a computer. I state: "Video Card not included" and then I show a picture of a computer with a video card, playing a movie. To somebody who doesn't know computers it'd seem that the computer is in perfect working condition, yet they'll be in for a surprise when they receive it. Yes, I understand where everybody is coming from - but f&ck that, I'm not paying for a non-working unit.

It's official. You are a bigger moron than I originally thought.

 

[Modeps]

I think the statment that applies here is "Buyer Beware". It's your mistake mang, sorry.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Ask the seller if he has an antennae that he'd sell for $5?

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Hammer
you're wrong.

So what am I supposed to do? Throw out $55 on something that's broken??? Wtf, yes, I'm probably wrong but I could care less he should've stated that the unit was broken and will require an anthena.

It is not broken. The antenna simply unscrews from the unit.

Ok, a hypothetical setup:

I sell you a computer. I state: "Video Card not included" and then I show a picture of a computer with a video card, playing a movie. To somebody who doesn't know computers it'd seem that the computer is in perfect working condition, yet they'll be in for a surprise when they receive it. Yes, I understand where everybody is coming from - but f&ck that, I'm not paying for a non-working unit.

Congratulations on just blacklisting yourself from bidding on a lot of people's auctions. Mine included.

OMG no... Please... I beg you.... Anything but not that.... F&cktard.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Beattie

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Hammer
you're wrong.

So what am I supposed to do? Throw out $55 on something that's broken??? Wtf, yes, I'm probably wrong but I could care less he should've stated that the unit was broken and will require an anthena.

The unit IS NOT BROKEN!

Read that again.

Everyone here is telling you that the antenna is detachable and for some reason you insist that it's broken. If you bought a cell phone without a charger would you say the cell phone is broken? No. Simply that it doesnt come with a charger.

Cell phone will work without a charger. Wireless bridge won't work without the anthenna.

 

[DT4K]

Technically, he did say the antenna is not included.
But his auction is very misleading.

"Because there are no drivers to load, setup is a snap--just plug it into your device and configure the network settings through your Web browser. "

That is simply a false statement he made. Because doing that will NOT work without also buying an antenna and attaching it.

"Retails for over $85 at any given store"

That is also a completely false statement because what he is selling does NOT retail for over $85.

He also posted a picture of the unit with the antenna and did not make it clear that what was pictured was NOT the actual product you would receive.

I don't know enough about Ebay to know how they would handle this, but I certainly agree with you that he was purposely trying to trick people into thinking they were getting a complete unit.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Argo
Cell phone will work without a charger. Wireless bridge won't work without the anthenna.

That does not mean it is broken. Learn to read the auction before bidding. You fvcked up. It is as simple as that.

 

[edro]

You are definately in the wrong.

If someone is selling a car, and writes in the description that the transmission is missing, but the car works... that would be the same thing, and would be truthful.

The bridge works fine, it is just missing one of it's components.

You guys LOVE to get negs don't you...

BTW, you can get those antennas for like $2.

 

[Beattie]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Beattie

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Hammer
you're wrong.

So what am I supposed to do? Throw out $55 on something that's broken??? Wtf, yes, I'm probably wrong but I could care less he should've stated that the unit was broken and will require an anthena.

The unit IS NOT BROKEN!

Read that again.

Everyone here is telling you that the antenna is detachable and for some reason you insist that it's broken. If you bought a cell phone without a charger would you say the cell phone is broken? No. Simply that it doesnt come with a charger.

Cell phone will work without a charger. Wireless bridge won't work without the anthenna.

The bridge WILL work without the antenna. Just the signal will be weaker.

 

[dabuddha]

You're in the wrong here. He did specify that it did NOT come with an antenna. It's your fault for not reading the whole auction. I can see you're going to be added to a few people's TTA (Trader's To Avoid) list including mine.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Shanti
Technically, he did say the antenna is not included.
But his auction is very misleading.

"Because there are no drivers to load, setup is a snap--just plug it into your device and configure the network settings through your Web browser. "

That is simply a false statement he made. Because doing that will NOT work without also buying an antenna and attaching it.

"Retails for over $85 at any given store"

That is also a completely false statement because what he is selling does NOT retail for over $85.

He also posted a picture of the unit with the antenna and did not make it clear that what was pictured was NOT the actual product you would receive.

I don't know enough about Ebay to know how they would handle this, but I certainly agree with you that he was purposely trying to trick people into thinking they were getting a complete unit.

Thanks for understanding my point of view. He obviously created that auction with the sole purpose of misleading somebody. I can get a working complete unit for the same exact price on ebay, so obviously a lot of people who bit also misunderstood it, otherwise they wouldn't bid on this auction. Furthermore, notice how he never said anything when I mentioned that the unit won't work without the anthena...

 

[brunswickite]

"am I in the wrong here?"

YES

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Congratulations on just blacklisting yourself from bidding on a lot of people's auctions. Mine included.

Sorry, but I have to defend Argo here. The auction was clearly misleading. Argo should have read the fine print but in this case the seller provided a picture showing an antenna. In this case, its a small detail but what if you were selling a car and put in fine print down at the bottom "tires and rims not included" but choose to show a picture of a car w/ tires and rims. It is reasonable to assume that a well-meaning person could be confused in this sort of scenario.

Argo, I would ask the seller to work w/ you considering the misleading auction picture. Perhaps some sort of compromise is possible?

 

[Mandos]

Alot of these people are being complete d!cks about it but you're wrong man. You should have tried actually reading the description.

 

[Vic]

I disagree with the popular consensus here.

In addition to using a picture showing the antenna, the seller also included the comment:

Retails for over $85 at any given store. For more information and proof, go to: http://www.digiconcepts.com/linksys_networkwireless_05.htm

Which links to an online reseller who sells the product with antenna for $85.38

While the unit is NOT defective, an replacement antenna will cost around $12.95 plus shipping Text

In addition to representing a picture of the product that includes the antenna, the seller also represented a cost savings against a similar product that includes the antenna. A cost savings that the seller knew for fact was not accurate. In a court of law, this would be an open-and-shut of misrepresentation against the seller.
Ebay, however, does not care about the law (primarily because losses this small never get to court), which is why so many people have soured against the online auction service.

IMO, Argo, you should just avoid the hassle and potential for negative feedback and buy the product anyway, but I do think that you would have been better off buying it from a reputable vendor.


edit: For those who don't get it, pictures and graphics ARE legal representations. You can't just say, "Antenna: not included", you have to include the clause "Actual product not shown". Also, if the product is not complete, you can't say that install is a snap, and you can't price-compare to another vendor selling the complete product. All of these are misrepresentations.

 

[Jzero]

So buy some goddam PRINGLES and make a farking antenna! It's clearly stated in the auction which you acknowledged reading and understanding when you placed your bid.

Are you Ness's little brother? Geez...

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Argo
Cell phone will work without a charger. Wireless bridge won't work without the anthenna.

That does not mean it is broken. Learn to read the auction before bidding. You fvcked up. It is as simple as that.

I don't deny that. I totally f*cked up. However, I will not sit buy while that guy is laughing his a$$ off at screwing a careless bidder. Btw, I did see the "not included" part, but for some reason I thought he was talking about an external anthenna. At the last second I decided let me double check with him before sending the payment.

 

[Yossarian]

you deserve a negative for consistenly spelling it "anthena"

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Vic
I disagree with the popular consensus here.

In addition to using a picture showing the antenna, the seller also included the comment:

Retails for over $85 at any given store. For more information and proof, go to: http://www.digiconcepts.com/linksys_networkwireless_05.htm

Which links to an online reseller who sells the product with antenna for $85.38

While the unit is NOT defective, an replacement antenna will cost around $12.95 plus shipping Text

In addition to representing a picture of the product that includes the antenna, the seller also represented a cost savings against a similar product that includes the antenna. A cost savings that the seller knew for fact was not accurate. In a court of law, this would be an open-and-shut of misrepresentation against the seller.
Ebay, however, does not care about the law (primarily because losses this small never get to court), which is why so many people have soured against the online auction service.

IMO, Argo, you should just avoid the hassle and potential for negative feedback and buy the product anyway, but I do think that you would have been better off buying it from a reputable vendor.

yeap this is what i was thinking.

The picture shows it with an antenna. he links to one with an antenna.

though argo is a tard for not reading it right. But i don't think he is in the wrong.