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Maybe not if it's a Honda or something, but European cars are famous for being shitily made. While some people rant about American car reliability, recent surveys usually put Japanese cars on top, then American cars, then in a distant third is European cars. Porsche is made by Volkwagen if that gives you any indication. Volkwagen also owns Audi, and we know how shitty those are.

Actually, Porsche owns a majority share of VW.

Porsche is still made by Porsche.
 
How many things am I supposed to be fucking with? Now I need to deal with the car, the heated seat, the heat from the engine, my gloves, AND a heated steering wheel? This shit is too complicated.


Of course if you had a cloth steering wheel instead of leather, you wouldn't need it to be heated in the first place. That's something I've never understood about leather in cars. You know leather has very high heat conductivity, you know it's brutally hot when it's hot and you know it's icy cold when it's cold, but you pick it anyway then try to fix your own self inflicted problem by heating or cooling the material that has high heat conductivity. It makes absolutely no sense.
I should upstage everyone and put copper mesh on my seats. When it's hot, it should be painful to sit in the car without first running the AC for 5 minutes. That's how hardcore rich I am :colbert:

The gloves I wear for clearing off snow and driving are just your standard $1 gloves from the dollar store.
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where do you live exactly?

when its below zero even though my thickets 'driving gloves' fleece with leather on the fingers/palms the cold soaks through my hands on my plastic/rubber steering wheel.

which is all that is under the 'cloth' you speak so highly of 🙂


Does that mean Porsche has a major share of the responsibility for why VW and Audi vehicles are plagued with problems? I just don't trust Europeans with electricity.

nah its VW's QC, its been an issue for years, in fact, if you do lots of reading, they will tell you what cars to buy based on where it was assembled as problems have been linked to certain factories.

the electrics on 90+ jeeps were bad for years, but thats because the morons bought components from LUCAS...
 
where do you live exactly?
I live in Edmonton, Canada. Cold days are about -30C. Most winter days are around -10C to -20C. Right now it's -16C.

Because of the low temperatures, leather isn't very popular around here. A quick google search shows the heat conductivity of dry leather is 0.14 while the heat conductivity of cotton is only 0.03. Sitting on cold leather is harsh. Just like how sitting on hot leather makes you sweat like crazy and stick to it, sitting on cold leather will pull the heat out of your legs.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html
 
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Maybe not if it's a Honda or something, but European cars are famous for being shitily made. While some people rant about American car reliability, recent surveys usually put Japanese cars on top, then American cars, then in a distant third is European cars. Porsche is made by Volkwagen if that gives you any indication. Volkwagen also owns Audi, and we know how shitty those are.

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Easy, don't buy a Mexican made VW and you won't have any problems, thats the way it rolls with VW.

Yes I know I have a mexican built Jetta, but its been flawless so far.
 
Does that mean Porsche has a major share of the responsibility for why VW and Audi vehicles are plagued with problems? I just don't trust Europeans with electricity.

Yeah it's not like the Europeans discovered it or anything, so naturally they would be at a disadvantage...
 
Maybe not if it's a Honda or something, but European cars are famous for being shitily made. While some people rant about American car reliability, recent surveys usually put Japanese cars on top, then American cars, then in a distant third is European cars. Porsche is made by Volkwagen if that gives you any indication. Volkwagen also owns Audi, and we know how shitty those are.

VW is somewhere in the middle IIRC. They've always had electrical problems though. Chrysler consistently ranks at the bottom of the pack FWIW. Ford is near the top and GM is in the lower middle.
 
Easy, don't buy a Mexican made VW and you won't have any problems, thats the way it rolls with VW.

Yes I know I have a mexican built Jetta, but its been flawless so far.

one of the czech plants had serious issues. like, car burning to the ground issues.

wolfsburg was fine though.....
 
one of the czech plants had serious issues. like, car burning to the ground issues.

wolfsburg was fine though.....
We were going to use fuses and insulated wires but we found out we could save exactly 3 marks per car if we used wires with no insulation and filled the fuse block with solder instead of fuses. I sent the proposal to my supervisor in Munich and he was so excited about the idea that he gave me a promotion. Lately he's started calling me "das jude" which I think is German for "my friend"

:thumbsup:
 
He seemed to have a problem with the time spent engineering a way to get wires into the steering wheel... err... airbags? Stereo control buttons? Cruise control buttons? It's a solved problem.
While I agree with your conclusion, your premise is faulty. Everything you mentioned requires very low current as it is just control circuitry. A resistive heat element requires orders of magnitude more current, meaning that a good amount more engineering has to go into the slip rings and such.

You all do know this was from 2006 right?
When do written words and ideas expire? Do they stay fresh longer if I keep them in the fridge?
 
While I agree with your conclusion, your premise is faulty. Everything you mentioned requires very low current as it is just control circuitry. A resistive heat element requires orders of magnitude more current, meaning that a good amount more engineering has to go into the slip rings and such.

Point taken, though there are plenty of high-current slip ring connections available OTS. It is still a solved problem. Heck, my vacuum cleaner has rotating contacts good for 7A@120VAC. If a $200 vacuum can do it, so can a car.
 
Having a heated steering wheel would suck. After a couple minutes of driving I usually take my gloves off because it's getting too hot (wear gloves while clearing snow off the windows with a brush). If the wheel itself was hot, that would just piss me off.
They don't really get that hot.
 
I've had a heated steering wheel on a couple of BMW dealer loaners and it was nice if not life-changing (and I live in a place where bitter cold is relatively common). I could take it or leave it.
 
While I agree with your conclusion, your premise is faulty. Everything you mentioned requires very low current as it is just control circuitry. A resistive heat element requires orders of magnitude more current, meaning that a good amount more engineering has to go into the slip rings and such.
No need for slip rings. The wheel has a fixed angular range of motion, simply design a harness that can withstand a few turns.
 
What I would love to see is more cars that have heated back seats and ventilation for the back seats the way minivans do.

I was in the back seat of my friend's jeep the other day. Oh god did that suck. It's -20 and there's no vents running to the back seats. Absolutely freezing cold back there.
 
yuck

i know mine doesnt, but its a 93 jeep

my 08 saturn astra has vents under the front seats to dump ac or heat into the rear footwell
 
Having a heated steering wheel would suck. After a couple minutes of driving I usually take my gloves off because it's getting too hot (wear gloves while clearing snow off the windows with a brush). If the wheel itself was hot, that would just piss me off.

I think heated in this instance means not stone fucking cold.
 
I think heated in this instance means not stone fucking cold.

Yep. If you can't appreciated heated 'anything that you touch in a car', move farther north and you will. I don't drive with heavy gloves...no way would I turn down a heated steering wheel. If you don't want it on, turn it off. Switches aren't complicated.
 
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