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Earnings Show Recession May Be 'Fast Approaching'

dmcowen674

No Lifer
7-23-2012

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/earnings-show-recession-may-fast-171545694.html

Earnings Show Recession May Be 'Fast Approaching'



While this quarter's earnings reports have crossed a substantially lowered profit bar, future expectations through the year indicate a recession could be on the way.


Estimates for the third and fourth quarters have been dropped to levels not seen since the days of the 2008 financial crisis, below even the muted 2 percent expected level of inflation.
 
lol @ thinking we were "rebounding" ever. market manipulation and artificial adjustments to create a mirage in what has been turned into a wasteland.
 
Good thing we spent trillions just to come full circle.

You can only mask the economic depression for so long. Eventually you run out of other people's money. Oh, right... the Federal Reserve. Now its their turn.

Viva la QE3!

You always wanted a million dollar house.
 
Of course the US got out of recession. There is a technical definition for being in and not being in one and the US left it.

Practically speaking I have said for years I don't think there has been actual growth (which in theory the recession indicators measure but in reality do not since deficit spending can prop them up without its debt pulling them down); the country has only left the recession through vast deficit spending. Vast amounts of "growth" in the past decade and more have been not true growth but deficit spending to fill the gaps.
 
Vast amounts of "growth" in the past decade and more have been not true growth but deficit spending to fill the gaps.

Yep, growth by smoke and mirrors. Deficit spending can mask a lot of structural problems for a finite amount of time. This really isn't anything recent either, these problems are decades in the mix, though the current set of idiots in charge are making things worse.
 
Not surprising. This is what happens when the wealthy and the corporations suck all the money out of the economy, aided and abetted by their cronies in the House and Senate.
 
7-23-2012

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/earnings-show-recession-may-fast-171545694.html

Earnings Show Recession May Be 'Fast Approaching'



While this quarter's earnings reports have crossed a substantially lowered profit bar, future expectations through the year indicate a recession could be on the way.


Estimates for the third and fourth quarters have been dropped to levels not seen since the days of the 2008 financial crisis, below even the muted 2 percent expected level of inflation.

Obama's plan is working.
 
Not surprising. This is what happens when the wealthy and the corporations suck all the money out of the economy, aided and abetted by their cronies in the House and Senate.

Exactly. That is why I am voting for the other team this time (Dems). They are just as culpible but at least they will not pretend like the private sector that put us in this mess is going to magically pull us out of it.
 
Well considering the housing market still has somewhat inflated prices even after the huge dump in 07-08 it doesn't take a genius to figure out market corrections still need to happen.
 
If only our government had avoided the Euro crysis.

THis is why I only trust the free market. It can accurately predict and protect us from things like the Housing Bust(tm) and economic troubles in faraway lands.
 
Well considering the housing market still has somewhat inflated prices even after the huge dump in 07-08 it doesn't take a genius to figure out market corrections still need to happen.

Of course it's still inflated, you can thank the politicians for passing a bailout we all asked them not to for that one.

If only our government had avoided the Euro crysis.

THis is why I only trust the free market. It can accurately predict and protect us from things like the Housing Bust(tm) and economic troubles in faraway lands.

Yeah, right, ok. Because that worked so well to protect us in '08.
 
"But there are a lot of people going around saying we're in a recession already, and some of the data from the second quarter looks a little softer than I'd certainly like to see, but I think there are a lot of odd things happening. I think, for example, Microsoft's got a new operating system coming out, so people are saying don't buy computers, because the new operating system is coming out, so that slowed that market. We've got a little bit of a saturation issue in digital TVs right now that's certainly beginning to affect some of our imports on that side of the house. We've got some odd things happening with gasoline prices that makes consumption look just a little bit lower than it is, and we've even got helpful things like a lot of major drugs going into generic form, which dramatically cuts the prices and the spending on drugs. And all those things are coming together to make a lot of the economic numbers look a little weak.

Certainly, consumers aren't spending those savings. I don't want to say the consumer is booming or going crazy, but on the other hand, he saved some money recently in the last three months, and he isn't spending that money just yet, but there are certainly a lot of positive signs. And as weak as some people think the economy is, I ask you this question. I asked you these common sense questions. Let's put the data aside and just ask, would housing sales be at the best levels of the recovery? Would auto sales be almost in kind of booming type of territory? Would consumers be taking out more loans in a world where they thought things were falling apart? I think that the fundamental answer is no. Maybe because of seasonal factors, maybe because of these special things that I'm talking about, things look a little weak today, and I think they may [look weak] for another month or two, but I think overall my 2% growth rate for the full year remains very much intact for the U.S. economy.

I think certainly one of the things that's got people concerned is exports. Exports have gone up as a percentage of the U.S. economy. They're now about 14% of the economy. Back in the '60s, '70s it was more like 5%, 6%, 7%. So we've certainly become more dependent on exports, and exports were probably one of the fastest things to recover in this recovery, but remember they also got killed because there were five or six months where we literally couldn't ship anything overseas because we couldn't get letters of credit for banks. And so a part of it was just a bounce. We're not very much further ahead in exports than we were to begin with. So exports were important, but are becoming less and less important all the time in terms of our growth rate.

If you look at the next slide, I have also lined up the various world economies. People say, well, Europe is falling apart, what does it mean? Well, Europe represents about 3% of the U.S. GDP, our broadest measure of economic activity, 3%. A lot of that is agricultural products, a lot of it is Boeing aircraft that are under long-term contract. They are things that aren't going to go away. So even if Europe was to go into a really bad spell, I doubt that Europe would fall much below 2.4%-2.5% of the U.S. economy. So I'm not terribly worried about Europe from an economic effect.

Now whether the banks fail and cause something to happen to our banking system over here is an entirely different question. There is a 10% to 15% probability that it does cause that type of banking situation. It's something that certainly should be on everyone's radar, but in terms of economic effects, I think it's relatively minimal.

Europe is also important to a lot of S&P 500 companies, and it affects their earnings, but it doesn't so much affect U.S. employment, because a lot of the things that multinational companies sell in Europe are made in Europe or made in the Far East, but certainly not made in the United States. That's why, for the last three years, earnings of corporations have been booming at the same time that employment in the United States has barely budged. Now, as we go in reverse, and Europe slows and earnings slow, it doesn't necessarily mean that U.S. employment is going to get any worse, because none of those jobs were here to start with.

And also, just on the bottom of the slide, I know that everybody is mainly concerned about Europe, but China is even a smaller percentage of our economy. They are about 1% of our economy, and most of that is actually soybeans.

And people say, oh the slowing, it's going to hit us in terms of exports! And it's slowed. I said, it was the very best help to the economic recovery in the first few months, but every year the effect has become a little less and a little less.

You can see in this slide, in 2010 overall export growth was about 21% across all economies. Then in 2011 that fell to the 15% range, and now for the first five months of this year (we haven't got the June data yet), we are down at around 7%. So, we've already seen some of the slowing. It isn't like this remarkable thing is going to come out of the sky, and our 50% growth ends tomorrow. This has been an ongoing trend, like you get in every recovery; you get the big boom at the beginning, and then you kind of flatten out, and that's just what's happening this time around.

So, now it's the consumer that's really the most important part of the recovery, as they usually are, because we are about 70% dependent upon the consumer, which is the largest of any other major economy. The consumer is important. I always say don't watch the manufacturers--that's the wrong thing to be watching most of the time because manufacturers will manufacture if the consumers have the demand. Manufacturers don't make goods for the fun of it, or just to stack an inventory or to have it around because they think it might sell next week. They usually make it because they've got an order in hand, and if the consumer is strong, manufacturers are going to build, they are going to hire more people in their factories, they are going to build more capital goods for their factories so they can make more. That higher employment and those higher orders of capital goods mean more incomes in consumers' pockets, which means more spending, and you get this wonderful virtuous cycle. And that's the thing I really think is really important to keep in mind in the economy. Ultimately, the consumer is the center of that stage."

http://www.morningstar.com/Cover/videoCenter.aspx?lineup=PREMIUMVIDEO&id=560675&referid=a3497


Corporate profits are at a historic peak, I believe, and they have squeezed everything they can from cost-cutting, productivity gains from technology, and refinancing debt. They need increased consumer demand (revenue growth) to push total profits (not necessarily profit margins) to new highs. So, a Growth in Earnings recession, quite possibly, an actual sustained economic slowdown / recession, hard to tell yet (seems like we need a few more months of data).

Personally, I would look for signs that corporations are really downsizing their operations, actually laying off people (not just pausing on new hiring or letting some temporary workers go), as a clue that possible real sustained economic downturn might be upon us (e. g. those still with jobs, who currently are comfortable that they won't lose their job and are spending, suddenly really start pulling back when they see co-workers losing their job and think we are in for a repeat of 2008).
 
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"Revenue estimates for the back half of 2012 have been slowly working their way lower this year," Colas said. "This trend, however, has accelerated to the downside over the past 30 days and we are fast approaching levels where these estimates are unambiguously pointing to the risk of a U.S./global recession later into 2012 and 2013."


"There have been a lot of economists and analysts who have had their blinders on for quite some time," said Brian LaRose, an analyst at United-ICAP in Jersey City, N.J. "We're not bullish on the recovery here in the U.S. We think that there are far greater problems ahead that have yet to be addressed."

Operation Twist..

The only reason he, and other strategists, have devised for the climb in equities has been hope for more Federal Reserve intervention. The Fed has carried out two asset buying programs called quantitative easing, as well as a third program that entailed buying and selling debt in equal amounts known as Operation Twist, which it voted to extend last month.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48259674
 
Free market capitalism is a force so powerful that democracy orbits around it like a satellite. The free market can help decide things like whether or not a company should be trusted, or whether or not one of the liberals' ridiculous theories is true.
 
Free market capitalism is a force so powerful that democracy orbits around it like a satellite. The free market can help decide things like whether or not a company should be trusted, or whether or not one of the liberals' ridiculous theories is true.


What are you trying to say?
 
Free market capitalism is a force so powerful that democracy orbits around it like a satellite. The free market can help decide things like whether or not a company should be trusted, or whether or not one of the liberals' ridiculous theories is true.

lmao

You're on a roll today.
 
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