E92 M3...disappointed.

[alkemyst]

You are all over the place. I think no matter which car you get, you will be thinking about something else.

WTF are you talking about, did I hurt your little M3 feelings?

The M3, S5, and C63 are right up each other's alleys. The SRT8 gets thrown into that group a lot.

What's been the 'all over choice', how I could stray from BMW?

 

[PricklyPete]

WTF are you talking about, did I hurt your little M3 feelings?

The M3, S5, and C63 are right up each other's alleys. The SRT8 gets thrown into that group a lot.

What's been the 'all over choice', how I could stray from BMW?

I find your comments toward KentState particularly humorous being that he owns a Corvette and a CTS-V. Yeah...he has M3 running through his blood.

 

[PricklyPete]

Definitely check your toe-out. I had the same sort of sensation (steering being twitchy) and realigning the car fixed 95% of it.

Agreed, something is fishy. I would never say the steering on my M3 is "overboosted". I would definitely get that check Don V.

 

[PricklyPete]

I didn't take it as an attack and wasn't trying to respond in a snarky way. I just musing based on personal experience, many people I know who have been into cars for a long while end up going from I-4, to turbo-4, to V-8, myself included and cite torque as a major factor. I wasn't trying to infer that high-revving engines were for teenagers but I can see how it could have been interpreted that way.

I don't mind shifting but I never had to shift from 5-->4 to pass real quicklike in my WRX, in fact it was better to stay in 5th for the better TQ. My C55 is an automatic and yes I actually miss real shifting........

:thumbsup: personal preference ftw. And I agree that most people are moving toward large torque and not shifting.

To be honest I love lots of torque and I also love cars that you can really rung out. I especially enjoy shifting my own gears.

The new Mustang and the the 1 M Coupe intrigue me both A LOT.

 

[SSSnail]

In general I find the E90/92 M3 less appealing than, say, the E46, but I don't agree with SpatiallyAware's condemnation of the whole E90 platform. I have an E46 M3 and an E90 330i Sport, and in some ways I actually prefer the handling of my E90. The turn-in is incredibly quick and the handling feels great from parking-lot speeds to racetrack speeds (and I have driven it 120+ MPH through sweeping racetrack bends). The steering might be a little artificially heavy, but part of me likes that better than the slightly overboosted steering of my M3. They're both awesome cars but it's amazing to me how much the E90 has to offer as an overall package.

Maybe you're just used to driving your E90, give the E46 some times. A lot of people actually say the opposite what you said, where the E46 M3 would give a more connected steering and the E90/92 more floaty and artificial.

Also, I forgot how many miles your M3 currently has on it, but maybe time due for the FCAB to be changed.

 

[zerocool84]

Audi makes some of the sexiest cars on the road.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Maybe you're just used to driving your E90, give the E46 some times. A lot of people actually say the opposite what you said, where the E46 M3 would give a more connected steering and the E90/92 more floaty and artificial.

Also, I forgot how many miles your M3 currently has on it, but maybe time due for the FCAB to be changed.

My M3 only has 35,000 miles - I wouldn't think the FCABs are going. It doesn't feel twitchy at all - the steering is just lighter than I might have expected. The steering on my E90 is pointier and the steering effort is much heavier, to the point that I initially found it slightly tricky turning the wheel with one hand while parallel parking. I have an E90 M3 steering wheel on the car and it's relatively small and very thick, which adds to the feeling of effort. I wouldn't say the E90 is more precise, but it's so much pointier that it FEELS more accurate to me. I find it pretty much incomprehensible how anyone could call the steering on an E90 Sport "floaty" - it turns in exceptionally fast and the steering is as tight as anything this side of a pure sports car.

 

[alkemyst]

I find your comments toward KentState particularly humorous being that he owns a Corvette and a CTS-V. Yeah...he has M3 running through his blood.

Then maybe you know what his fucking problem is.

 

[alkemyst]

:thumbsup: personal preference ftw. And I agree that most people are moving toward large torque and not shifting.

To be honest I love lots of torque and I also love cars that you can really rung out. I especially enjoy shifting my own gears.

The new Mustang and the the 1 M Coupe intrigue me both A LOT.

In reality if you can 'wind it out' you'd be shifting less.

 

[JackBurton]

Then maybe you know what his fucking problem is.

Dude, take it easy. It didn't sound like he was attacking you directly. I agree with him, an M3, S5 and C63 don't normally go with a Charger SRT8. The SRT8 is like the ugly duckling of the group and people don't normally cross shop an M3 and a Charger. They are pretty much two different types of cars. Just saying...

 

[Throckmorton]

Buy a Charger

 

[EightySix Four]

WTF are you talking about, did I hurt your little M3 feelings?

The M3, S5, and C63 are right up each other's alleys. The SRT8 gets thrown into that group a lot.

What's been the 'all over choice', how I could stray from BMW?

After recently driving all of them, I disagree entirely. While they are all in the same "class," you immediately know which one is going to suit you. The personalities of each of those cars are vastly different.

 

[SSSnail]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlRv2KZfjpQ (M3 Sedan vs IS-F)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaZExdTHHjY (S5 is not even in the same stratosphere)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq9ploRatIM (M3 Coupe vs. C63)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-HSS0cKD_w (S5 vs 335i)

 

[fstime]

The new S4 is beautiful inside and out.

The B8 platform is plenty roomy in the back seats, and the engine is behind the front axle for once I believe (should check on this but i'm pretty certain) and one of the best AWD systems in the industry.

It's power is definetly underated and a chip brings similar results to chipping a 335i.

Great fuel miliage too.

How about it OP?

The S5 I believe still uses the 4.2l V8 which is a huge guzzler, 11-12mpg in the city for the B6 S4 I drove. They said they were going to put the S4's 3.0l supercharged engine in it but I am not sure if they have done so.

If so, I would go that route + a tune for a solid 400whp.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Only a fanboi would say the 135 has a roomy backseat.

Weren't you just posting about people being agressive. Calm down, boy. Stop lashing out. :hmm:

You're like Casteil 2. All talk, no buying.

 

[alkemyst]

Dude, take it easy. It didn't sound like he was attacking you directly. I agree with him, an M3, S5 and C63 don't normally go with a Charger SRT8. The SRT8 is like the ugly duckling of the group and people don't normally cross shop an M3 and a Charger. They are pretty much two different types of cars. Just saying...

Actually the Charger/Challenger are appearing in these decisions more and more.

 

[alkemyst]

Weren't you just posting about people being agressive. Calm down, boy. Stop lashing out. :hmm:

You're like Casteil 2. All talk, no buying.

lolwut? Yeah everything online is make-believe.

 

[alkemyst]

The new S4 is beautiful inside and out.

The B8 platform is plenty roomy in the back seats, and the engine is behind the front axle for once I believe (should check on this but i'm pretty certain) and one of the best AWD systems in the industry.

It's power is definetly underated and a chip brings similar results to chipping a 335i.

Great fuel miliage too.

How about it OP?

The S5 I believe still uses the 4.2l V8 which is a huge guzzler, 11-12mpg in the city for the B6 S4 I drove. They said they were going to put the S4's 3.0l supercharged engine in it but I am not sure if they have done so.

If so, I would go that route + a tune for a solid 400whp.

I don't like the looks so much of the S4...4 doors I really don't like...the Charger has been the first one I cared for.

I am really debating the S5...I just don't know if I am crazy about spending $45k for a used car.

It meets a lot of my criteria, I need to find one to drive locally. It'd definitely meet the "cars you don't see often" criteria I like.

Even the E92 M3's are all over the place here. S. Florida is like the Corvette and BMW mecca. It does make buying a used one easy as many just want to unload and get something new.

 

[alkemyst]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlRv2KZfjpQ (M3 Sedan vs IS-F)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaZExdTHHjY (S5 is not even in the same stratosphere)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq9ploRatIM (M3 Coupe vs. C63)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-HSS0cKD_w (S5 vs 335i)

That RS4 vs C63 vs M3 is a popular one. It's a difference of 9 secs on an almost 3 min track.

No one is going to deny the M3 is mostly setup of such an undertaking...there is more to a car than just that though.

 

[PricklyPete]

I don't like the looks so much of the S4...4 doors I really don't like...the Charger has been the first one I cared for.

I am really debating the S5...I just don't know if I am crazy about spending $45k for a used car.

It meets a lot of my criteria, I need to find one to drive locally. It'd definitely meet the "cars you don't see often" criteria I like.

Even the E92 M3's are all over the place here. S. Florida is like the Corvette and BMW mecca. It does make buying a used one easy as many just want to unload and get something new.

I love the S5 and think it is beautiful even if I don't think it is as good a car as the M3 or the 335i. That being said, I see them all over the place here in S. Florida. Maybe not as much as 335i...but just as much, if not more than M3's.

Still, for a GT with a great little engine, the S5 is wonderful. Plus, Audi interiors are much nicer than BMW interiors in my opinion...so for a commuter you're going to put a lot of miles on, I'd go Audi. But then again, if I was driving a lot of miles, I'd probably reconsider getting a gas guzzler to begin with.

 

[alkemyst]

You may have noticed the S5 more, but there is no way they are even close to being in the same numbers as even the M3 down here...as a matter a fact just trying to find one to test drive is a bitch unless I go bug a new car dealer when I have no intention of paying $60k for a car.

I don't really care about a $400 or so gas bill a month...I rather drive the car I like than a commuter I spend most of my time behind the wheel in.

Same way I modify prior to my warranty running out. My 1997 GTI VR6 went straight to BSI Racing the week I bought it new.

 

[KentState]

WTF are you talking about, did I hurt your little M3 feelings?

The M3, S5, and C63 are right up each other's alleys. The SRT8 gets thrown into that group a lot.

What's been the 'all over choice', how I could stray from BMW?

I'm talking about you go back and forth on which car you want. This wasn't an attack on you at all. Sometimes you snap on people a little to quickly when they do not have any ill intent towards you.

 

[ponyo]

Posting in Castiel thread.:hmm:

 

[KentState]

After recently driving all of them, I disagree entirely. While they are all in the same "class," you immediately know which one is going to suit you. The personalities of each of those cars are vastly different.

I agree with that statement 100%. I will also through in that also compared the S4 and the V which I eventually purchased. The biggest deciding factor for me was, do I get the S4 and have decent fuel economy or go with the V and pay the fuel mileage price. The M3, S5 and C63 fell somewhere in the middle offering both worse mileage than the S4 and less performance than the V. If Audi could figure out how to make another 100HP factory out of the S4 engine, put it in the S5 and not charge $100k, I would be owning that right now instead.

 

[PricklyPete]

You may have noticed the S5 more, but there is no way they are even close to being in the same numbers as even the M3 down here...as a matter a fact just trying to find one to test drive is a bitch unless I go bug a new car dealer when I have no intention of paying $60k for a car.

I don't really care about a $400 or so gas bill a month...I rather drive the car I like than a commuter I spend most of my time behind the wheel in.

Same way I modify prior to my warranty running out. My 1997 GTI VR6 went straight to BSI Racing the week I bought it new.

To be honest, I'm was lumping all A5 and S5's together...but honestly looks wise their is very little separating them as a lot of the A5's around here have the S5 wheels...so really you only have the Grill making a difference looks wise...and that is not much. My point was just that the A5/S5 shape is far from uncommon here in S. Florida. If you like the car...I just don't understand why it matters that there are a lot of them on the road...but if that is your criteria which pushes you to get a SRT8...go for it.

As for your $400 gas bill...not sure if that makes sense either. You care about your monthly car payment...but gas bill be damned? If the actual monthly payment matters that much, then the gas bill should have a related importance.