e6600 + Crucial 10th Anniversary memory

eojinlim

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Recently, I've been intrigued by the possible combinations one can go with the new Core 2 Processors that have been out since the late summer. However, what I have been trying to figure out is whether going for an e6600 with a higher multiplier enables one to buy cheaper ram and stil be capable of a relatively decent overclock of, say 3.6ghz.

However, when one is to buy an e6400, it is almost certainly necessary that you have to buy D9 Memory to ensure that you can achieve the 3.6ghz+ overclock meaning your memory has to be capable of achieving ddr2 800 with ease and possibly more for an even better overclock.

What I am asking everyone is whether ditching the high quality memory such as the Crucial 10th Anniversary in favour of an Elpida Chip based memory is the way to go when buying an e6600 instead of the e6400.

It appears to me that buying high quality memory is a bit of an overkill if you buy the e6600 because there is no way you can overclock your system above 4.0ghz without the risk of endangering your system via high voltages and barely adequate cooling.

Another question I would like to ask is whether anyone has used high quality memory such as the G.skill HZ, Ballistix, etc in conjunction with an e6600 and whether they were able to get massive overclocks strictly because of the quality of their memory.

Basically if you had high quality D9 memory that were rated as ddr2 800 (low timings, ie/ 4-4-4-12) would you be capable of running 9x450 = 4.05ghz on superior air cooling alone?

If memory was rated to be run at ddr2 800 and you put that on a 1:1 divider, would it be wise to go for the e6400 (450x8) and use that high quality memory to its full potential (or at least its rated potential)?
 

n7

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3.6 GHz is pushing your luck for any E6600.

It's entirely possible, but it's definitely on the higher side of what i'd expect.

You could likely get away with cheaper RAM when OCing an E6600, & even somewhat so with the E6400.

The benefit of the better stuff for both those CPUs though is that you can then run 4:5 :)

You make a good point though.
 

eojinlim

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I remember reading the benefits of 4:5 in this forum but are they truly tangible results that reflect in real world performance?
 

n7

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Since when has overclocking been about tangible real world performance? ;)

It's not like you can tell the difference between 3.2 GHz or 3.6 GHz (w/o measuring), yet we still strive for that ;)
 

eojinlim

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haha ya that's definitely true but it's interesting because many people are looking for the highest quality memory without realizing there isn't much of a real world difference even when you overclock. Although I have to admit, overclocking an e6300 from stock to the 3.4ghz region is definitely noteworthy and very noticeable!

Aiy ya yai, do you mind pointing me to that article regarding 4:5 operation performance versus 1:1 operation performance. Been looking for that article everywhere actually...come to think of it, I'm not even sure if I read that article in this forum LOL. maybe tom's hardware.

EDIT: nevermind, found the very useful article :)

for those interested:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
 

eojinlim

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Haha, lmao. just realized it was YOUR POST!!! man, too funny. I'm asking the author of the very thread that Im looking for.
 

n7

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:)

I'd love you see to contribute some results to that thread if you could.
I was hoping for more than we got, & then the threaded got derailed.
Hopefully someone with 975X will eventually add to it.
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: n7
:)

I'd love you see to contribute some results to that thread if you could.
I was hoping for more than we got, & then the threaded got derailed.
Hopefully someone with 975X will eventually add to it.

Yeah because you got some marketing tool from a big name memory manufacturer trying to sell his overpriced crap inside a thread dedicated to performance numbers. He has no numbers to give, just marketing and links to internal marketing PDFs.
 

eojinlim

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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: n7
:)

I'd love you see to contribute some results to that thread if you could.
I was hoping for more than we got, & then the threaded got derailed.
Hopefully someone with 975X will eventually add to it.

Yeah because you got some marketing tool from a big name memory manufacturer trying to sell his overpriced crap inside a thread dedicated to performance numbers. He has no numbers to give, just marketing and links to internal marketing PDFs.

????? wahhh????
 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: eojinlim
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: n7
:)

I'd love you see to contribute some results to that thread if you could.
I was hoping for more than we got, & then the threaded got derailed.
Hopefully someone with 975X will eventually add to it.

Yeah because you got some marketing tool from a big name memory manufacturer trying to sell his overpriced crap inside a thread dedicated to performance numbers. He has no numbers to give, just marketing and links to internal marketing PDFs.

????? wahhh????

I agree. what is this ?? almost amounts to trolling... big conspiracy theories and such...
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: eojinlim
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: n7
:)

I'd love you see to contribute some results to that thread if you could.
I was hoping for more than we got, & then the threaded got derailed.
Hopefully someone with 975X will eventually add to it.

Yeah because you got some marketing tool from a big name memory manufacturer trying to sell his overpriced crap inside a thread dedicated to performance numbers. He has no numbers to give, just marketing and links to internal marketing PDFs.

????? wahhh????

I agree. what is this ?? almost amounts to trolling... big conspiracy theories and such...

I'm talking about every single rep from memory companies who do nothing but hype their own products while offering NOTHING to the community at large other than marketing. I suppose because you don't see it or just ignore it, it doesn't exist.
 

myocardia

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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Yeah because you got some marketing tool from a big name memory manufacturer trying to sell his overpriced crap inside a thread dedicated to performance numbers. He has no numbers to give, just marketing and links to internal marketing PDFs.
Notice that he never came back with numbers, like he promised in that thread?
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: myocardia
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Yeah because you got some marketing tool from a big name memory manufacturer trying to sell his overpriced crap inside a thread dedicated to performance numbers. He has no numbers to give, just marketing and links to internal marketing PDFs.
Notice that he never came back with numbers, like he promised in that thread?

Yeah it's ok though.


Sorry to derail the thread.

Back on topic You should be able to hit 3.6Ghz on the E6600 with the right voltage and the right settings. You may need to run more voltage through your memory than the standard 2.2v.
 

Yellowbeard

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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: myocardia
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Yeah because you got some marketing tool from a big name memory manufacturer trying to sell his overpriced crap inside a thread dedicated to performance numbers. He has no numbers to give, just marketing and links to internal marketing PDFs.
Notice that he never came back with numbers, like he promised in that thread?

Yeah it's ok though.


Sorry to derail the thread.

Back on topic You should be able to hit 3.6Ghz on the E6600 with the right voltage and the right settings. You may need to run more voltage through your memory than the standard 2.2v.
You guys are cute, crapping someone else's thread.

Happy Holidays ;)
 

eojinlim

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Not really. Couldn't I just sell this memory in favour of cheaper memory like ddr2 800 with cl5 timings and overclock my e6600 via 9x400?
 

Yellowbeard

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What I am asking everyone is whether ditching the high quality memory such as the Crucial 10th Anniversary in favour of an Elpida Chip based memory is the way to go when buying an e6600 instead of the e6400.


Originally posted by: eojinlim
Not really. Couldn't I just sell this memory in favour of cheaper memory like ddr2 800 with cl5 timings and overclock my e6600 via 9x400?

I see many people post stating that what you are suggesting is the best way to go. They believe that a 1:1 ratio is best. And obviously, even value type DDR2-800 memory will work 1:1 at a 400fsb on the CPU. However, most of them that I see posting about this also use 975 based MOBOs which don't handle multipliers as well as your 965 MOBO.

If you believe the 1:1 theory, and want to run less expensive memory, you could do very well with your CPU and some value 800. In the end, if you get close to or the same CPU speed as with a 2/3 or 4/5, you will likely never see the difference in real world usage. You would have to use synthetic benchmarks to tell.