E5200 voltages?

[mwmorph]

I'm about to build the following build:
Intel Pentium E5200
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3L P45
Patriot Viper 4GB(2x2GB) DDR2 4-4-4-12 Model PVS24G6400LLK
Samsung Spinpoint 500GB
ATI 4870 1GB
Antec Earthwatts 430W/34A +12V
Antec 300

Does anyone have experiences with that?

I'd like to know if the stock cooler is adequate for ocing. I know the old 85W TDP Core2s had a copper core radial curved bifurcated fin heatsink of decent size and weight with a 84mm fan but I also heard that after the move to 45nm, intel moved to a smaller heatsink, about half the height and without the copper core.

Can anyone tell me what the stock HS/F for the E5200 is and whether it'll do for some light ocing? Maybe just 3.2ghz or so?

Also Does the ram/motherboard throw up any red flags as far as compatibility goes? Has anyone tried ocing with the Patriot mem? It's 4-4-4-12 so I'm hedging for some headroom with looser latencies.


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EDIT: I got it stable at 333x11.5(3833mhz) at 1.392vcore idle 1.360 load. Idle temps are 30*C, load are 59-61*C so they're not bad, but is the vcore too high to sustain on a 45nm wolfdale?

 

[SlitheryDee]

My E8400 HSF is small, doesn't have the copper core, and kinda sucks. My temps are out of control above a 3.6ghz overclock. I got the thing to boot and test stable at 4ghz for a few runs in intel burn test, but I wasn't comfortable with the 70+ degree temps. At least I know the chip can do it if only I get some better cooling. My recommendation is to go ahead and invest in a better cooler if you're going to try for a decent OC, but the stock heatsink will get you a few mhz. At least it did with my 45nm processor.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
My E8400 HSF is small, doesn't have the copper core, and kinda sucks. My temps are out of control above a 3.6ghz overclock. I got the thing to boot and test stable at 4ghz for a few runs in intel burn test, but I wasn't comfortable with the 70+ degree temps. At least I know the chip can do it if only I get some better cooling. My recommendation is to go ahead and invest in a better cooler if you're going to try for a decent OC, but the stock heatsink will get you a few mhz.

Well the stock chip is 2.5ghz and though 3.2ghz isnt high for a Wolfdale, it's not exactly stock. I sholdn't have to go above 1.35V, I'd like to keep it around 1.3V if possible. I'm just not sure with the tiny cooler 1.3 is a good idea.

Obviously it's a budget setup (Surprisingly just over $600 and it should run all new games fairly well) and I will probably get a better cooler down the road, but for now, I'm just wondering if it'll tide me over.

 

[edplayer]

I have that motherboard and I just ordered the same ram. Using an E7200 with stock cooling and it works OK at 3.2GHz


Gets into the low 50's (C) with two hard drives a 9600GT (no rear exhaust) and a single 120mm exhaust fan (Antec Sonata III) during gaming (20°C room temps)



edit: Mine is doing 3.2GHz at 1.12V (in cpuz or 1.16 in BIOS)

 

[edplayer]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's 4-4-4-12 so I'm hedging for some headroom with looser latencies.

what FSB do you think you will be using?

 

[yh125d]

you should be able to get stable at 3.2 with maybe 1.3vcore or so. You have a good case so temps shouldn't be too bad, but they'll be a tad on the warm side. I'd guess, 65ish load temps?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: edplayer

Originally posted by: mwmorph
It's 4-4-4-12 so I'm hedging for some headroom with looser latencies.

what FSB do you think you will be using?

E5200 is 12.5 multiplier so probably around 256mhz so the ram will still have to be async and in a divider, I'd hope to run at stock multis but if i have to drop down to 11x or 10x, i can.

I have heard the 5200 doesnt like above 400mhz FSB though so i'd like to keep it lower, maybe 305@10.5 or 290@11. Maybe run 900, 920 at 5-5-5-15 so a memory split of 3:2.

 

[edplayer]

Why do you want to use the stock multiplier?

I have mine set at 8x400 and have EIST and C1 enabled (CPU VCore set to Normal)

 

[Lonyo]

i've had a great experience so far. 3.4 ghz on stock multi, ram at 818. It's crucial 2x2gb 6400 4-4-4-12 @ 4's. P5QL-E board. Voltage is currently 1.232 in windows (cpu-z). Temps reach into 50s with a poorly done ocz vendetta. Voltage might be able to go lower. Temps stopped me going higher on the clocks. Don't know what max speed would be.

 

[Timorous]

I have two identical machines which use the following

E5200
Patriot Viper 4GB(2x2GB) DDR2 4-4-4-12 Model PVS24G6400LLK
Biostar P43-A7
Radeon HD4830

I run both machines at 3.4 ghz. The voltage is 1.26v for the one machine and 1.3v for the other. The memory is at DDR906 with 5-5-5-15 timings at its default 2.2v

The motherboard has crap bios options. My vcc voltage are in 5,10,15% increments and I have a limited selection of memory dividers so I am forced to run my memory at higher than default speeds. The temps max out at around 60 degrees with the stock HSF after running prime95 for 8 hours.

Both machines are stable and run very well I just wish I had chosen a better motherboard.

It probably has more headroom and if I had more control over voltages I could probably lower them quite nicely too.

If your case has reasonable airflow then 3.2Ghz on the stock HSF should be quite easy.

 

[Fox5]

I've got mine at 3.33Ghz with synchronous ram on an old gigabyte p965-s3.
Needed 1.3125V to get it at the speed. Well, it may have been doable at lower, but I had to bump voltage way up to get stable at 3.5Ghz, so I backed off both a bit.

 

[Assimilator1]

Bump!

As I want to see more results .
I'm getting an E5200 as soon as ebuyer bring in the Intel price cuts, I'd get it from OcUK or elsewhere but I have credit stuck in ebuyer.

Anyway my one will be going in a MSI P6N Platinum with OCZ DDR2 800 4-4-4, I know this mbrd could run a E6420 upto 400 MHz FSB so the E5200s high multi won't hold it back .

Hmm, best I sort out a graphics card & cooler soon!....

 

[Duvie]

My stock cooler on the E5300 took me to 3.3ghz (12.5x266) with high 60's after 1 hour of prime.....I was able to run stock volts up to this point....I had to start adding vcore but posted and tested at 3.6ghz (12.5x286) tried lowering multi to 12x for 300fsb or even 11x327 but the board wouldn't let me. I think I was missing a setting. Temps at idle were high and prime testing within moments was high 70's....

I am sure if I had my TRUE 120 on it my temps at 3.6ghz would have been high 50's. My water cooler on it I am sure it would have been 19c idle and low 40's at worst.


I think this chip can do 3.6ghz with a 35 dollar aftermarket cooler....maybe a shot at 3.8ghz with a TRUE 120 or equal.....


I was able to run my E8400 up to 4ghz but it did storck up to 3.6...The fact the E5200 only did 3.3ghz stock likely meant 3.7ghz was going to be topping it out....NIce for 84.99 when I bought it...

 

[Duvie]

To the OP....


3.2ghz should be able to be fine with stock cooler providing the case is well ventilated.....

3.2ghz is only 256fsb....drop the multi to 8x if the board lets you and set fsb to 400. run the 1:1 ratio or 200memory divider for 800ddr speed

I ran an MSI Nforce 610i board so I cannot comment much on the motherboard.

 

[gdextreme]

I'd upgrade the stock cooler. Intel cooler I got with the E5200 was puny. Though I did not try it I bet it'd suck if you were looking to overclock above 3ghz

 

[Concillian]

my e5200 was topping out ~3.1 GHz on stock voltage. 3.2 should easily be doable on stock cooler.

You're going to ultimately be limited by what temperature you're comfortable running if you're using the stock cooler.

 

[Assimilator1]

Duvie
Interesting info regarding temps, if my upcoming CPU is as good as yours I'll be happy.

I don't get this wierd thing going on with the E5200s mostly not being able to run at very high FSBs , I'm going to test my one out on that too.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Duvie
Interesting info regarding temps, if my upcoming CPU is as good as yours I'll be happy.

I don't get this wierd thing going on with the E5200s mostly not being able to run at very high FSBs , I'm going to test my one out on that too.

perhaps....I see talk of 333 wall...maybe 400 is out of the question...I was thinking of board capabilities and didn't think that perhaps the chip couldn't do it. makes me think again the pentium Dual Core E5200 is not as much a Core 2 chip as people think.

To be honest I didn't test other multis because like i mentioned above my board didn't like me changing the multi down....could have been an nvidia 610i thing...but imagine I was doing tha on a 50 dollar foxcon mobo...3.3 ghz stable (1 hr prime) but too high of temps for the stock cooler...stock vcore....all for 134.99.

Cant beat that deal!!!!

At 333mhz fsb which most are saying is "the wall"...with the stock multi that is 4.16ghz.....I dont think most are getting there so shouldn't be a problem...

I would shoot for holding 333mhz then....you should be bale to get a ram divider or ram to work in the 800-1000mhz range....

10x333=3.33ghz...
10.5x333=3.5ghz...
11x333=3.66ghz...
11.5x333=3.83ghz...

I think both 3.5 and 3.66ghz are possible with nice aftermarket cooler based on my testing

 

[Assimilator1]

Well my MSI P6N plat will do 400 MHz FSB with a C2D, so that's upto 5 GHz for the E5200 :laugh:

I've read reports where people have known the mbrd can do a much higher FSB, yet even with a low multi the E5200 still can't do the higher FSBs .

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Well my MSI P6N plat will do 400 MHz FSB with a C2D, so that's upto 5 GHz for the E5200 :laugh:

I've read reports where people have known the mbrd can do a much higher FSB, yet even with a low multi the E5200 still can't do the higher FSBs .

The foxconn was rated to do 400fsb, and likely would have with say my E8400....


If the chip has issues past 333fsb...so be it....At stock multi overall clock speed will likely limit you anyways....


hold 333fsb and adjust the multi.

 

[scruffypup]

Yeah the stock coolers are small in comparison to aftermarket ones out there,... but they do a decent job actually.

The stock cooler will keep you ok up to 3.2 range with it being slightly warm - approx 55-60 under full load most likely, maybe a bit less depending on case (you won't have sub 30 temps like some people insist on having,... but hey for a budget it is fine)

My e7200 (fairly similar) went to 3.2 on stock voltage, stock cooling, smaller case (sonata III), one case fan on low (~1200 for antec tri cool) and never went over 60 in a somewhat warm room...

If you want to push over 3.2 or are really worried about it, then get a good budget cooler like the xigmatek S1283, ozc vendetta 2 or similar, they shave ~13-21 degrees off depending again on case and such.

Edit - personally I like the choices overall and staying stock for a solid, good performing budget build.

 

[Jester666]

I keep mine at 3.3GHz with 1.3V vcore @ 58C temp using CM Hyper TX. It can get to 3.6GHz, but requires 1.4V vcore and temps in upper 60s. I'm satisfied for the price.

 

[soccerballtux]

price/performance it is just as worth it to spend the money on the e8400. You don't come out ahead price/perf with the 5200 (unless you can't afford the e8400/don't want to spend that kind of money, and that is a very legitimate reason not to get it). The cache makes a pretty big difference; xbitlabs and some french site did a huge comparison of like 50 chips and that was the conclusion.

 

[jyjjy777]

I've got an e5200 running at 3.3 ghz on stock cooling. Just upped the voltage to 1.26, the FSB to 266 and a 2/3 fsb/ram divider runs the ram at its normal speed (ddr2-800)
Doesn't go over 50 degrees C even when gaming. I'm sure it could go higher but I figured if I'm going to push it I should get a better fan/heatsink and I haven't bothered yet.

 

[jyjjy777]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
price/performance it is just as worth it to spend the money on the e8400. You don't come out ahead price/perf with the 5200

This is flagrantly untrue. An e5200 is $73 on newegg while the e8400 is $165. That's a price increase of a full 125% and the extra cache on the e8400 will get you at most a 20% increase in performance depending on the application.
And if you are going to venture into that price range you might as well spend the extra $25 more and get a q6600 rather than an e8400.