e5200 oced to 3.4 @ 1.325v 44C idle OK?????

ShreddedWheat

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I'm at 44C idle and about 58C max. (using both coretemps and realtemp)

Specs:

Gigabyte GM31-ES2L ?
e5200
Artic Cooler 7 (used thermal pad that came with it couldn't find my ac5, heard only 2-3 degree difference anyways).

Is this fine?
 

zagood

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running a little hot, but not dangerously so. might want to try different multiplier/FSB combinations to see if you can pull a lower voltage, but mine's running at 1.325 as well for 3.5ghz (333x10.5). Using a TRUE my idle is 37c (but with a stuck sensor) and load around 45c with fan around 60%.

Stock thermal pad should be fine as long as you didn't apply it, remove it, and re-apply.

Are you sure your heatsink is mounted securely?
What case/case fans are you using? Without enough case airflow the heatsink won't matter.
 

ShreddedWheat

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The heatsink is mounted properly (did it outside the case so I was able to see the back panel of mobo)

I didn't remove heatsink material so good there.

Case is a little on the small side (it is an Ultra ATX Case 16 inches high, room for the floppy drive and 3 cd drives. I have a large fan on the back blowing out. I did have a fan on the front but it wasn't making a drop in temps and unplugged it cause it was rattling. I might try to find a bigger intake fan for it though.

I didn't try changing the multipliers cause this mobo from what I have read doesn't do so well with higher fsb speeds and lower multiplier. I have lowered the voltage but the computer doesn't seem stable and it hasn't dropped the temps either.

Stability has been fine only 1 crash in past 3 weeks playing a game. Load never gets above 58C.

Thanks for your help!
 

BonzaiDuck

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Originally posted by: ShreddedWheat
The heatsink is mounted properly (did it outside the case so I was able to see the back panel of mobo)

I didn't remove heatsink material so good there.

Case is a little on the small side (it is an Ultra ATX Case 16 inches high, room for the floppy drive and 3 cd drives. I have a large fan on the back blowing out. I did have a fan on the front but it wasn't making a drop in temps and unplugged it cause it was rattling. I might try to find a bigger intake fan for it though.

I didn't try changing the multipliers cause this mobo from what I have read doesn't do so well with higher fsb speeds and lower multiplier. I have lowered the voltage but the computer doesn't seem stable and it hasn't dropped the temps either.

Stability has been fine only 1 crash in past 3 weeks playing a game. Load never gets above 58C.

Thanks for your help!

With your temperature monitoring software, you're looking at the core sensors which should register higher than the legacy TCase sensor. The latter is reference for the Intel thermal spec. With something like Everest Ultimate [trial or licensed], you should be able to see the reading for TCase, although it would also show up in your BIOS monitor screen.

Small cases require more attention to cooling and airflow, if they limit intake-fan CFMs. [Some people argue that large cases leave pockets of air that warm up, but attention to airflow may make larger cases easier to work with.] In my opinion (and others may differ), you need to increase athe intake CFMs to overwhelm the exhaust CFMs. But this doesn't seem to be critical to your situation, if your load temperatures (core) average 58C and TCase <= AVG(core C's) - 5. The main question for me: "What do you use to stress-test and obtain load temperature readings?" Try "LinPack" [IntelBurnTest] for 2 iterations "maximum stress" to see how hot it gets. If it's below 75C, you're probably still "OK."

The idle temperatures would seem to derive from your case-airflow situation. That -- again --- is just my opinion. The Arctic 7 Freezer-Pro is popular, even if "not the best." For a 65W-TDP core such as yours, it should be more than enough.

Also -- is the Freezer's fan thermally controlled? That may also have an effect on your idle values. If your VCORE is the "set" value indicated in your BIOS, it is not excessive. And if it is the "reported" value (CPU-Z), it is also not excessive. The safe voltage range for that core is 0.85 to 1.3625V.

Meanwhile, you can probably capture a 5C-degree temperature improvement by lapping the processor IHS down to bare copper. Lap the copper heatsink base of the freezer pro so that it's perfectly flat -- for some unspecified improvement. [Lapping the nickel-plate off the IHS will assure that it, too, is flat.] Since the improvement over AS5 with nano-diamond thermal paste [try Innovation Cooling's IC-Diamond] is between 2 and 3C degrees for a core with 100W TDP, I'm banking on closer to a 5C-degree improvement if you scrape off the Freezer's thermal pad, clean it up with alcohol. So there may be as much as a 10C-degree improvement potential in your rig -- a cost in sandpaper, alcohol, and $7 worth of thermal paste.
 

ShreddedWheat

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I put fan speed to 100% and it dropped only 1-2 degrees C. At max fan speed at 2500rpms normally at 1200rpms.

I tried lower multi and raising fsb and temps stayed the same.

Guess I will try to find a bigger fan for intake. With side cover off it only drops like 1-2 degrees.

Oh in bios it shows 36C
 

BonzaiDuck

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Originally posted by: ShreddedWheat
Voltage is at 1.3375.

Don't really want to lap heatsink or cpu.

Suit yourself. Per the CPU, it voids the warranty, but does no harm. Just assuring complete flatness helps on either or both surfaces. The Freezer Pro seems to be copper without nickel plate, so you're fine with that. Nickel has a higher thermal resistance than copper, so any such plating (as you would find on the CPU IHS) means marginally higher temperatures.

In summer, 2007, I ran tests on these items with a CPU overclocked to something closer to 100W thermal power. Samples were taken before and after, at controlled room-ambients -- thousands of measurements at 8-second intervals. Definitely -- a 10C-improvement with the cumulative effect of lapping and thermal paste. I posted them here in bar-charts, but they may no longer be available.

As I said, if a short run of IntelBurnTest doesn't much exceed the thermal spec for TCase, you're probably fine. I still think your high idle temperatures are related to your fan-deployments and case-airflow.
 

ShreddedWheat

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added another fan blowing from the side and re-hooked up front intake fan and temps went down to 41-42 so about 2 degrees but it sounds like a jet engine now. :(

If 44-45 C is alright and not dangerous then I can live with that. Next time I get some Arctic Silver 5 and feel like taking the mobo out of the case I'll try that.

Thanks for everyones' advice. Any other comments welcomed!
 

jjmIII

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Originally posted by: ShreddedWheat
Thanks for everyones' advice. Any other comments welcomed!

Cut those crappy push-pins off and replace them.

Get a good (silent) front fan and remove the side fan. Your temps are reasonable IMO.
 

nyker96

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what is the load temperature of that thing? I think 44 still ok, but personally I'm moving away from 92mms they are very loud on full load. actually using ac7pro on this machine, i like the quiet 120mm zerotherm on other machine much better on full load.

oh you can get a bolt thru set to make the contact tighter. I use one set here and that lowers the temp slightly 2-3c.
 

F1shF4t

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Originally posted by: ShreddedWheat
added another fan blowing from the side and re-hooked up front intake fan and temps went down to 41-42 so about 2 degrees but it sounds like a jet engine now. :(

If 44-45 C is alright and not dangerous then I can live with that. Next time I get some Arctic Silver 5 and feel like taking the mobo out of the case I'll try that.

Thanks for everyones' advice. Any other comments welcomed!

Keep in mind that the temp sensors can be "stuck". Such as on my q9550 the min core temps reported are 50-51C, i know for a fact it idles lower. Only time it goes below that is after just turning on on a cool day it will show 46C initially.

Saying all that even if your temps are as reported at idle they are perfectly fine. Just check your max temps using IBT, as long as they are reasonable its fine. For dually i'd probably aim for below 70C, for quads keeping below 80C is reasonable. (These are core temps, Tcase temps are unreliable. Use coretemp or realtemp to check temps)
 
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I get the exact same temps with my Q8200 overclocked with my Arctic Freezer Pro attached. You might want to re-seat the HSF if you can. These temps aren't bad btw.
 

jjmIII

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I have almost the same rig. I set my CPU to 1.3375V like you and a 266bus (3.33ghz)

In my Antec case with 120mm in the rear set on low, and 80mm front fan, my idle is 36-37C. I am using a stock copper Intel fan from their Quad line with the bolt down kit. Full load (orthos small fft's) is 56-57C.

Hope that helps :).
 

zagood

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Originally posted by: brandonwh64
ive got mine at 3.45ghz and 1200mhz FSB and it idles at 34 and over loads at 48
http://i32.photobucket.com/alb...31/brandonwh64/new.jpg

You can probably keep it stable with a much lower CPU voltage (showing 1.424v in CPU-Z which means you probably have it set to around 1.45 in BIOS?). Try 1.325v to start with and creep up if you need to. Your chip will run cooler, you'll save a little in energy costs, and extend the life of the processor.