E4500 vs E6400 vs E6550

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Tweakin

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I'm only looking to spend 100~225 max on the cpu.

This leans me to the E4500 series due to their cost. Would like the larger cache of the 6xxx series, but with basic DDr2 800 memory, I would like an easy bump with the fsb.

Board = Abit IP35-E
Memory = G Skill 2x4GB DDR2 800
Video = Aging eVga 7800GT OC

Thoughts?
 
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21stHermit

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Luck of the Draw.

Any of those CPU's are as equally likely and equally unlikely to hit 3.2GHz on a IP35-E. If the OC Gods are smiling on your purchase, then hell yes.
 
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IL2SturmovikPilot

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Originally posted by: Tweakin
Anyone know what the multi values are for these chips...
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E4500 = 11x Multiplier.
E6400/6420 = 8x Multiplier.
E6550 = 7x Multiplier.

My choice would be the E4500,though Multiplier isn't everything,it has better bang for buck than the E6550 and especially the E64**'s.

Though since its ijn your budget,a E6750 would be your best friend.
 
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Tweakin

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Thanks IL2SturmovikPilot...that help's me out alot.

Why do you like the 6750 so much? Does it have a high multi?
 
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well, the E6400 is an older chip (B2/L2 stepping) with less cache.

The E6750 has the same multiplier as the E6400 but has more cache and is a newer G0 stepping, and will probably clock higher. The E4X00 series has trouble clocking above 3.0GHz without a BSEL pin mod because of Bus timing limitations of the 800Mhz FSB.

However, my recommendation is the E8400 @ 3.0GHz stock (EDIT: OR the Xeon E3110, which is the Xeon equivalent of the E8400). It has been known to hit high 3GHz range (3.6GHz+) on a good board and it is $230 OEM (and since you are overclocking, you do not need a warranty) Link for E8400 or Link for Xeon E3110
 
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Tweakin

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Originally posted by: PCTC2
However, my recommendation is the E8400 @ 3.0GHz stock (EDIT: OR the Xeon E3110, which is the Xeon equivalent of the E8400). It has been known to hit high 3GHz range (3.6GHz+) on a good board and it is $230 OEM...
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Thanks for the input. The only problem with that chip is that it has issues with the IP35-E from what I have read...please prove me wrong...

In retrospect, it was a much easier decision with the AMD chips.....
 
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Tullphan

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Heck, I got an E6300 that'll do 3.2 on my MSI Neo2-FR...7x458.
It'll run in the upper 30's to low 40's @ idle & hits ~50 stressed...these are @ stock voltages.
I'm using some Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 that runs @ 916 @ 2.05v using the 1:1.
Here's the results before I bumped it up to 458.
I've got an IP35-E that'll be back Tuesday from RMA...perhaps i'll see if it'll do the same...it should.
I'd like lower temps, but I guess I should be content.
 
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Originally posted by: PCTC2
well, the E6400 is an older chip (B2/L2 stepping) with less cache.

The E6750 has the same multiplier as the E6400 but has more cache and is a newer G0 stepping, and will probably clock higher. The E4X00 series has trouble clocking above 3.0GHz without a BSEL pin mod because of Bus timing limitations of the 800Mhz FSB.
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That's completely dependent on the motherboard, not the CPU. A P35-based board shouldn't have a problem overclocking without a BSEL mod.
 
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Originally posted by: Tullphan
Heck, I got an E6300 that'll do 3.2 on my MSI Neo2-FR...7x458.
It'll run in the upper 30's to low 40's @ idle & hits ~50 stressed...these are @ stock voltages.
I'm using some Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 that runs @ 916 @ 2.05v using the 1:1.
Here's the results before I bumped it up to 458.
I've got an IP35-E that'll be back Tuesday from RMA...perhaps i'll see if it'll do the same...it should.
I'd like lower temps, but I guess I should be content.
Click to expand...

I got a E6550 running 3.5G on my neo2-fr, took 500fsb right out of the box.
 
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Tullphan

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Originally posted by: Gillbot
Originally posted by: Tullphan
Heck, I got an E6300 that'll do 3.2 on my MSI Neo2-FR...7x458.
It'll run in the upper 30's to low 40's @ idle & hits ~50 stressed...these are @ stock voltages.
I'm using some Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 that runs @ 916 @ 2.05v using the 1:1.
Here's the results before I bumped it up to 458.
I've got an IP35-E that'll be back Tuesday from RMA...perhaps i'll see if it'll do the same...it should.
I'd like lower temps, but I guess I should be content.
Click to expand...

I got a E6550 running 3.5G on my neo2-fr, took 500fsb right out of the box.
Click to expand...

Wow...that IS impressive. Guess i'd better shutup about my overclock...hehehe. :)
 
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Tweakin

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Originally posted by: Tullphan
Heck, I got an E6300 that'll do 3.2 on my MSI Neo2-FR...7x458.
It'll run in the upper 30's to low 40's @ idle & hits ~50 stressed...these are @ stock voltages.
Click to expand...

Right now the E6300 is on my list...nice price point for that chip.
 
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IL2SturmovikPilot

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Originally posted by: Tweakin
Originally posted by: Tullphan
Heck, I got an E6300 that'll do 3.2 on my MSI Neo2-FR...7x458.
It'll run in the upper 30's to low 40's @ idle & hits ~50 stressed...these are @ stock voltages.
Click to expand...

Right now the E6300 is on my list...nice price point for that chip.
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Where at? If its at newegg,you're getting ripped off HARD.

 
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BSEL mod does nothing on IP35-E, and I think hitting 3.2 is very easy with e4500,
heck even my old old 4300 does 3.2.

Originally posted by: PCTC2
well, the E6400 is an older chip (B2/L2 stepping) with less cache.

The E6750 has the same multiplier as the E6400 but has more cache and is a newer G0 stepping, and will probably clock higher. The E4X00 series has trouble clocking above 3.0GHz without a BSEL pin mod because of Bus timing limitations of the 800Mhz FSB.

However, my recommendation is the E8400 @ 3.0GHz stock (EDIT: OR the Xeon E3110, which is the Xeon equivalent of the E8400). It has been known to hit high 3GHz range (3.6GHz+) on a good board and it is $230 OEM (and since you are overclocking, you do not need a warranty) Link for E8400 or Link for Xeon E3110
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imported_Scoop

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If you're looking to save money even after purchase, go with the E4500. I got mine running at 300x11 and when idle it sits nicely at 300x6 for a 1800Mhz. If you buy something like an E6300 which has the same 2MB cache btw, you don't get the same savings in power usage cause the the multiplier can't drop much, for example if you OC it to something like 470x7=3290Mhz, you'll be running it 470x6=2820Mhz when doing nothing.
 
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Tweakin

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Originally posted by: Scoop
If you're looking to save money even after purchase, go with the E4500. I got mine running at 300x11 and when idle it sits nicely at 300x6 for a 1800Mhz. If you buy something like an E6300 which has the same 2MB cache btw, you don't get the same savings in power usage cause the the multiplier can't drop much, for example if you OC it to something like 470x7=3290Mhz, you'll be running it 470x6=2820Mhz when doing nothing.
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I take it you are running EIST then? This would be nice as I would like this system to be fairly quiet...it's going into my home office. What voltage are you running? Did you have to bump up the NB also?
 
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imported_Scoop

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Originally posted by: Tweakin
Originally posted by: Scoop
If you're looking to save money even after purchase, go with the E4500. I got mine running at 300x11 and when idle it sits nicely at 300x6 for a 1800Mhz. If you buy something like an E6300 which has the same 2MB cache btw, you don't get the same savings in power usage cause the the multiplier can't drop much, for example if you OC it to something like 470x7=3290Mhz, you'll be running it 470x6=2820Mhz when doing nothing.
Click to expand...

I take it you are running EIST then? This would be nice as I would like this system to be fairly quiet...it's going into my home office. What voltage are you running? Did you have to bump up the NB also?
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I've only had to increase the core voltage to 1.465 which is, well, fairly high, but the temps still stay at 62C under load which ain't too high. 31C while idle with the fans at minimum speed. C1E and EIST on of course.
 
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My take... The E6xxx chips have the better cache, and its does make a difference on some apps. The E6550 and the E6300 have the 7x multi, and thats really hard on the motherboard and memory to get a good OC (3.4 or so). So if I had to do right now, I would pick the E6xxx chips with the 8x multi, and get the cheapest you can find, E6400, E6750.
 
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Tweakin

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Thanks to all...I still have to pull the plug on the cpu, and it's not an easy choice. I'm still looking like a madman for the best buy I can find...I've forgotten how much time you can invest (read waste) looking for the right combo....
 
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