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E.P.A. Prepares to Roll Back Rules Requiring Cars to Be Cleaner and More Efficient

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cbrunny said:
Did you know there are entire countries outside the USA? For real! Legit people in organized societies with cars and money and everything!!
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Srsly?! You're telling me that this map is all wrong?!

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K1052 said:
An under appreciated risk for the car companies also is that CA might well now pass a fossil fuel vehicle sales ban and some other states could/will follow.
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LOL do it CA we dare you. Might as well go ahead and just make your intentions overt and just outlaw poors since they can’t afford $500+/square foot housing and now electric cars like you’re proposing. Maybe you can just bus them in daily from Nevada to wash your dishes, make your soy lattes, and the other prole work. Or maybe force them into underground caves like the Morlocks from The Time Traveler.
 
glenn1 said:
LOL do it CA we dare you. Might as well go ahead and just make your intentions overt and just outlaw poors since they can’t afford $500+/square foot housing and now electric cars like you’re proposing. Maybe you can just bus them in daily from Nevada to wash your dishes, make your soy lattes, and the other prole work. Or maybe force them into underground caves like the Morlocks from The Time Traveler.
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Your false concern and alarmism never fails to be boring.
 
Within 20 years China will probably rival Japan in US Auto Sales Marketshare. The Big 3 will have been whittled down to 1 or 2, if you're lucky.....if anyone takes this rollback seriously. I suspect the Big 3 are smarter than this though, they'll just continue on as if the rules still apply.
 
Getting rid of these EPA mandates is a good thing. Remember that the industry IS NOT THERE YET. The requirement is to further improve fuel economy to 54.4 MPG by 2025, when already, owners of these more efficient vehicles are seeing higher repair bills that are only getting worse with each new generation.

Certainly the industry is not going to backtrack to lower fuel economy as they are already invested in the current tech and production, but it would be good not to push things too much further. That is what EV and hybrid are for.

Besides, it's all madness. The amount of pollution reduction from further consumer automobile MPG improvements is nothing compared to the larger polluters, other countries and container ships... or did you think that pollution won't make its way around to us?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-pollution

The result is rules made by politicians and people who believe in unicorns instead of math. Fortunately a few people still do math and the EPA has conceded that the future requirements are impossible and will be reduced regardless of whether Trump repeals them or not. No matter how much some want a unicorn, they're not going to get one from wishing it were possible no matter how many laws are passed mandating that we all get to have one.

Europeans aren't getting unicorns either. Sorry guys but keep wishing if it makes you happy.
 
SMOGZINN said:
I think you just found the title for Stormy Daniels tell all autobiography.
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Heh. If you're referring to snippets of Trump and Daniels buck nekkid in bed plowing into each other throughout the book, then ewwww, yeah that title fits just nicely. 😀
 
tweaker2 said:
Damn the climate. It'll fix itself by killing off what's causing the problem. In the meantime, for the profits, full steam ahead. MAGA - (Make America Gag Again).
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dawp said:
that's a valid point, biological systems go after the infection and to the the eco system we are the infection.
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This is a central part of Lovelock's Gaia theory. He's kinda wacky-quacky in a way, but I do think he's a sharp guy and there are parts of this theory that I find compelling. It's kinda "cool," anyway.
 
mindless1 said:
Getting rid of these EPA mandates is a good thing. Remember that the industry IS NOT THERE YET. The requirement is to further improve fuel economy to 54.4 MPG by 2025, when already, owners of these more efficient vehicles are seeing higher repair bills that are only getting worse with each new generation.

Certainly the industry is not going to backtrack to lower fuel economy as they are already invested in the current tech and production, but it would be good not to push things too much further. That is what EV and hybrid are for.

Besides, it's all madness. The amount of pollution reduction from further consumer automobile MPG improvements is nothing compared to the larger polluters, other countries and container ships... or did you think that pollution won't make its way around to us?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-pollution

The result is rules made by politicians and people who believe in unicorns instead of math. Fortunately a few people still do math and the EPA has conceded that the future requirements are impossible and will be reduced regardless of whether Trump repeals them or not. No matter how much some want a unicorn, they're not going to get one from wishing it were possible no matter how many laws are passed mandating that we all get to have one.

Europeans aren't getting unicorns either. Sorry guys but keep wishing if it makes you happy.
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after trump is gone they will be put back.
 
Can't have that negro's work still on the books, nope. Makes Dump and Pruitt look like epic assholes, but then that's a daily thing these days. Just another embarrassment by science denying whores, another issue for China to take advantage of.

vi edit said:
That's actually Colorado, which was blue. 😉
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We have those kind of idiots in Vermont, the 'be as loud and smokey as possible' type. Turns out they migrate.
 
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K1052 said:
Your false concern and alarmism never fails to be boring.
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False concern? Hell I already said I want you to screw over the poor and drive them out of CA. I look forward to my next visit without them clogging the roads and obstructing views.
 
UberNeuman said:
Finally the gates have been opened and the restrictions removed to allow beautiful clean coal burning cars to usher in a new cheap age of transportation once we cut the legs off all the horses.
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Unfortunately the laws of physics and properties of material science aren't subject to the dictates of legislators to magically enable a car to reach MPG standards that are based more on wishful thinking than science.
 
mindless1 said:
Getting rid of these EPA mandates is a good thing.

Remember that the industry IS NOT THERE YET.

The requirement is to further improve fuel economy to 54.4 MPG by 2025, when already, owners of these more efficient vehicles are seeing higher repair bills

that are only getting worse with each new generation.
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All of that looks like Heritage talking points

Why? - That's an opinion any facts?

you rights is 7 years from now. lol

So?

So and you can predict the future?
 
kk
glenn1 said:
Unfortunately the laws of physics and properties of material science aren't subject to the dictates of legislators to magically enable a car to reach MPG standards that are based more on wishful thinking than science.
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Those standards are easy to reach.
 
sandorski said:
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Those standards are easy to reach.
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Yeah if you're willing to basically mandate small electric engine vehicles. Sucks to be you if you live somewhere you can't plug in your car or require more seating than a small electric sedan will allow but then I guess you shouldn't have chosen to be poor or have lots of family members. There's always walking or the bus for the likes of you.
 
glenn1 said:
Yeah if you're willing to basically mandate small electric engine vehicles. Sucks to be you if you live somewhere you can't plug in your car or require more seating than a small electric sedan will allow but then I guess you shouldn't have chosen to be poor or have lots of family members. There's always walking or the bus for the likes of you.
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....because those standards means electric only......
 
glenn1 said:
Yeah if you're willing to basically mandate small electric engine vehicles. Sucks to be you if you live somewhere you can't plug in your car or require more seating than a small electric sedan will allow but then I guess you shouldn't have chosen to be poor or have lots of family members. There's always walking or the bus for the likes of you.
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He lives in Canada, do you know what winter temperatures in Canada do to electric battery vehicles? Yep, nuff said.
 
sandorski said:
....because those standards means electric only......
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imported_tajmahal said:
He lives in Canada, do you know what winter temperatures in Canada do to electric battery vehicles? Yep, nuff said.
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sandorski said:
Moot
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Yet more proof about my earlier point about wishful thinking powering these laws rather than physics and properties of material science as I stated earlier. It's the intentions and the virtue signalling that matter not the reality of achieving their goals and if poors get harmed in doing so that's the price they'll have to bear.
 
glenn1 said:
Yet more proof about my earlier point about wishful thinking powering these laws rather than physics and properties of material science as I stated earlier. It's the intentions and the virtue signalling that matter not the reality of achieving their goals and if poors get harmed in doing so that's the price they'll have to bear.
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Nope. Some vehicles Electric, some Hybrid, some Gas will meet those standards. It's all in balancing out your Vehicle Sales.
 
glenn1 said:
Yet more proof about my earlier point about wishful thinking powering these laws rather than physics and properties of material science as I stated earlier. It's the intentions and the virtue signalling that matter not the reality of achieving their goals and if poors get harmed in doing so that's the price they'll have to bear.
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Do you really think electric cars aren't becoming more affordable? That the range won't improve enough to offset losses from cold temperatures? That the transition to EVs isn't inevitable, especially with self-driving cars virtually requiring EV technology?

This is what drives me up the wall with ignorant arguments like taj's -- it's this odd assertion that we should give up on a solution because it isn't perfect right this second. The whole point of these programs is to push car manufacturers to improve over time, not to expect them to nail absolutely everything right away.
 
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