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[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
How is the cave you're living in?
"Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops to fight an extended war on terrorism while keeping enough well-rested, well-trained troops ready for an emergency," USA Today reported Dec. 12, 2003. A bill has been introduced in the House to increase the size of the Army.

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

you do realize that the army is still making its recruitment quotas right?
also, don't turn this in to a P&N thread with political bullsh!t in it. if we really wanted to talk about more anti-bush/kerry stuff we'd go to p&n.

Send me a link to prove that we are making quotas. I said BUSH one time and you think this is now a political thread? :roll: This is highly relevant to gigapet's decision, because he needs to know that he will be joining at a time where we are in a military shortage at home and abroad. This means that there is a good chance he would be sent abroad, which he needs to take into consideration. On top of this, even if he didn't enlist, he could be drafted because of his age. It's highly relevant to the discussion.

Good Lord, you still believe that draft garbage? You do know it was SOUNDLY defeated in Congress, right (by the tune of 402-2 in the House)?

yup...
and the military is still in a constant state of downsizing now...
more base closures coming this year btw...

 

[SP33Demon]

FWIW giga, I was going to join the Air Nat Guard coming out of college if I couldn't find a good job. I was going to be a meteorologist and do the 8 month training down in FL/MS. This would have been after OCS of course... they said up to 20K could be knocked off of my loans over a span of 3-5 years, on top of regular pay (which wasn't much). Of course then 9/11 hit, and they decided to send call up all of the meteorologists out to Afghanistan, where I wasn't too crazy about going. Then got the kickass job I have now, so that made the decision even easier. All in all, it would have been cool to go through the experience of OCS, my friend said it was alot of fun, the hardest part by far is academic and not physical.

 

[jemcam]

Good Lord, you still believe that draft garbage? You do know it was SOUNDLY defeated in Congress, right (by the tune of 402-2 in the House)?

I was hoping someone would bring this up before I had to. This resolution was primarily to put the rumor to rest, even though both Democrats and Republicans strongly denied anything was in the works whatsoever to reintroduce the draft.

 

[gigapet]

arlight thanks for everyones input....Im sure i'll want to revist the topic again.

have a nice weekend i'm out!

alumni weekend calls! :beer:

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
FWIW giga, I was going to join the Air Nat Guard coming out of college if I couldn't find a good job. I was going to be a meteorologist and do the 8 month training down in FL/MS. This would have been after OCS of course... they said up to 20K could be knocked off of my loans over a span of 3-5 years, on top of regular pay (which wasn't much). Of course then 9/11 hit, and they decided to send call up all of the meteorologists out to Afghanistan, where I wasn't too crazy about going. Then got the kickass job I have now, so that made the decision even easier. All in all, it would have been cool to go through the experience of OCS, my friend said it was alot of fun, the hardest part by far is academic and not physical.

The hardest part of OCS is not academic or physical. It's a mental exercise designed to induce a lot of stress. Most people simply cannot handle it. I guess I should say once again that I am referring to ARMY OCS.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
How is the cave you're living in?
"Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops to fight an extended war on terrorism while keeping enough well-rested, well-trained troops ready for an emergency," USA Today reported Dec. 12, 2003. A bill has been introduced in the House to increase the size of the Army.

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

you do realize that the army is still making its recruitment quotas right?
also, don't turn this in to a P&N thread with political bullsh!t in it. if we really wanted to talk about more anti-bush/kerry stuff we'd go to p&n.

Send me a link to prove that we are making quotas. I said BUSH one time and you think this is now a political thread? :roll: This is highly relevant to gigapet's decision, because he needs to know that he will be joining at a time where we are in a military shortage at home and abroad. This means that there is a good chance he would be sent abroad, which he needs to take into consideration. On top of this, even if he didn't enlist, he could be drafted because of his age. It's highly relevant to the discussion.

wow, here's one.

a little dated, but not bad

and another strait from the horse's mouth

Your second link actually adds validity to my first quote: "In other recruiting news, the Army and the Air National Guard reported that they'd missed their 2004 enlisted recruiting objectives. However, the Army Reserve said it'd likely meet its 2004 recruiting mission. "
My quote: ""Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops..."

So no, not all military quotas were met, particulary the Army. Obviously the bill was defeated (and I stated that the source was slightly outdated from 12/03), but it's also obvious that our country is still worried about a draft or they wouldn't still be asking the pres candidates about their stance on it.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

yup...
and the military is still in a constant state of downsizing now...
more base closures coming this year btw...

Yeah, I work on a military base (Naval), and we are getting hit with BRAC. Funny how they just laid off 1/3 of the contractors/gov workers on this base, yet they had no clue how they going to run it w/out those workers. The personnel and applications they're importing are untrained and incompetent to run the base as efficiently. I guess it's ok if you cut costs, right? lol

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: CVSiN

yup...
and the military is still in a constant state of downsizing now...
more base closures coming this year btw...

Yeah, I work on a military base (Naval), and we are getting hit with BRAC. Funny how they just laid off 1/3 of the contractors/gov workers on this base, yet they had no clue how they going to run it w/out those workers. The personnel and applications they're importing are untrained and incompetent to run the base as efficiently. I guess it's ok if you cut costs, right? lol

STFU already. You've lost credibility because you've been spewing propaganda and pretending to be non-partisan. On top of the fact that you've now admitted you have never served in the military, just as a civilian contractor.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: jemcam

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: CVSiN

yup...
and the military is still in a constant state of downsizing now...
more base closures coming this year btw...

Yeah, I work on a military base (Naval), and we are getting hit with BRAC. Funny how they just laid off 1/3 of the contractors/gov workers on this base, yet they had no clue how they going to run it w/out those workers. The personnel and applications they're importing are untrained and incompetent to run the base as efficiently. I guess it's ok if you cut costs, right? lol

STFU already. You've lost credibility because you've been spewing propaganda and pretending to be non-partisan. On top of the fact that you've now admitted you have never served in the military, just as a civilian contractor.

Times have changed since you were once in the Army, and who gives a flying fck if I'm civilian or not? I still support the Navy WarFighter and our troops, something that you seem to forget. While you're sitting in your comfy rocking chair, posting about how hard it was 20 years ago or whenever YOU were in the Army has little relevance concerning my advice for gigapet to join Navy OCS or the Air National Guard. If you disagree with my political views, then invite me to a P&N thread for discussion, instead of thread crapping in OT. Using terms such as STFU show that you are 60 years old going on 13 with less of an intellectual capacity than that of an ebola ridden chimp on its last leg.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
How is the cave you're living in?
"Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops to fight an extended war on terrorism while keeping enough well-rested, well-trained troops ready for an emergency," USA Today reported Dec. 12, 2003. A bill has been introduced in the House to increase the size of the Army.

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

you do realize that the army is still making its recruitment quotas right?
also, don't turn this in to a P&N thread with political bullsh!t in it. if we really wanted to talk about more anti-bush/kerry stuff we'd go to p&n.

Send me a link to prove that we are making quotas. I said BUSH one time and you think this is now a political thread? :roll: This is highly relevant to gigapet's decision, because he needs to know that he will be joining at a time where we are in a military shortage at home and abroad. This means that there is a good chance he would be sent abroad, which he needs to take into consideration. On top of this, even if he didn't enlist, he could be drafted because of his age. It's highly relevant to the discussion.

wow, here's one.

a little dated, but not bad

and another strait from the horse's mouth

Your second link actually adds validity to my first quote: "In other recruiting news, the Army and the Air National Guard reported that they'd missed their 2004 enlisted recruiting objectives. However, the Army Reserve said it'd likely meet its 2004 recruiting mission. "
My quote: ""Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops..."

So no, not all military quotas were met, particulary the Army. Obviously the bill was defeated (and I stated that the source was slightly outdated from 12/03), but it's also obvious that our country is still worried about a draft or they wouldn't still be asking the pres candidates about their stance on it.

I'm really starting to think (hope) you're drunk right now, because you are making a total idiot out of yourself, especially to those who actaully know what is going on in the military world.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jemcam

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: CVSiN

yup...
and the military is still in a constant state of downsizing now...
more base closures coming this year btw...

Yeah, I work on a military base (Naval), and we are getting hit with BRAC. Funny how they just laid off 1/3 of the contractors/gov workers on this base, yet they had no clue how they going to run it w/out those workers. The personnel and applications they're importing are untrained and incompetent to run the base as efficiently. I guess it's ok if you cut costs, right? lol

STFU already. You've lost credibility because you've been spewing propaganda and pretending to be non-partisan. On top of the fact that you've now admitted you have never served in the military, just as a civilian contractor.

Times have changed since you were once in the Army, and who gives a flying fck if I'm civilian or not? I still support the Navy WarFighter and our troops, something that you seem to forget. While you're sitting in your comfy rocking chair, posting about how hard it was 20 years ago or whenever YOU were in the Army has little relevance concerning my advice for gigapet to join Navy OCS or the Air National Guard. If you disagree with my political views, then invite me to a P&N thread for discussion, instead of thread crapping in OT. Using terms such as STFU show that you are 60 years old going on 13 with less of an intellectual capacity than that of an ebola ridden chimp on its last leg.

Dear god, stop. You lost, just walk away.

 

[amish]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

If you disagree with my political views, then invite me to a P&N thread for discussion, instead of thread crapping in OT.

that's the thing we didn't want politcal views here in the first place. and if i remember you were the one that started bringing it here.

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

i could care less about your political views, but i come to OT to get away from politics

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Using terms such as STFU show that you are 60 years old going on 13 with less of an intellectual capacity than that of an ebola ridden chimp on its last leg.

STFU is an acceptable internet term to get rid of a troll. and i say troll because of the end of your sentence. i bet i can even find you saying it. guess what, i did.

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
More of the same regurgitated responses from the fans of NY. Where were you supporting your team in April and May, I can link the thread if you'd like? Many of you claim to be diehard NY fans but couldn't even name 10 Hall of Famers off the top of your head... this was painfully evident in a thread where I challenged alleged NYY fans not to cheat and look it up, but some admitted they only got 7 or 8. That's just an example of how fairweather NYY fans are, and are frauds.

Funny how many disillusioned NYY fans are to think that they won't be seeing Boston in the playoffs... or how disillusioned they are to wildly proclaim "8.5 games!" when deep down they know head to head a sweep at Fenway has about the chances of a pig growing wings and flying to Mars. Deep down they know they have had a cupcake schedule so far, and barely pulled out a lucky sweep with their absent minded shortstop putting his career in jeapardy for a stupid out. Brave? No. Stupid and haphazard? YES.

July 23-25th. NY sweeps at Fenway I will admit NY is the better team. You name 10 HOF NYYs w/out looking it up and you can relish in the fact that you may actually be one of the few real NYY fans. Until then, stfu bandwagoners!!

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jemcam

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: CVSiN

yup...
and the military is still in a constant state of downsizing now...
more base closures coming this year btw...

Yeah, I work on a military base (Naval), and we are getting hit with BRAC. Funny how they just laid off 1/3 of the contractors/gov workers on this base, yet they had no clue how they going to run it w/out those workers. The personnel and applications they're importing are untrained and incompetent to run the base as efficiently. I guess it's ok if you cut costs, right? lol

STFU already. You've lost credibility because you've been spewing propaganda and pretending to be non-partisan. On top of the fact that you've now admitted you have never served in the military, just as a civilian contractor.

Times have changed since you were once in the Army, and who gives a flying fck if I'm civilian or not? I still support the Navy WarFighter and our troops, something that you seem to forget. While you're sitting in your comfy rocking chair, posting about how hard it was 20 years ago or whenever YOU were in the Army has little relevance concerning my advice for gigapet to join Navy OCS or the Air National Guard. If you disagree with my political views, then invite me to a P&N thread for discussion, instead of thread crapping in OT. Using terms such as STFU show that you are 60 years old going on 13 with less of an intellectual capacity than that of an ebola ridden chimp on its last leg.

Dear god, stop. You lost, just walk away.

I lost the war, yes you're right. Yes it was an epic battle, but the troops just couldn't pull through. :roll:

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
How is the cave you're living in?
"Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops to fight an extended war on terrorism while keeping enough well-rested, well-trained troops ready for an emergency," USA Today reported Dec. 12, 2003. A bill has been introduced in the House to increase the size of the Army.

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

you do realize that the army is still making its recruitment quotas right?
also, don't turn this in to a P&N thread with political bullsh!t in it. if we really wanted to talk about more anti-bush/kerry stuff we'd go to p&n.

Send me a link to prove that we are making quotas. I said BUSH one time and you think this is now a political thread? :roll: This is highly relevant to gigapet's decision, because he needs to know that he will be joining at a time where we are in a military shortage at home and abroad. This means that there is a good chance he would be sent abroad, which he needs to take into consideration. On top of this, even if he didn't enlist, he could be drafted because of his age. It's highly relevant to the discussion.

wow, here's one.

a little dated, but not bad

and another strait from the horse's mouth

Your second link actually adds validity to my first quote: "In other recruiting news, the Army and the Air National Guard reported that they'd missed their 2004 enlisted recruiting objectives. However, the Army Reserve said it'd likely meet its 2004 recruiting mission. "
My quote: ""Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops..."

So no, not all military quotas were met, particulary the Army. Obviously the bill was defeated (and I stated that the source was slightly outdated from 12/03), but it's also obvious that our country is still worried about a draft or they wouldn't still be asking the pres candidates about their stance on it.

I'm really starting to think (hope) you're drunk right now, because you are making a total idiot out of yourself, especially to those who actaully know what is going on in the military world.

Do tell us what is "going on in the military world". Especially when you spout off things like "Either way, joining as an officer will not pay off your loans." which is a crock of sht. The military WILL help pay off your loans as an officer, you need to read up before posting inaccurate statements.

 

[Ranger X]

Pros: Money. You get your 15 minutes of fame -- while wearing an orange jump suit.
Cons: Dismemberment. Disfigurement. Decapitation. Death.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

If you disagree with my political views, then invite me to a P&N thread for discussion, instead of thread crapping in OT.

that's the thing we didn't want politcal views here in the first place. and if i remember you were the one that started bringing it here.

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

i could care less about your political views, but i come to OT to get away from politics

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Using terms such as STFU show that you are 60 years old going on 13 with less of an intellectual capacity than that of an ebola ridden chimp on its last leg.

STFU is an acceptable internet term to get rid of a troll. and i say troll because of the end of your sentence. i bet i can even find you saying it. guess what, i did.

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
More of the same regurgitated responses from the fans of NY. Where were you supporting your team in April and May, I can link the thread if you'd like? Many of you claim to be diehard NY fans but couldn't even name 10 Hall of Famers off the top of your head... this was painfully evident in a thread where I challenged alleged NYY fans not to cheat and look it up, but some admitted they only got 7 or 8. That's just an example of how fairweather NYY fans are, and are frauds.

Funny how many disillusioned NYY fans are to think that they won't be seeing Boston in the playoffs... or how disillusioned they are to wildly proclaim "8.5 games!" when deep down they know head to head a sweep at Fenway has about the chances of a pig growing wings and flying to Mars. Deep down they know they have had a cupcake schedule so far, and barely pulled out a lucky sweep with their absent minded shortstop putting his career in jeapardy for a stupid out. Brave? No. Stupid and haphazard? YES.

July 23-25th. NY sweeps at Fenway I will admit NY is the better team. You name 10 HOF NYYs w/out looking it up and you can relish in the fact that you may actually be one of the few real NYY fans. Until then, stfu bandwagoners!!

Wow, you actually looked up when I said stfu? Get out much? I'm starting a fan club soon, if you'd like to join... :laugh:

Yes stfu is immature, I have used it in sports threads where I have to dumb it down and display a lighter side especially for NYY fans. When debating I try to keep it strictly professional and respect everyone's opinion until attacked, as displayed above.

"i could care less about your political views, but i come to OT to get away from politics" I agree but the election will have a big impact on gigapet's decision so a single statement (among a paragraph of advice) such as "And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected" should not be a big deal. If it bothered you that much, then you should have PMed me, I have no problems with removing it.

The beginning of the trolling: MacBaine - "Just stop talking before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself." Not me buddy.

 

[jemcam]

sp33demon, what you fail to realize is that you're giving inaccurate information and we're calling you out on it. Yet you continue to defend your statements.

Everything I have said is true and I have answered his questions and given my insight based on my experience in the Army. Everything I have stated is true and you have not proven me wrong. All you can say is "times have changed", even though you've never been in the Army and can't prove that anything I have said is not true.

BTW, I'm not 60 years old, and it wasn't 20 years ago when I was in the Army. I was discharged in 1999 and still have many friends here in the CONUS and Iraq that range in rank from Specialists, Junior NCO's, First Sergeants Command Sergeants Major, Warrant Officers and Commissioned Officers that I talk to on a regular basis that I served with all over the world. I think I still have a grip on what's going on in the Army despite my advanced age of 41. Maybe dementia is starting to set in, but I seriously doubt it.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: jemcam
sp33demon, what you fail to realize is that you're giving inaccurate information and we're calling you out on it. Yet you continue to defend your statements.

Everything I have said is true and I have answered his questions and given my insight based on my experience in the Army. Everything I have stated is true and you have not proven me wrong. All you can say is "times have changed", even though you've never been in the Army and can't prove that anything I have said is not true.

BTW, I'm not 60 years old, and it wasn't 20 years ago when I was in the Army. I was discharged in 1999 and still have many friends here in the CONUS and Iraq that range in rank from Specialists, Junior NCO's, First Sergeants Command Sergeants Major, Warrant Officers and Commissioned Officers that I talk to on a regular basis that I served with all over the world. I think I still have a grip on what's going on in the Army despite my advanced age of 41. Maybe dementia is starting to set in, but I seriously doubt it.

Maybe you could clarify what you define as inaccurate information? If you are talking about the draft, that is pure opinion, there is no right or wrong answer. The fact of the matter is that it continues to dominate our media headlines so I wanted gigapet to be aware of it, I'll leave it at that.

I respect the fact that you served, without a doubt. But I fail to see how anything you have said relates to my advice to gigapet about jumping right to Navy OCS because he has a degree? You quoted the process if he was to go through the Army, which is different.

I think it's great that you can offer advice about the Army, and that you are still in touch with friends. I am in daily contact with Naval officers and occasionally the CO of our base, we provide advanced modeling (capacity/spatial analyses) as well as mapping/satellite imagery needs for the WarFighter. Aside from that, one of my best friends just got back from Iraq (Marines) and 2 other close friends just got winged (Navy). These guys are a phone call away so I feel that I can help if gig had some questions that were still unanswered (if he wanted to do Navy/Marines).

 

[jemcam]

If you are talking about the draft, that is pure opinion, there is no right or wrong answer.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL...06/draft.ap/index.html

Doesn't seem like an opinion to me.

I respect the fact that you served, without a doubt. But I fail to see how anything you have said relates to my advice to gigapet about jumping right to Navy OCS because he has a degree? You quoted the process if he was to go through the Army, which is different.

I never saw in the original post where he was looking into Navy OCS. The title of the thread refers to the military, not the Navy.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak


I am very strong mentally.

Ok, do you know when to keep your mouth shut and keep your snide/sarcastic remarks to yourself? I haven't seen too much of that kind of personal restraint from your post history here.

yeah i deffinitely can. I have a different personality offline. I've went to boarding school so the whole respect and order thing is allready somewhat ingrained in me.

as much as you disagree with US Foreign policy the last thing on earth you should be doing is joining the military especially as an officer...
sinec it is your job to make sure your troops keep a positive attitude towards the government and policies you will be enforcing...
You hate the way I think and I am a product of todays military...
so I think you would be better off in the civilain sector or supporting the military though a civilian job where you can maintain your bitterness without having moral issues...

I am a fantastic actor and liar. I can be a leader and lie to myself that I am helping the world. <<joke

Its a job. I have had many jobs i hated but i did them well anyways. This would be no different for me.

EDIT: I have talked with soldiers in IRAQ now that did not agree with the reasons for being there.....they still do there job though. Not every military person has your views.

Dude,
Enlisteds generally are there for short term and alot dont care..... Officers job are to keep them in line..
the Officer corps doesnt need actors or liars... they need leaders that beleive in what we are doing for our country..
other wise stay the fvck out becasue people like you have no business wearing a uniform let alone an officers uniform..

dont disgrace the uniform if you are not 100% into what it is about not just there for a job..
we have more than enough people that want to go for the right reasons that need that spot.

Actually, we don't. The military is in a crisis just getting enlisted, let alone officers. That's why there's so much talk of the draft.

Just stop talking before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself.

We have plenty of people enlisting, far from a crisis by any definition.

The talk of the draft is due to a bunch of idiots in congress who wanted to start trouble.

Stop talking about things of which you have no idea.

How is the cave you're living in?
"Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops to fight an extended war on terrorism while keeping enough well-rested, well-trained troops ready for an emergency," USA Today reported Dec. 12, 2003. A bill has been introduced in the House to increase the size of the Army.

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

yup, older people with families and obligations are now getting blown up.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: jemcam

If you are talking about the draft, that is pure opinion, there is no right or wrong answer.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL...06/draft.ap/index.html

Doesn't seem like an opinion to me.

I respect the fact that you served, without a doubt. But I fail to see how anything you have said relates to my advice to gigapet about jumping right to Navy OCS because he has a degree? You quoted the process if he was to go through the Army, which is different.

I never saw in the original post where he was looking into Navy OCS. The title of the thread refers to the military, not the Navy.

Politicians lie. When a pres candidate says he won't instate a draft could be fact or fiction, many pres's have made promises and then gone back on them. The only fact I see out the link: "At a time that the Army is already struggling to meet recruitment targets..." You can make your own conclusions about that and it may or may not involve anything related to a draft.

Yes, he was looking at all branches of the military. So both of our information is relevant to the discussion since both comprise the "military". So I'm still confused when you say: "What you fail to realize is that you're giving inaccurate information and we're calling you out on it. Yet you continue to defend your statements." Please clarify.

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jemcam
Officers do not get free housing. Enlisted do, but not Officers. Officers also have to pay for their meals, buy their uniforms, etc. Yes, you do get an allowance for it, but it's not enough to cover everything.

What is your degree in? I'm just wondering how you "can go in as an officer" as you put it. I was a former Army officer myself, and the only ones that got direct commisions were doctors, lawyers, chaplains, and a few others, but just having a degree doesn't mean you can go in as an officer in the Army.

I enlisted with a degree, and I got bumped up a couple pay grades to an E3 going in, but as far as being an officer, I had to apply for and complete OCS and my basic branch course before I was an officer.

Short of a basketweaving degree, most people with 4 year bach's and a decent GPA will go straight to OCS. Times have changed.

This is wrong information.

Also, saying that the draft is coming back when legislation was passed yesterday that prevented it is incorrect.

I never entered into the argument about meeting recruitment goals because I can't say with certainty who is correct.

I'm done with this thread, if Gigapet or anyone else wants to ask me about military life from the perspective of having lived it, feel free to PM me.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: jemcam

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jemcam
Officers do not get free housing. Enlisted do, but not Officers. Officers also have to pay for their meals, buy their uniforms, etc. Yes, you do get an allowance for it, but it's not enough to cover everything.

What is your degree in? I'm just wondering how you "can go in as an officer" as you put it. I was a former Army officer myself, and the only ones that got direct commisions were doctors, lawyers, chaplains, and a few others, but just having a degree doesn't mean you can go in as an officer in the Army.

I enlisted with a degree, and I got bumped up a couple pay grades to an E3 going in, but as far as being an officer, I had to apply for and complete OCS and my basic branch course before I was an officer.

Short of a basketweaving degree, most people with 4 year bach's and a decent GPA will go straight to OCS. Times have changed.

This is wrong information.

For the Navy and ANG it is accurate. Don't know about Army however, or AF.

 

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