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[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak


I am very strong mentally.

Ok, do you know when to keep your mouth shut and keep your snide/sarcastic remarks to yourself? I haven't seen too much of that kind of personal restraint from your post history here.

yeah i deffinitely can. I have a different personality offline. I've went to boarding school so the whole respect and order thing is allready somewhat ingrained in me.

as much as you disagree with US Foreign policy the last thing on earth you should be doing is joining the military especially as an officer...
sinec it is your job to make sure your troops keep a positive attitude towards the government and policies you will be enforcing...
You hate the way I think and I am a product of todays military...
so I think you would be better off in the civilain sector or supporting the military though a civilian job where you can maintain your bitterness without having moral issues...

I am a fantastic actor and liar. I can be a leader and lie to myself that I am helping the world. <<joke

Its a job. I have had many jobs i hated but i did them well anyways. This would be no different for me.

EDIT: I have talked with soldiers in IRAQ now that did not agree with the reasons for being there.....they still do there job though. Not every military person has your views.

Dude,
Enlisteds generally are there for short term and alot dont care..... Officers job are to keep them in line..
the Officer corps doesnt need actors or liars... they need leaders that beleive in what we are doing for our country..
other wise stay the fvck out becasue people like you have no business wearing a uniform let alone an officers uniform..

dont disgrace the uniform if you are not 100% into what it is about not just there for a job..
we have more than enough people that want to go for the right reasons that need that spot.

ya alot of enlisted do not share my views.. they are the ones that dont get promoted or get out as soon as thier enlistment is over..
I was a lifer till i blew my back out... and was forced on medical to leave my beloved Navy...
I woulda been a Senior/Master Chief by now if i had been able to continue...

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: MacBaine
There are not very many financial benefits for officers in terms of loan repayment. If you are looking to pay off your loans, you would have to enlist (Hence, not an officer). The Military loan repayment program is an enlisted benefit, along with the GI bill. Unless you plan on going medical that is, in which case there are more options.

Either way, joining as an officer will not pay off your loans.

can you distinguish the difference for me? enlisting vs. going through OCS why would one get the benefit and not the other. Im a military Nooobbbbbbbbbb

The thought behind it is to pretty much get those who would not otherwise be able to pay for college to enlist, and Uncle Sam will pay for their college. People who go officer already have a degree, so why would the Gov. want to pay for that?

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jemcam
Officers do not get free housing. Enlisted do, but not Officers. Officers also have to pay for their meals, buy their uniforms, etc. Yes, you do get an allowance for it, but it's not enough to cover everything.

What is your degree in? I'm just wondering how you "can go in as an officer" as you put it. I was a former Army officer myself, and the only ones that got direct commisions were doctors, lawyers, chaplains, and a few others, but just having a degree doesn't mean you can go in as an officer in the Army.

I enlisted with a degree, and I got bumped up a couple pay grades to an E3 going in, but as far as being an officer, I had to apply for and complete OCS and my basic branch course before I was an officer.

Short of a basketweaving degree, most people with 4 year bach's and a decent GPA will go straight to OCS. Times have changed.

Not in the Army my friend. You still have to sign an enlistment for x number of years, complete Basic and AIT, then when you get to your first assignment you can apply for OCS.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak


I am very strong mentally.

Ok, do you know when to keep your mouth shut and keep your snide/sarcastic remarks to yourself? I haven't seen too much of that kind of personal restraint from your post history here.

yeah i deffinitely can. I have a different personality offline. I've went to boarding school so the whole respect and order thing is allready somewhat ingrained in me.

as much as you disagree with US Foreign policy the last thing on earth you should be doing is joining the military especially as an officer...
sinec it is your job to make sure your troops keep a positive attitude towards the government and policies you will be enforcing...
You hate the way I think and I am a product of todays military...
so I think you would be better off in the civilain sector or supporting the military though a civilian job where you can maintain your bitterness without having moral issues...

I am a fantastic actor and liar. I can be a leader and lie to myself that I am helping the world. <<joke

Its a job. I have had many jobs i hated but i did them well anyways. This would be no different for me.

EDIT: I have talked with soldiers in IRAQ now that did not agree with the reasons for being there.....they still do there job though. Not every military person has your views.

Dude,
Enlisteds generally are there for short term and alot dont care..... Officers job are to keep them in line..
the Officer corps doesnt need actors or liars... they need leaders that beleive in what we are doing for our country..
other wise stay the fvck out becasue people like you have no business wearing a uniform let alone an officers uniform..

dont disgrace the uniform if you are not 100% into what it is about not just there for a job..
we have more than enough people that want to go for the right reasons that need that spot.

perhaps you didnt see the <<joke next to that line about being a liar

i think i'll go ahead and do it out of spite against you.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak


I am very strong mentally.

Ok, do you know when to keep your mouth shut and keep your snide/sarcastic remarks to yourself? I haven't seen too much of that kind of personal restraint from your post history here.

yeah i deffinitely can. I have a different personality offline. I've went to boarding school so the whole respect and order thing is allready somewhat ingrained in me.

as much as you disagree with US Foreign policy the last thing on earth you should be doing is joining the military especially as an officer...
sinec it is your job to make sure your troops keep a positive attitude towards the government and policies you will be enforcing...
You hate the way I think and I am a product of todays military...
so I think you would be better off in the civilain sector or supporting the military though a civilian job where you can maintain your bitterness without having moral issues...

I am a fantastic actor and liar. I can be a leader and lie to myself that I am helping the world. <<joke

Its a job. I have had many jobs i hated but i did them well anyways. This would be no different for me.

EDIT: I have talked with soldiers in IRAQ now that did not agree with the reasons for being there.....they still do there job though. Not every military person has your views.

Dude,
Enlisteds generally are there for short term and alot dont care..... Officers job are to keep them in line..
the Officer corps doesnt need actors or liars... they need leaders that beleive in what we are doing for our country..
other wise stay the fvck out becasue people like you have no business wearing a uniform let alone an officers uniform..

dont disgrace the uniform if you are not 100% into what it is about not just there for a job..
we have more than enough people that want to go for the right reasons that need that spot.

Actually, we don't. The military is in a crisis just getting enlisted, let alone officers. That's why there's so much talk of the draft.

 

[jemcam]

Enlisteds generally are there for short term and alot dont care..... Officers job are to keep them in line..

Okay, now you are really showing your ignorance. Most of the senior enlisted personnel are highly dedicated and very professional. It is the job of the NCO to "keep them in line". Officers are primarily for planning, and administrative stuff. The enlisted side executes the mission does the training, etc. This is a very general explanation, but certainly better than to say "Officer's keep them in line."

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: jemcam

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jemcam
Officers do not get free housing. Enlisted do, but not Officers. Officers also have to pay for their meals, buy their uniforms, etc. Yes, you do get an allowance for it, but it's not enough to cover everything.

What is your degree in? I'm just wondering how you "can go in as an officer" as you put it. I was a former Army officer myself, and the only ones that got direct commisions were doctors, lawyers, chaplains, and a few others, but just having a degree doesn't mean you can go in as an officer in the Army.

I enlisted with a degree, and I got bumped up a couple pay grades to an E3 going in, but as far as being an officer, I had to apply for and complete OCS and my basic branch course before I was an officer.

Short of a basketweaving degree, most people with 4 year bach's and a decent GPA will go straight to OCS. Times have changed.

Not in the Army my friend. You still have to sign an enlistment for x number of years, complete Basic and AIT, then when you get to your first assignment you can apply for OCS.

Ok, I thought you were talking about all of the branches in general. Don't know about the Army, but I know for sure that you can go straight to OCS in the Navy (my friend just did it and got winged 7 days ago).

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak


I am very strong mentally.

Ok, do you know when to keep your mouth shut and keep your snide/sarcastic remarks to yourself? I haven't seen too much of that kind of personal restraint from your post history here.

yeah i deffinitely can. I have a different personality offline. I've went to boarding school so the whole respect and order thing is allready somewhat ingrained in me.

as much as you disagree with US Foreign policy the last thing on earth you should be doing is joining the military especially as an officer...
sinec it is your job to make sure your troops keep a positive attitude towards the government and policies you will be enforcing...
You hate the way I think and I am a product of todays military...
so I think you would be better off in the civilain sector or supporting the military though a civilian job where you can maintain your bitterness without having moral issues...

I am a fantastic actor and liar. I can be a leader and lie to myself that I am helping the world. <<joke

Its a job. I have had many jobs i hated but i did them well anyways. This would be no different for me.

EDIT: I have talked with soldiers in IRAQ now that did not agree with the reasons for being there.....they still do there job though. Not every military person has your views.

Dude,
Enlisteds generally are there for short term and alot dont care..... Officers job are to keep them in line..
the Officer corps doesnt need actors or liars... they need leaders that beleive in what we are doing for our country..
other wise stay the fvck out becasue people like you have no business wearing a uniform let alone an officers uniform..

dont disgrace the uniform if you are not 100% into what it is about not just there for a job..
we have more than enough people that want to go for the right reasons that need that spot.

Actually, we don't. The military is in a crisis just getting enlisted, let alone officers. That's why there's so much talk of the draft.

Just stop talking before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself.

We have plenty of people enlisting, far from a crisis by any definition.

The talk of the draft is due to a bunch of idiots in congress who wanted to start trouble.

Stop talking about things of which you have no idea.

 

[assemblage]

I don't know about repayment of current student loans. I know if you are a doctor or nurse and I'm sure some others such as physical therapist, they do repay those loans. VA Hospitals hires lots of new doctors.

It really depends upon your degree when it comes to joining the military. If you have a History or English degree and don't wish to teach or write, the military can train you in something more marketable and provide a career for you.

Also if you are bored with what you found yourself doing after college, there are more challenging jobs in the military. I considered trying to be a Coast Guard rescue swimmer, but I was to old to enter as an officer and I wasn't going to be enlisted.

The military can also set you up for careers outside of the military. The military is using more and more contractors to provide military services. Those people of course have an interest in exmilitary. There is also, if you've been a good boy or girl, to join the FBI or CIA.

Government jobs give preference to people with military background. Discrimintory yes, but that's the way it is. I wouldn't join the military for this, but it is a perk.

You can retire much earlier from the military than anywhere else and the pension plan is much safer than those of the private sector. It is possible to retire military,then work for the government and retire from that, and then retire after 65. This scenario sets you up with military pension, gov pension, and Social Security and of course all that you've saved in the matching 5% Thrift Savings Plan.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: assemblage

You can retire much earlier from the military than anywhere else and the pension plan is much safer than those of the private sector. It is possible to retire military,then work for the government and retire from that, and then retire after 65. This scenario sets you up with military pension, gov pension, and Social Security and of course all that you've saved in the matching 5% Thrift Savings Plan.

I thought military time and government time were one in the same? IE, you could work for the military for 10 years, then go federal, and have 10 years toward your retirement? This was how it was last I remember... anywhere you know of that explains this?

 

[CVSiN]

go ahead.. you wont make it to the fleet without NJP or a complete washout...
the instructors wont put up with your bs..
bootcamp of any service now still has a 45-50% washout rate as well counting the peeps that get removed for medical... FBI problems that get found during boot... and other administrative BS..
not counting the peeps that get there and realize they cant hack it...

my company was over 80 peeps the first 3 days of boot.. by day 4 when we moved to the companies barracks before anything but admin processing over 20 peeps were booted back home..
then another 20 peeps gone before end of boot camp..

and that was back in the easy boot camp days for the Navy...
now with the new and improved hard boot camp with the gauntlet at the end that has been eliminating another 10-15% that cant hack the up for 3 days under constant stress Odds are good you wont make it anyway.. enjoy yourself in a world of people that think alot like me..

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: assemblage

You can retire much earlier from the military than anywhere else and the pension plan is much safer than those of the private sector. It is possible to retire military,then work for the government and retire from that, and then retire after 65. This scenario sets you up with military pension, gov pension, and Social Security and of course all that you've saved in the matching 5% Thrift Savings Plan.

I thought military time and government time were one in the same? IE, you could work for the military for 10 years, then go federal, and have 10 years toward your retirement? This was how it was last I remember... anywhere you know of that explains this?

not sure bane...
I know my 10 years Navy did not transfer over to NASA when I worked there after I got out.
if so I woulda been able to retire with 5 years at NASA with full benefits beign that the Navy had just put in the 15 year retirement with full benefits..

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
go ahead.. you wont make it to the fleet without NJP or a complete washout...
the instructors wont put up with your bs..
bootcamp of any service now still has a 45-50% washout rate as well counting the peeps that get removed for medical... FBI problems that get found during boot... and other administrative BS..
not counting the peeps that get there and realize they cant hack it...

my company was over 80 peeps the first 3 days of boot.. by day 4 when we moved to the companies barracks before anything but admin processing over 20 peeps were booted back home..
then another 20 peeps gone before end of boot camp..

and that was back in the easy boot camp days for the Navy...
now with the new and improved hard boot camp with the gauntlet at the end that has been eliminating another 10-15% that cant hack the up for 3 days under constant stress Odds are good you wont make it anyway.. enjoy yourself in a world of people that think alot like me..

you make many assumptions about who i am outside this forum. I explained in another trhead my personality on ATOT is about 98% asshole 2% normal

where as in the real world...my personality is about 99% normal and 1% asshole.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak


I am very strong mentally.

Ok, do you know when to keep your mouth shut and keep your snide/sarcastic remarks to yourself? I haven't seen too much of that kind of personal restraint from your post history here.

yeah i deffinitely can. I have a different personality offline. I've went to boarding school so the whole respect and order thing is allready somewhat ingrained in me.

as much as you disagree with US Foreign policy the last thing on earth you should be doing is joining the military especially as an officer...
sinec it is your job to make sure your troops keep a positive attitude towards the government and policies you will be enforcing...
You hate the way I think and I am a product of todays military...
so I think you would be better off in the civilain sector or supporting the military though a civilian job where you can maintain your bitterness without having moral issues...

I am a fantastic actor and liar. I can be a leader and lie to myself that I am helping the world. <<joke

Its a job. I have had many jobs i hated but i did them well anyways. This would be no different for me.

EDIT: I have talked with soldiers in IRAQ now that did not agree with the reasons for being there.....they still do there job though. Not every military person has your views.

Dude,
Enlisteds generally are there for short term and alot dont care..... Officers job are to keep them in line..
the Officer corps doesnt need actors or liars... they need leaders that beleive in what we are doing for our country..
other wise stay the fvck out becasue people like you have no business wearing a uniform let alone an officers uniform..

dont disgrace the uniform if you are not 100% into what it is about not just there for a job..
we have more than enough people that want to go for the right reasons that need that spot.

Actually, we don't. The military is in a crisis just getting enlisted, let alone officers. That's why there's so much talk of the draft.

Just stop talking before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself.

We have plenty of people enlisting, far from a crisis by any definition.

The talk of the draft is due to a bunch of idiots in congress who wanted to start trouble.

Stop talking about things of which you have no idea.

How is the cave you're living in?
"Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops to fight an extended war on terrorism while keeping enough well-rested, well-trained troops ready for an emergency," USA Today reported Dec. 12, 2003. A bill has been introduced in the House to increase the size of the Army.

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

 

[amish]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
How is the cave you're living in?
"Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops to fight an extended war on terrorism while keeping enough well-rested, well-trained troops ready for an emergency," USA Today reported Dec. 12, 2003. A bill has been introduced in the House to increase the size of the Army.

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

you do realize that the army is still making its recruitment quotas right?
also, don't turn this in to a P&amp;N thread with political bullsh!t in it. if we really wanted to talk about more anti-bush/kerry stuff we'd go to p&amp;n.

 

[cchen]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Just stop talking before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself.

We have plenty of people enlisting, far from a crisis by any definition.

The talk of the draft is due to a bunch of idiots in congress who wanted to start trouble.

Stop talking about things of which you have no idea.

Wow.... you really have no idea what you're talking about.

 

Oh please draft me, I need a reason to go to Canada and default on all my loans.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: CVSiN
go ahead.. you wont make it to the fleet without NJP or a complete washout...
the instructors wont put up with your bs..
bootcamp of any service now still has a 45-50% washout rate as well counting the peeps that get removed for medical... FBI problems that get found during boot... and other administrative BS..
not counting the peeps that get there and realize they cant hack it...

my company was over 80 peeps the first 3 days of boot.. by day 4 when we moved to the companies barracks before anything but admin processing over 20 peeps were booted back home..
then another 20 peeps gone before end of boot camp..

and that was back in the easy boot camp days for the Navy...
now with the new and improved hard boot camp with the gauntlet at the end that has been eliminating another 10-15% that cant hack the up for 3 days under constant stress Odds are good you wont make it anyway.. enjoy yourself in a world of people that think alot like me..

you make many assumptions about who i am outside this forum. I explained in another trhead my personality on ATOT is about 98% asshole 2% normal

where as in the real world...my personality is about 99% normal and 1% asshole.

You have already said your political views are the same in the real world...
Politics and being in the military do not mix...

You will LOOSE every aspect of your private life..
you will give up all those Amendemnts and rights you argue here over every single day...
In the military they dont need a warrant or anything else to investigate you or search you for any reason..
You are guilty until proven innocent...
as an officer you would be tasked with doing alot of things that you would nto agree with with your state of mind becasue you do not beleive in the casue...
this is the problem I see for you...

 

[UpGrD]

60 some odd posts and no one has stated the the real reason you should be considering joining the military. (I hope I did not miss anyone)

Its good to serve your country.
If you do end up going in you will find a great many people already in, are there for that reason.
If your sole reason for enlisting is for what the military can do for you, maybe you should stay home.
I dont know if thats the case though..............

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
How is the cave you're living in?
"Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops to fight an extended war on terrorism while keeping enough well-rested, well-trained troops ready for an emergency," USA Today reported Dec. 12, 2003. A bill has been introduced in the House to increase the size of the Army.

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

you do realize that the army is still making its recruitment quotas right?
also, don't turn this in to a P&amp;N thread with political bullsh!t in it. if we really wanted to talk about more anti-bush/kerry stuff we'd go to p&amp;n.

Send me a link to prove that we are making quotas. I said BUSH one time and you think this is now a political thread? :roll: This is highly relevant to gigapet's decision, because he needs to know that he will be joining at a time where we are in a military shortage at home and abroad. This means that there is a good chance he would be sent abroad, which he needs to take into consideration. On top of this, even if he didn't enlist, he could be drafted because of his age. It's highly relevant to the discussion.

 

[gigapet]

ii probably should have asked this right off the bat but...I was diagnosed as ADD when I was 13....will this effect anything.

 

[CVSiN]

hes goign overseas regardless of the war goign on...
I went overseas 6 times in 10 years...
3 years+ at sea..
6 months each deployment.. all normal deployments... this does not count what we call workups.. which are short trainign cruises up to 6 weeks each..
not to mention all the training deployments to other countries or US territories...
US VI/Puerto Rico/ Guam...
This is US Navy sure...
but USAF and USA both deploy even during non war times just like the Navy..
also detachments overseas and to training locations non stop over each year..
the first year I was married I spent less than 2 months total with my wife...
10 months total in training before a deployment..
anyone that joins the military is signing on for this...

This was alot of fun for me personally..
spend time all over the world drinking and partying and having fun all on the tax payers dime..
saw soem great things and had some hellacious parties...
but i was single and young before i got married...
after I got married it was still fun but alot of stress beign that you are leaving your loved one behind..

there is alot to think about before anyone signs those papers..
its not just a job its a life style...

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: UpGrD
60 some odd posts and no one has stated the the real reason you should be considering joining the military. (I hope I did not miss anyone)

Its good to serve your country.
If you do end up going in you will find a great many people already in, are there for that reason.
If your sole reason for enlisting is for what the military can do for you, maybe you should stay home.
I dont know if thats the case though..............

Heh, from the 6th post in the thread:

Most of the folks that make a career of the military aren't there for financial reasons. They have a sense of duty and feel an obligation to serve.

😀

 

[amish]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
How is the cave you're living in?
"Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops to fight an extended war on terrorism while keeping enough well-rested, well-trained troops ready for an emergency," USA Today reported Dec. 12, 2003. A bill has been introduced in the House to increase the size of the Army.

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

you do realize that the army is still making its recruitment quotas right?
also, don't turn this in to a P&amp;N thread with political bullsh!t in it. if we really wanted to talk about more anti-bush/kerry stuff we'd go to p&amp;n.

Send me a link to prove that we are making quotas. I said BUSH one time and you think this is now a political thread? :roll: This is highly relevant to gigapet's decision, because he needs to know that he will be joining at a time where we are in a military shortage at home and abroad. This means that there is a good chance he would be sent abroad, which he needs to take into consideration. On top of this, even if he didn't enlist, he could be drafted because of his age. It's highly relevant to the discussion.

wow, here's one.

a little dated, but not bad

and another strait from the horse's mouth

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
How is the cave you're living in?
"Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops to fight an extended war on terrorism while keeping enough well-rested, well-trained troops ready for an emergency," USA Today reported Dec. 12, 2003. A bill has been introduced in the House to increase the size of the Army.

That was from a year ago, before we sent all of our personnel to Iraq. And if you think people are jumping head over heels to enlist, you're wrong. The prospect of ending up in a desert fighting AQ or insurgents trying to kill you appeals to a very small minority of people. And we aren't going to be leaving Iraq anytime soon if Bush is reelected.

you do realize that the army is still making its recruitment quotas right?
also, don't turn this in to a P&amp;N thread with political bullsh!t in it. if we really wanted to talk about more anti-bush/kerry stuff we'd go to p&amp;n.

Send me a link to prove that we are making quotas. I said BUSH one time and you think this is now a political thread? :roll: This is highly relevant to gigapet's decision, because he needs to know that he will be joining at a time where we are in a military shortage at home and abroad. This means that there is a good chance he would be sent abroad, which he needs to take into consideration. On top of this, even if he didn't enlist, he could be drafted because of his age. It's highly relevant to the discussion.

Good Lord, you still believe that draft garbage? You do know it was SOUNDLY defeated in Congress, right (by the tune of 402-2 in the House)?