E-Day; The Fifth Of November, How Long Will It Be?

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K1052

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Expecting the worst tomorrow. Democrats knew Biden was washed and should have gotten him out of this election a year ago so they could run a real primary and get a candidate who could have won. Last facade of our Potemkin democracy dies tomorrow.

I'm not entirely sure that a longer campaign would have benefitted Harris and I think not having a potentially damaging primary is actually an asset in this case. Anyway the switch was successful by about every metric you can measure of before seeing the actual votes. If it's enough to overcome the anti-incumbency tide that is happening globally remains to be seen.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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I'm not entirely sure that a longer campaign would have benefitted Harris and I think not having a potentially damaging primary is actually an asset in this case. Anyway the switch was successful by about every metric you can measure of before seeing the actual votes. If it's enough to overcome the anti-incumbency tide that is happening globally remains to be seen.
Harris shouldn't have been the nominee. Shapiro or Witmer would have been far superior since they would take the rust belt and the rust belt plus safe states gets you to 270.
 

K1052

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Harris shouldn't have been the nominee. Shapiro or Witmer would have been far superior since they would take the rust belt and the rust belt plus safe states gets you to 270.

Everyone has their favorite shadow nominee who would obviously be running away with the election vs Trump from our perspective. Only problem with that is that it's really likely not true.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Everyone has their favorite shadow nominee who would obviously be running away with the election vs Trump from our perspective. Only problem with that is that it's really likely not true.
No one voted for Harris in the 2020 primaries. Now I'm supposed to believe she was the best candidate because the same party leaders who stuck us with Clinton in 2016 thought so?
 

SteveGrabowski

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wow, politicians making political decisions

Have you heard of politics?
That's what I'm pissed about. The DNC knew Biden was a trainwreck but kept insisting he'd beat Trump until it was too late and then they get their handpicked candidate that none of us liked in 2020 and none of us voted for then but now she's supposed to be the one to drive turnout?
 
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K1052

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That's what I'm pissed about. The DNC knew Biden was a trainwreck but kept insisting he'd beat Trump until it was too late and then they get their handpicked candidate that none of us liked in 2020 and none of us voted for then but now she's supposed to be the one to drive turnout?

This is not like 2016 in any perceptible way from a partisan voting enthusiasm perspective.

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I'm not entirely sure that a longer campaign would have benefitted Harris and I think not having a potentially damaging primary is actually an asset in this case. Anyway the switch was successful by about every metric you can measure of before seeing the actual votes. If it's enough to overcome the anti-incumbency tide that is happening globally remains to be seen.

So you're saying Trump is saying Biden ran pass interference?

Man we've gone from the Immaculate Reception to the Immaculate Interference!

Interesting how both times it was Harris saving the day!
 

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My attitude is that whatever happens, I will accept the results and adjust my priorities accordingly because I did my part to speak my piece through my ballot and there's not much else I can do except to trust the process and hope for the best outcome.

As in 2016, I accepted the fact the the people had spoken and come what may, it's what we as a nation deserved. That lessons weren't learned by the Republicans from Trump's disastrous term in office given how close the race is now is disheartening, yet there they are millions upon millions of Americans doubling down on stubborn stupid because they want a win a whole lot more than they want good government as we've had since Biden got on the saddle.

Back in '16, as well as '20 and '22, the alarm bells from the Reds were screaming bloody murder about how the nation was doomed and how the country would be a glowing ash heap should any Democrat win anywhere, yet here we are, with my investments doing well, life going on as it does and I see no ash heap as Trump and the Reds had foretold over and over and over again. All bullshit, nothing happening the way they kept/keep promising it would except in their emotionally driven brain fucked Trump infected addled minds.

So here we are again, yet this time around the Democrats have learned much about how to deal with the chicanery and crimes the Reds have perped since Trump and his sycophant corporate lackeys took over the party, while the Red party has learned nothing about living in reality, choosing to live in fantasy land where a moronic convicted felon and adulterating sex abusing liar who promises to trash our beloved Constitution and replace it with HIMSELF as Dictator-in-Chief is what's best for the rest of us. I mean really? WTF?

What could go wrong I wonder. Yet I still do trust in the way we choose how we are to be led and keep that in mind knowing that a repeat of '16 is definitely possible, just not as much as back then.
 
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I'm not entirely sure that a longer campaign would have benefitted Harris and I think not having a potentially damaging primary is actually an asset in this case. Anyway the switch was successful by about every metric you can measure of before seeing the actual votes. If it's enough to overcome the anti-incumbency tide that is happening globally remains to be seen.
Makes me yearn for the UK type laws about campaigning.
 

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Harris shouldn't have been the nominee. Shapiro or Witmer would have been far superior since they would take the rust belt and the rust belt plus safe states gets you to 270.
I don't think you're wrong about Harris if there had been an open primary. She has outperformed expectations these past few months, and I'm cautiously optimistic but also prepared for the worst. Trump has also degraded in real time, so to speak. I don't know what to make of the polls, but we're dangerously close to losing this one.

I was happy that Biden stepped aside because he was sunk, and I'm happy to vote for Harris. But I won't sit here and say she was the best person we had available. Actually, my comments some 9 months ago were that she would flat out lose a general election to Trump, but I hope I'm wrong this time.

It's just an uphill battle for a "SF liberal" to win in far more moderate places, and then Harris has to deal with people's ingrained racism and misogyny. So I also scoff when people suggest that Gavin Newsom is our next great hope (but at least he's not a minority woman).
 

SteveGrabowski

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As in 2016, I accepted the fact the the people had spoken and come what may, it's what we as a nation deserved.
The people chose Clinton; the electoral college chose Trump. The people were silenced by an election system working as designed, namely, to subvert the will of the people in favor of the will of the elites. Americans did not deserve Trump.
 

Dave_5k

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Good or worst, when will we know?
Here's when to expect results in each state. (Michigan was Wed. in 2020, and likely to be Wed. again, maybe before end of day.)

PA, if really close, could take days just like Nev/Ariz will. If it comes down to those 3 states, which is likely, and they are close, which is likely, it might be 3-4 days before we have a winner known ~ barring extreme MAGA insurrectionist actions like burning down election offices with the votes inside (which is, sadly, a realistic possibility) that could extend the timing further.

Of course Trump will announce victory before the polls close, no matter the actual vote, so if that's what you're waiting for, can go to bed before the polls close...
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Thanks to NYTimes, who keep sending me offers to resubscribe.
 
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Lifer
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The people chose Clinton; the electoral college chose Trump. The people were silenced by an election system working as designed, namely, to subvert the will of the people in favor of the will of the elites. Americans did not deserve Trump.
I'm so fucken sick and tired of that statement being casually tossed around in this forum. The 50% of us that don't vote for DJT deserve his shit sandwich because of the millions of morons that also vote? Utter stupidity.
 
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I guess if GA and NC both go blue it should be an early night.
Not likely at all, unless there's a large blue wave. PA is the most likely tipping point state; Dems can't win without it, and it probably won't be called for a couple days. @Dave_5k already explained it above.

Nate Silver said there are low probabilities of either candidate winning the EC comfortably, but those are still unlikely events out of all possible outcomes.
 
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I'm still of the opinion that Harris is better for this particular cycle, with reproductive health/rights being such a huge issue.

Men can make arguments in favor, but it hold a lot more wight coming from a woman. I doubt you'd see as big a shift in the way women are leaning if it had been Shapiro or whomever.