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Dynamic IP + DynDns for small business?

agibby5

agibby5

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I'm working with a very small company looking to cut costs anywhere they can.

They're looking to switch to Verizon FIOS from a T1 for the speeds and cheaper prices. They serve a small user base a website from an internal server. Currently the users access the site via the IP address. Anyway, can they go with a dynamic IP when they sign up for FIOS? They're using a router that can update automatically to DynDns. I'd assume that going forward, they can tell their users to access the website with the domain that associated with the DynDns account. Is this all correct? I don't want to incorrectly advise anyone.

Thanks.
 
That is all correct. It does open them up to outages however should their IP address change before the DynDNS can update, or whenever DynDNS is down. This isn't a 100% uptime solution, so that is something that should be kept in mind. If Verizon sells static IP addresses for a reasonable price, I'd highly recommend they shell out the extra couple of dollars for one.
 
How important is the user's ability to access the website? If it's very important, then no, it's not a valid option. There will inevitably be times when the domain doesn't get updated or when that update takes several minutes or hours to propagate. If the sole purpose of the company is the website, then they need something with the stability of a T1 and they need static IP addresses. It all depends on how much downtime the users can tolerate.
 
Yep, Drebo is correct. There's a reason business services cost more than residential. Residential can tolerate downtime more. Just because the company is looking to save money, don't go cheap in areas that need business solutions (aka, static IP address for a customer website) Going to FIOS (as long as it's a business connection) isn't a bad idea but don't skimp on the static IP if they have a customer website that people need to get to. Definitely get a static IP and associate a website with that, and give that to the customers.
 
You also need to know if the Verizon FIOS blocks inbound TCP Port 80. A quick search indicates that it does, at least for non-business accounts. But I've never seen a non-static-IP business account. Those are usually limited to home-type accounts.

Example: DSL Reports
But that one is an old report, and certainly doesn't apply to "Business FIOS".

Wikipedia about Verizon FIOS:

"Port blocking
Although the official Terms of Service (TOS) do not specify any exact blocked ports, the language does suggest that, at a minimum, incoming port 80 and outgoing port 25 may in fact be blocked. Section 4.3 of the TOS lays out restrictions on use, stating that the customer may not host any type of server, resell the connection, "exceed the bandwidth usage limitations that Verizon may establish from time to time," or use the connection for "high volume purposes." (What constitutes "high volume" is not defined.) Attachment B Section 2.2, titled "Email Security", states that Verizon reserves the right to block "selected ports".[5]
Business FiOS service is available in some areas, with higher upload speeds, static IP addresses and no blocked ports (for the static IP option)."

Based upon this, I'd guess that any Verizon FIOS account with non-static IP is likely to have some ports blocked.
 
I do not know about the FIOS service but on DSL Verizon blocks port 80.

There are good Hosting services for less than $5 a month.

If a business can not endure such cost it might as well be closed down.

I am using this for years and have No problems.

http://www.dixiesys.com/
 
Business account verizon does not block port 80 but I wouldn't recommend any business not having a business internet account. Yes it costs extra but come on....
 
Originally posted by: JackMDS
I do not know about the FIOS service but on DSL Verizon blocks port 80.

There are good Hosting services for less than $5 a month.

If a business can not endure such cost it might as well be closed down.

I am using this for years and have No problems.

http://www.dixiesys.com/
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Web hosting is easy to find, yes. However, the webpage users go to may be a front-end for an application that runs on an internal business server. If that's the case, then a third-party host isn't going to be an option.

Overall, you need a static IP. Switching to FIOS or DSL from a T1 in and of itself will save money. Static IPs aren't that much more than the standard business account. Also, if money isn't a concern and they just want faster internet, you could look at bonding multiple T1s together.
 
if they want to save money, use dsl and up the speed to the highest they can get. make sure they get a static ip, and put a firewall/pix/asa on the other side of the router/modem. then switch it out and be done. thats the best cheapest way to do it. if dsl is not an option, you need to tell them they need a t1 dedicated line and be done with it. simple as that.
 
Actually if FIOS is available, I'd go that option rather than DSL (Better technology) If FIOS is available, yes, ditch the T1 and go FIOS. DSL can present it's own problems for a business, especially compared to FIOS as fiber optic connections statistically have less issues overall.
 
Originally posted by: drebo
Originally posted by: JackMDS
I do not know about the FIOS service but on DSL Verizon blocks port 80.

There are good Hosting services for less than $5 a month.

If a business can not endure such cost it might as well be closed down.

I am using this for years and have No problems.

http://www.dixiesys.com/
Click to expand...

Web hosting is easy to find, yes. However, the webpage users go to may be a front-end for an application that runs on an internal business server. If that's the case, then a third-party host isn't going to be an option.

Overall, you need a static IP. Switching to FIOS or DSL from a T1 in and of itself will save money. Static IPs aren't that much more than the standard business account. Also, if money isn't a concern and they just want faster internet, you could look at bonding multiple T1s together.
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I haven't priced Business-level FIOS. While it depends on the particular market and exact location, the common options for doing what you want to do are Business DSL, Business Cable, Business FIOS, and T1.

T1 is a LOT more expensive than the other options. It likely comes with a guaranteed uptime. In my experience, it hasn't been any more reliable than Business DSL or Business Cable. I've had just as many long-term outages from my T1 customers as my others. If you get Business DSL, make sure you aren't beyond 15,000 feet or so from the Telco's Central Office, and double-check the error rate and actual througput.

If you want to save money, get Business DSL, Business Cable, or Business FIOS. All with a single static IP address. Your local options may be limited.
 
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