DVD replaced VHS will anything replace DVD

[Jerboy]

<< Im not saying totally but its on its way out and DVD will stand for a while when if anything will take the place of the DVD? if so what I thought it was an apparent question within the statement >>




For that to happen:

Must be reliable as VHS

Capable of recording and can do 2hrs in SP, 6hrs in SLP

The recordable media should not cost more than $2

Once the disc is in the drive, the drive must be easy to use as VHS. What about when take something out without rewinding so you can watch it later?

durable as VHS tape

The beauty of VCR, Video Cassette Recorder is that it can record.

 

[Superdoopercooper]

Well, I think the next thing in the immediate future is the Hi-Def (or Super as some may call it) DVD. This will have a 720-line progressive or 1080-line interlaced format (probably the latter)... instead of the 480-lines that is now. So, the Picture out will be HDTV quality. <homer> ... uhhhhhhhh... Mmmmmm... HDTV.... [drools] </homer>

After that, I think they'll move to some higher capacity crazy format... where there won't be need for MPEG compression... so we'll get even better video/audio quality, and you'll be able to fit a TRILOGY on one disc... and they'll probably be interactive discs or whatever the medium is... But that is just a guess. Who would have ever thought they would have put a movie on a VHS tape... then a CD sized disc. An what next?? I can't wait to see.

 

[KentState]

<< probably hd dvd, normal dvds can't handle hdtv yet probably be backwards compatible since thats easy wtih discs anyways >>



I swore that The Fith Element was already encoded in HD-TV format. It was suppose to be the first and probably only one to this date to take advantage of HD-TV. I think they called it Superbit technology or something like that.

Here's a link from CDNOW which is only a movie review. I really couldn't find anything else on the net about Superbit at this time.

 

[Superdoopercooper]

Superbit is NOT HD quality. Yes, it is a slight improvement over regular DVD.. but its still limited to 480P. I just uses less MPEG Compression and filtering, so there is less detail lose in the video transfer.

There is a good review in the most recent "Stereophile Guide to Home Theater" or "Home Theater". Cannot remember which... cuase I get both.

 

[Foxymophandle]

In an effort to drum up more revenue, Sony has announced plans to announce their new movie encoding and delivery format. Simply called 'BetaMax', this new format will replace all your cumbersome DVD piles, with stream lined piles of cassettes. It will revolutionize the industry!

fmh

 

[LiQiCE]

Current DVD Technology only stores the information in 480p (aka 640x480 Non-Interlaced). That is the lowest resolution for HDTV. No DVDs today, even SuperBit ones store the information in a resolution high enough to display the image in 720p or 1080i. Superbit usually just encodes the video at a higher bit-rate to reduce artifacts and the like on the DVD (sortof like encoding an MP3 at 192kbps versus 128kbps, the MP3 now takes up more space so you cant have as many extras, but the songs themselves will sound better).

The next form of DVDs usually referred to as HD-DVDs is only a few years away (maybe 5 years or so?) from hitting the market. The biggest leap-hurdle right now is getting the red laser (which is what HD-DVDs will use to get more space out of a disc) to read normal CDs and DVDs which use larger pits than an HD-DVD (at least the last time I checked up on the technology, this was the problem, it may have been solved by now). So even though a new format will be hitting the market soon, it will be backwards compatible with DVDs still ... So no big worries for people with 300+ DVD libraries . This is what Lucas had originally said he was waiting for before he would release the original Star Wars Trilogy to DVD.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

im surprised nobodys mentioned it, but there is a higher resolution dvd format coming out in the next couple of years. This will put dvd's on a level of quality higher than even HDTV. Beyond dvd's, we will probably have discs with massive storage capacity so we would store an entire movie almost uncompressed.

 

[Joyride]

The only way I get rid/upgrade my DVD player is when they have DVD-RW so I can use it like a VCR.

 

[Jerboy]

It sure looks like alot of you guys are only interested in read-only DVD's. Recordable and reusable doesn't ring a bell anymore?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, we have to distinguish between possibility and probability here. Within 20 or so years, you might see holographic storage become common. You could store all written knowlege on a cube you could hold in your hand. Now, will that happen? Almost no chance, and for the same reason that we aren't talking about recordable DVD's in the past tense. That would be organizations like the RIAA and legislation like the Digital Copywrite Act. Any new potentially recordable technology is going to be stragled by lawyers in it's crib, or at least maimed into something relatively useless.

 

[killmeplease]

<< I'd guess FD-ROMs. Fluorescent data storage, 160 GB per disc. But who knows if they'll be used to replace DVDs, since 160 GB to store a movie just seems like overkill to me. >>




Ding Ding Ding...................That is the correct answer. (IMO)

 

[FelixDeCat]

Silly people. The future is 8 TRACK dvds.

 

[Nefrodite]

main problem with recordable dvds is that they are single layered right now.. not enough space for much. recorders don't use vbr either right? arg.

 

[pulse8]

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<< Current DVD is easily the best quality consumer format to date, but (as a comparison)it's still about 1/4th the quality of miniDV. >>



Umm... I have no idea where you heard that statistic. Unless I am mistaken, miniDV (that popular digital video camcorder format) has less resolution and is of lower quality than MPEG-2 DVD. >>



The DV Codec is higher quality than mpeg2. A 2 hour DV movie is probably in the neighborhood of 25GB. It's not compressed nearly the same amount as mpeg2.

On that same note, I'm wondering if DV will ever become cheap enough to replace VHS as the current recording method for home use. DVD-R is fine, but I think DV would be a much better solution to home recording of live broadcasts.

Anyway, as for movies you'll buy at the store, I think they will come up with some way to fit more information on the same disc and then mpeg2 will change into some other format to bring the movies closer to uncompressed video and the audio will get better and I'm sure they'll start to put more extras on the discs.

 

[yellowperil]

I think DVD will be replaced when the majority of households move from tube TV's to HDTVs (not for another 6-7 years I think). Maybe then we'll have a digital medium that rivals theater film quality.

 

[pulse8]

There are tube HDTVs. It's a standard, not a type of display.

And it will be a VERY long time before we have film-quality formats in our homes. It's been over 100 years since in the invention of motion pictures and we're just now developing other ways of shooting it and projecting it.

 

[StevenYoo]

just you wait guys... BETA's gonna make a HUGE comeback! I got my beta player ALL ready for its coming.

 

[BigToque]

<< And it will be a VERY long time before we have film-quality formats in our homes. It's been over 100 years since in the invention of motion pictures and we're just now developing other ways of shooting it and projecting it. >>



I don't know about that...

It took like 25 years to get to 1GHz CPU's, and 1 year to get to 2GHz... (I don't know the real numbers, but between ~1975-(1999-2000) we were working to get to 1ghz or close to it)

HD-DVD will be the next big thing. HDTV is the next big type of TV, so it makes sense to have a video format that takes advantage of this new technology and that is exactly what HD-DVD does (it would be nice if it could produce a 1080p signal though .

 

[pulse8]

The invention and progression of the CPU is different.

Film is a natrual process. It has no digital aspects to it at all.

What they are trying to do now is recreate film in a digital form. To me this is almost like recreating the human brain, but on a much smaller scale. Recreating film isn't just about matching resolutions, film is a grain structure that occurs naturally and is very very difficult to reproduce in a digital fashion.

 

[BigToque]

<< The invention and progression of the CPU is different.

Film is a natrual process. It has no digital aspects to it at all.

What they are trying to do now is recreate film in a digital form. To me this is almost like recreating the human brain, but on a much smaller scale. Recreating film isn't just about matching resolutions, film is a grain structure that occurs naturally and is very very difficult to reproduce in a digital fashion. >>



oh, ok. I don't really know anything about it, but I thought it might be similar.

 

[LethalWolfe]

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<< Current DVD is easily the best quality consumer format to date, but (as a comparison)it's still about 1/4th the quality of miniDV. >>



Umm... I have no idea where you heard that statistic. Unless I am mistaken, miniDV (that popular digital video camcorder format) has less resolution and is of lower quality than MPEG-2 DVD. >>




miniDV has greater resolution and a data transfer rate of 25 megabits per second. DVD has a data transfer rate of 8-9 megabits per second (DVD can go as high as 11 megabits per second, but you rarely see that).


Lethal

 

[Nefrodite]

well isn't the prob with minidv that its constant bitrate? it needs the extra space i always read about how dvds need to be fine tuned compression.. so it doesn't seem that we have an automated process for dvd level vbr yet

 

[Sugadaddy]

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<< Current DVD is easily the best quality consumer format to date, but (as a comparison)it's still about 1/4th the quality of miniDV. >>



Umm... I have no idea where you heard that statistic. Unless I am mistaken, miniDV (that popular digital video camcorder format) has less resolution and is of lower quality than MPEG-2 DVD. >>




I don't know what resolution miniDV is, but it's ~25Mbps if I remember correctly, while DVD is 720x480 mpeg2 with variable bitrate between 2 and 10Mbps. So at the same resolution, MiniDV should be superior.




<< main problem with recordable dvds is that they are single layered right now.. not enough space for much. recorders don't use vbr either right? arg. >>



If you want to have real VBR, you need to do 2 pass encoding at least. First pass checks the movie and rmembers what frames need the most bitrate, then second pass encodes it.

One pass VBR exists, but it sucks and is kind of useless since it's just trying to guess the needed bitrate. You're better off just using a higher constant bitrate.

 

[Nefrodite]

argh, well that just sucks then, we gotta wait for hd-dvd rw's b4 theres enuph space to record dvd level. that or use mini dv tapes. minidv tapes are like 10GB atleast right?