Duron or C2 for my new ships ?

[LeBlatt]

I'm buying 2 new systems and should have more to come soon.
Rencently I'd have bought celeries eyes closed since I'm pleased with my C566@850 on BE6-2.
But now I seriously consider going duron.

First system will probably be duron 700 on Asus A7V. What should I typically get from this (FSB, multiplier), are there different series (locked/unlocked/unlockable) ?

Second system will have a more basic mainboard (low cost) as DFI CA61 if celly, or DFI AK74 if duron.
Which one should I go for to expect best performance. It will be the model for future additions.

Thx for input, especially on the duron side.

 

[dennilfloss]

I think that to make your duron overclockable, you need to link some connectors, as mentioned in Anand's latest review of the 1.2GHz Thunderbird and 800MHz duron. You should also check his review of the new Abit mobo. More info in there.

 

[sciencewhiz]

I can only tell you what I have read, but based of Anand's review of the C2 and duron here is the info I have garnered.

Both are highly overclockable, the durons, with good cooling, can get to the 900-950 range. It is generally very hard to raise the FSB which tops out at around 110mhz. You can get Durons that are currently being manufactured are multiplier locked, but it is very simple to unlock them with the pencil trick.

As for performance, the duron kills the c2 in almost all synthetic benchmarks (rc5 included). In most common real-world benchmarks duron is almost always faster than the c2

 

[RC]

I have a six-node crack rack with Duron 700s.

They reliably run RC5/OGR at 900 to 1000 MHZ.

There will be a couple of less expensive socket A boards on the market very soon that have the multiplier dipswitch. Keep a look out for them.

I would recommend the Duron over the Celeron. The only downside is the current cost of socket A mobos that support a multiplier dipswitch.

Hope this info helps.

I did notice on Tom's Hardware review of the Duron 800 that he states that the Duron 800 is the first Duron that can reliably hit 1.0 GHZ. Other sites claim that the OC potential of the Duron 800 is no better than the 700.

I wish I had about 6 Duron 800s so I could find out for myself - LOL!!

 

[Russ]

<< Other sites claim that the OC potential of the Duron 800 is no better than the 700. >>



In this case, I think the other sites are correct. I really don't see this changing unless/until the Duron is fabbed with copper. From my experience, there is also no difference in o/c ability between the 600Mhz and 700Mhz parts. Both hit the 900 to 950 range with ease, and some will hit the 1Ghz mark.

Russ, NCNE

 

[office boy]

lets see
Celeron2 533@800 average time 8hr
Duron 600@1081 average time 4hr
Draw your own conclusions...
Also have a look at Lambchops benchmark results for 3.0

 

[TOOCOOL]

you might want to check out anand's latest mobo review on the
Microstar K7T Pro2 KT133 Socket-A ATX it looks real good to me!

 

[office boy]

there was a microATX Epox that i've seen for under $100

 

[blade47]

Office Boy

TLC's page says a Celeron2-533@927 completes a wu in 3:40. Do the Celermine times vary that much? I'd really like to know what would be the most cost efficient setup for a seti crackrack. Just in case someone wanted to build one.

I was thinking a Celermine 566 &amp; the $25 Tekram mobos would be hard to beat for seti when comparing price/performance but if they take 8hrs to complete the average wu then I'll drop them from my list of possible cpus.

 

[office boy]

The $25 tekram's will only go up to 83Mhz, But them and some C2 will probably still give best bang for buck...
Are these crack rack only? or will people be using them too?

 

[blade47]

If I do get these they will be strictly crackrack and nothing else. I can't decide what would be best to get. These are the combinations I'm considering:

$25 Tekram LX mobo &amp; C2-566@706mhz
Total don't have time to look up

$25 Tekram LX mobo &amp; $62 Celery-366@457mhz with slocket, hs/fan
Total $87 + shipping on mobo

$60 BX mobo &amp; P3-500e@690mhz
Total don't have time to look up

$60 BX mobo &amp; $62 Celery-366@550 with slocket, hs/fan
Total $122 shipped

 

[office boy]

Id say get the first one....

actually wait, Can you run without video cards?
because tekram has those i810's that have built in video, and they will run a celeron2 (under 600mhz)

 

[ViRGE]

It's reccomend the Duron, you can probably get it to a higher clock speed, and it's RC5 multiplier is higher.

 

[blade47]

Office Boy the last time I checked the only 810 mobos Tekram had were around $49. They haven't had the ones for $29 in awhile. It still might work out to be cheaper depending on how cheap I could find some video cards for the LX's.

Assim1 is getting around 6.7hrs average with his 366@550mhz after 23wu's. What could I expect the celery2 566@706 to do them in?

 

[RC]

I expect we will see more reports of overclockers reaching 1000 and above now that the 800 has been released.

The Vcore of the 800 is not higher than its predecesssor which leads me to believe that the Duron 800 is indeed a speed upgrade and not simply a step up in overclocking.

I would say that with the 600 you are more likely to reach a speed in the range of 900 to 950. With the 700 you are more likely to reach the 950 to 1000 range. Now that AMD has decided to drop sales of the 600, the ability to reach 1000 with the 600 will soon become a moot point.

overclockers.com has a fairly large database supported by its members that allows one to view the maximum OC reached for a given CPU. I will be watching to see what numbers are reported for the 800. Since the 800 is not copper reaching speeds of 1100+ is not very likely.

The new core for the Duron (aka Morgan ?) will allow for a cooler core and more headroom for overclocking. AMD has never promised the extremely tiny percentage of its end users known as overclockers that they will always support the ability to OC via multiplier settings. So whether Morgan will be OC'able is yet to be seen.

 

[ElFenix]

office boy, the p3 is definitely the fastest... i guess divide dollars by wu's per day or something and you'll get bang for the buck.

 

[SilverBack]

Well I'm pretty much all AMD cpu's now with the exception of the P3 733@803.
A Duron 600 with the V.3.0 GUI averages.. 6:27 per WU
A Duron 900 .......... 4:58 per WU
A Tbird 900........... 4:42 per WU
A Tbird at 1GHZ....... 4:35 per WU
A P2 803........... 5:22 per WU

I don't know if that helps or not.
However I buy alot of stuff from MWave... Right now they have 650MHz Duron and KT7 combo's for $198 which is a great oc'ing deal....

 

[Hellburner]

celery2 566@706 ===> ~5:15 average based on Assimilator1's numbers with best times on fast work units of about 4:40.

 

[office boy]

SilverBack, you times are a bit slow... what is your memory running at?

 

[Dale]

OB <they will run a celeron2 (under 600mhz) >
is there a reason you added the under 600 part??

LeBlatt if you dont mind paying for the MBs the Duron is the way to go.. I just got a Duron 600 . so I dont really have Duron experience.. but from what I read last night any of the recent batches
should do the same, if mine does 900 I'll be more than satisfied..

l8r
Dale

 

[office boy]

Yes There is..
Read this.
and ignore the part where I get all pissed (sometimes I feel like being a bastard )

 

[Dale]

OB well I tried to read it all.. I did read the things you wrote.. but I had to skip a lot of the others ; )

I respect your opinion is why I asked, I have 2( which I got based on your comments when this first came up a couple of months ago) both are on 566s
and the guys I work with bought 4 more.. my curosity is raised though
if you say it will not work with the 633 I wont bother, but I am tempted to crawl in the floor and put a 633 in to see??

thanks

Dale

 

[SilverBack]

The memory on 3 of the systems is PC133 at CAS2, but all the pc's are in use. Actually I think the times are pretty good considering that fact.

 

[office boy]

Dale, Read the post's by Eug.

SilverBack, you have 4-way interleave on? (is it possible?) That gives a huge performance boost.

 

[SilverBack]

On the KT7 systems yes I do