Duron generation 2

[bot2600]

I have a question. I run a dual Duron 850 right now. The new Duron runs at 1.3 gig for 83$ The original socket A thunderbird @1.3 is also 83$. Will the second generation duron work SMP? If so, would I be better off with 2nd generation Duron, or first generation Athlon? I know the athlons would need more juice, but I have a 500 watt PS in my case atm....Hmmm, but there are also 3 video cards, a 30 gig hard drive, 2 40 gig hard drives and a DVD/ReWriter combo drive, sound card and nic.

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[daweasel]

I would vote duron. It'll run cooler, better chance of an overclock and I think it's probably a touch bit faster.

 

[Def]

The 1.3Ghz Duron still uses Aluminum interconnects(Austin FAB), so OCin' is not looking so good(maybe 1.45Ghz or a little more with luck???). The Athlon will probably be better there.

Of course, the new Duron has SSE and data prefetch, so performance is really really surprising on memory intensive tasks like Seti@Home.

Case in point, built a system on an MSI nForce board and a Duron 1Ghz for a friend. The whole setup was pretty cheap, and it is pretty d@mn fast. His average S@H time is around 5hrs 10 mins, while my P3-933@980(140Mhz FSB) gets an average time of 6hrs 45 mins. Both systems are running ram at CAS2, and his setup is NOT overclocked. Runs pretty cool(mid 40's C full load) with just a Thermaltake Volcano 6Cu with the quieter fan on it.

Hope that info helps ya out!

Defster

 

[bot2600]

I am not real worried about overclocking. All of my other systems are overclocked, but this is my development workstation, so no tinkering.

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[BurntKooshie]

No tinkering implies (to me at least) that you're not willing to run things "out of spec". Running either an Athlon, or a Duron (unless it is an Athlon MP) in dual processor mode is "out of spec," so I'm not sure where you stand....

Tehnically Celeron's could do the SMP dance easily (note the infamous BP6), but it wasn't at all certified by Intel. So which way do you swing?

 

[JHutch]

Well, in my opinion, Celerons and Durons aren't "out of spec" for dual operation, not because they can't or shouldn't do it, but rather because Intel and AMD have other chips (with better profit margins) for those applications and they don't want to steal their thunder. Plus, the smaller cache in the Celeron and Duron can hinder performance more on a dually setup, but for most DC projects, the smaller cache doesn't make a HUGE difference on a dually setup...

JHutch

 

[CraigRT]

I'd get the dual Athlons myself..

 

[bot2600]

Well, the main reason I don't tinker with my workstation, the motherboard is a Tiger Tyan, which is not real OC friendly. There are some undocumented jumper settings I have found to OC the machine using a FSB between 100 and 133 ( remember my current chips are 100mhz fsb durons) but when I do it, the machine crashes. I actually think it may be a problem with the RAM, as several people have reported issues with the crucial registered ddr ram in the Tyan Tiger motherboard, so if I end up going to CPUs with 133mhz fsb I may end up replacing the RAM anyhow. Don't know. I actually have to accomplish things on this machine, so I try not to have it torn down any more than I have to. I was doubting the stability of an OCed box, my NAT server is a dual celeron 366@500 and runs for months without a hiccup. Usually the only time I reboot it is when I install security patches, as I try to keep up to date. I am leaning towards the Morgan's so far, they run cooler and are next generation to the original socket A chips. I would go with a couple nice XPs, but considering I haven't had a job in 2 months...

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[Fingers]

I don't know how urgent it is to upgrade but if it was me and I had to upgrade now I would get the durons, but if I didn't absolutely have to I would wait for the new XP's to come out and get a deal on a slower xp's.

 

[JimMc]

Could be wrong, but I don't think there is any physical difference between a MP or an XP, one carries a significantly higher price tag because it is "certified" to run SMP. I assume that means AMD pops them in a board and tests that them, but there is no reason why they won't all run, same for the Durons. I'd buy MP's if I was spending someone else's money, XP's/Durons with mine. The prefetch seems to really goose Seti results.

 

[paf077]

The new Durons support Smp, not so with the Athlon, unless their XP.

Just make sure you get athlonXP's if you want to run them in a MP board.

 

[TallBill]

i got a duron 1200 mhz morgan core (smp capable) running at 1320 mhz.. this thing rocks! i get almost the same dp's that my athlonxp1600 gets for eccp..

 

[Swanny]

I read somewhere a while ago that the new AMD chips (Palomino and Morgan) work alot better in SMP than do the older ones (T-bird and spitfire).

 

[Bleep]

<< socket A thunderbird @1.3 is also 83$. >>



One of my machines run a duron 800 I would like to upgrade this sounds like a good way to go. Where can I get a 1.3 for the 83 bucks.

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