Dun

[buck]

This has to be a joke. I hope the idiots that raised hell about this fall off a fucking cliff.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: finite automaton
While the color of the scarf means nothing to me, I can't get on anyone's case about still feeling edgy. 9/11 was a terrible, terrible day.

It happened six and a half years ago, and we haven't had a single terrorist attack in this country since. I'm not trying to diminish the historical significance of 9/11, but how long are we supposed to live in fear? 10 years? 20? Personally, I stopped being afraid that very day. Why should your fear dictate my fashion?

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: finite automaton
While the color of the scarf means nothing to me, I can't get on anyone's case about still feeling edgy. 9/11 was a terrible, terrible day.

It happened six and a half years ago, and we haven't had a single terrorist attack in this country since. I'm not trying to diminish the historical significance of 9/11, but how long are we supposed to live in fear? 10 years? 20? Personally, I stopped being afraid that very day. Why should your fear dictate my fashion?

I live in fear everyday that Bush is in office as he strips away our constitutional rights in wholesale fashion.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: finite automaton
While the color of the scarf means nothing to me, I can't get on anyone's case about still feeling edgy. 9/11 was a terrible, terrible day.

It happened six and a half years ago, and we haven't had a single terrorist attack in this country since. I'm not trying to diminish the historical significance of 9/11, but how long are we supposed to live in fear? 10 years? 20? Personally, I stopped being afraid that very day. Why should your fear dictate my fashion?

If the whole country were that smart then the Regime of Bush Cheney would not have held a second term. Ohhh sorry I mean held up the country for a second term.

 

[QED]

The ignorance in this thread is reaching P&N levels...

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: QED
The ignorance in this thread is reaching P&N levels...

Yes but the difference is at the end of the day, we all get into the big ATOT bed. Kiss each other nite nite and say good night like the Waltons

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: tyler811
Unfucking believable. So every time someone wears a black and white scarf they showing symbolic support for terrorism

Dunkin' Donuts has pulled an online advertisement featuring Rachael Ray after complaints that a fringed black-and-white scarf that the celebrity chef wore in the ad offers symbolic support for Muslim extremism and terrorism.

Whoa, good thing they pulled that horrendous ad. As soon as I saw it I got the urge to throw a donut at the Pentagon.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I don't know about the muslim stuff, but one less rachel ray dunkin donuts commercial out there = great for the world.

hahaha. it's tough for me to balance how much i hate ppl who complain about black/white scarves and my hatred for rachel ray

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: finite automaton
While the color of the scarf means nothing to me, I can't get on anyone's case about still feeling edgy. 9/11 was a terrible, terrible day.

Too bad the administration used that as a blank check to implement all kinds of bad ideas which infringed upon our freedoms, ruined relationships with other governments, and ended up killing more people than the terrorist acts themselves.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: finite automaton
While the color of the scarf means nothing to me, I can't get on anyone's case about still feeling edgy. 9/11 was a terrible, terrible day.

Too bad the administration used that as a blank check to implement all kinds of bad ideas which infringed upon our freedoms, ruined relationships with other governments, and ended up killing more people than the terrorist acts themselves.

It's funny how the message immediately after 9/11 was to not allow that tragedy to change our way of life.

...yeah....that worked out....

 

[tyler811]

 

[ObiDon]

if you eat donuts, terrorism wins.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

I think people who criticize "conservatives" for this are bigger idiots than the people who complained about the scarf.

 

[Molondo]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I think people who criticize "conservatives" for this are bigger idiots than the people who complained about the scarf.

I haven't read the article, but either you are a troll or there is no "conservatives"

just a guess.

 

[Soundmanred]

Originally posted by: jalaram
There's a thread about this in P&N already.

Alot of us aren't dumb enough to venture into that hot mess.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: finite automaton
While the color of the scarf means nothing to me, I can't get on anyone's case about still feeling edgy. 9/11 was a terrible, terrible day.

It was also SEVEN YEARS AGO.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jalaram
There's a thread about this in P&N already.

so what? thats P&N. while its the same topic the conversation is diffrent.

It's more entertaining, filled with those who agree with Malkin.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: QED
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill about a right-wing blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

The fact that a black-and-white kaffiyeh is a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement is pretty well documented. Don't believe me? Read up on it straight from the ultra-conservative Party for Socialism and Liberation Magazine website.

Now someone who knows this might be apt to wonder when they see a celebrity wearing a black-and-white kaffiyeh if that celebrity just isn't aware of the symbolism associated with it (namely, support of acts of terrorism against Jewish people in the name of liberating Palestine), or if they are aware and it was chosen to show support of the Palestinian Liberation movement. In any case, it's not an unreasonable question to ask.

It just so happens, however, that what Rachael Ray was wearing wearing in the ad was simply a black-and-white paisley scarf which only bears a passing resemblance to the black-and-white kaffiyeh, and was selected by a fashion designer with no knowledge of the symbolism of the kaffiyeg, so this shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, and it's not an issue that Dunkin Donuts canceled the ad to avoid any potential association with such a hot-button issue .

Nah, it means you're Anti-Israel stolen from P&N thread

So which is it?

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill about a right-wing blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

The fact that a black-and-white kaffiyeh is a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement is pretty well documented. Don't believe me? Read up on it straight from the ultra-conservative Party for Socialism and Liberation Magazine website.

Now someone who knows this might be apt to wonder when they see a celebrity wearing a black-and-white kaffiyeh if that celebrity just isn't aware of the symbolism associated with it (namely, support of acts of terrorism against Jewish people in the name of liberating Palestine), or if they are aware and it was chosen to show support of the Palestinian Liberation movement. In any case, it's not an unreasonable question to ask.

It just so happens, however, that what Rachael Ray was wearing wearing in the ad was simply a black-and-white paisley scarf which only bears a passing resemblance to the black-and-white kaffiyeh, and was selected by a fashion designer with no knowledge of the symbolism of the kaffiyeg, so this shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, and it's not an issue that Dunkin Donuts canceled the ad to avoid any potential association with such a hot-button issue .

Nah, it means you're Anti-Israel stolen from P&N thread

So which is it?

Based on your link I'm guessing you meant to say "Pro-Israel"? Although what a blue-and-white polka dotted kaffiyeh has to do with this discussion is beyond me since the point wasn't about a kaffiyeh itself but how one of a specific color are a symbol of support of an obvious anti-Israeli (and some would say terrorist) movement.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill about a right-wing blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

The fact that a black-and-white kaffiyeh is a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement is pretty well documented. Don't believe me? Read up on it straight from the ultra-conservative Party for Socialism and Liberation Magazine website.

Now someone who knows this might be apt to wonder when they see a celebrity wearing a black-and-white kaffiyeh if that celebrity just isn't aware of the symbolism associated with it (namely, support of acts of terrorism against Jewish people in the name of liberating Palestine), or if they are aware and it was chosen to show support of the Palestinian Liberation movement. In any case, it's not an unreasonable question to ask.

It just so happens, however, that what Rachael Ray was wearing wearing in the ad was simply a black-and-white paisley scarf which only bears a passing resemblance to the black-and-white kaffiyeh, and was selected by a fashion designer with no knowledge of the symbolism of the kaffiyeg, so this shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, and it's not an issue that Dunkin Donuts canceled the ad to avoid any potential association with such a hot-button issue .

Nah, it means you're Anti-Israel stolen from P&N thread

So which is it?

Based on your link I'm guessing you meant to say "Pro-Israel"? Although what a blue-and-white polka dotted kaffiyeh has to do with this discussion is beyond me since the point wasn't about a kaffiyeh itself but how one of a specific color are a symbol of support of an obvious anti-Israeli (and some would say terrorist) movement.

Says you and some nutjob website.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Injury
I wonder why in the hell Rachael Ray would take an endorsement for a donut place in the first place. That's just begging to be made fun of.


That said, the whiners need to get the hell out of the country. Kiss my ass on the way out, too.

Money I'm guessing?

I'll do the commercials for a quarter of what she is getting.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Lola
She made some rather racist comments about Oprah, and if my memory serves me, other comments were made in public as well.
It was in a "rag mag" but I will try and find it.

We all know the rag mags are a reliable source of information on celebrities! Now where is that copy of the inquirer I had a minute ago?

:roll:

 

[02ranger]

I'm offended that they pulled the ad because it was potentially offensive. I enjoy seeing people's reactions to offensive things, so they were discriminating against me by pulling the ad. They need to re-air it immediately or I'll declare jihad on them!!!! So Ha!!!

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill about a right-wing blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

The fact that a black-and-white kaffiyeh is a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement is pretty well documented. Don't believe me? Read up on it straight from the ultra-conservative Party for Socialism and Liberation Magazine website.

Now someone who knows this might be apt to wonder when they see a celebrity wearing a black-and-white kaffiyeh if that celebrity just isn't aware of the symbolism associated with it (namely, support of acts of terrorism against Jewish people in the name of liberating Palestine), or if they are aware and it was chosen to show support of the Palestinian Liberation movement. In any case, it's not an unreasonable question to ask.

It just so happens, however, that what Rachael Ray was wearing wearing in the ad was simply a black-and-white paisley scarf which only bears a passing resemblance to the black-and-white kaffiyeh, and was selected by a fashion designer with no knowledge of the symbolism of the kaffiyeg, so this shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, and it's not an issue that Dunkin Donuts canceled the ad to avoid any potential association with such a hot-button issue .

Nah, it means you're Anti-Israel stolen from P&N thread

So which is it?

Based on your link I'm guessing you meant to say "Pro-Israel"? Although what a blue-and-white polka dotted kaffiyeh has to do with this discussion is beyond me since the point wasn't about a kaffiyeh itself but how one of a specific color are a symbol of support of an obvious anti-Israeli (and some would say terrorist) movement.

Says you and some nutjob website.

It's not just me and some nutjob website. Do some searching for yourself and you'll find that in some circles it IS a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement. For a lot of others, it's simply a fashion choice.

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Howard Dean wear one back in 2004, and then after a minor uproar claim it was thrown on him by a young supporter and he immediately removed it?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Hugo Chavez go out of his way to wear one (along with a red Che shirt) during his appearance before the World Social forum in 2005?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Brazilian soccer star Ronaldo don one during his visit to Palestine in 2005 while announcing his support of a seperate Palestinian state?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Ricky Martin wear one while in Jordan announcing his support for Palestinian causes? He would later claim, like Howard Dean before him, that he was unaware of what it represented, and that it was placed on him by some Jordanian children.

Would you believe the LA Times? Or the internation edition of the New York Times? Or the Anti-Defamation League? Or perhaps Georgetown University's Center for Contemporary Arab Studies analyst Meagan Bridges? Or maybe noted anthropolgist Ted Swedenburg? Or New York's Village Voice?

How about Wikipedia?

"In the 1960s, the keffiyeh became a symbol of Palestinian nationalism as a result of its association with rural areas (as opposed to the city-dweller's fez)."

And later:

"The colors of the stitching in a keffiyeh are also vaguely associated with Palestinians' political sympathies. The iconic "spider-web" black-and-white keffiyeh is often displayed symbolically by members of Arafat's Fatah party (which more generally uses yellow as its party colour), although it has never been able to expropriate it as their exclusive symbol. The zig zag style of stitching is sometimes described as symbolic of their historic struggle and their inability to progress towards their objectives without having to avoid obstacles. This is in contrast to how many members of the radical leftist PLO factions (such as PFLP, PFLP-GC DFLP) prefer the checkered red keffieyhs ? red being both the traditional colour of the workers' movement and the red scarf supposedly more indicative of a bedouin and rural (thus poorer, more popular) background. The Islamist factions, such as Hamas, use green ? representative of the Islamic faith ? as a party color, but for keffiyehs they stick to the traditional black-and-white or red variants, with no particular preference evident. While widely known, this color symbolism is by no means universally accepted by all Palestinians, and its importance should not be overstated ? red or black-and-white scarves are used by Palestinians of all political stripes, as well as by those with no particular political sympathies."


I highlighted the part you might most be interested in-- in that while the black-and-white keffiyeh is widely regarded as a symbol of support for the Palestinian movement, wearing one does not automatically make you a supporter of the PLO or its allegedly terrorist ways.

As I originally said, this thread is a bunch of people making a mountain out of a molehill about a blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[sandorski]

I agree Mountain/Molehill.