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[tyler811]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill about a right-wing blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

The fact that a black-and-white kaffiyeh is a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement is pretty well documented. Don't believe me? Read up on it straight from the ultra-conservative Party for Socialism and Liberation Magazine website.

Now someone who knows this might be apt to wonder when they see a celebrity wearing a black-and-white kaffiyeh if that celebrity just isn't aware of the symbolism associated with it (namely, support of acts of terrorism against Jewish people in the name of liberating Palestine), or if they are aware and it was chosen to show support of the Palestinian Liberation movement. In any case, it's not an unreasonable question to ask.

It just so happens, however, that what Rachael Ray was wearing wearing in the ad was simply a black-and-white paisley scarf which only bears a passing resemblance to the black-and-white kaffiyeh, and was selected by a fashion designer with no knowledge of the symbolism of the kaffiyeg, so this shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, and it's not an issue that Dunkin Donuts canceled the ad to avoid any potential association with such a hot-button issue .

Nah, it means you're Anti-Israel stolen from P&N thread

So which is it?

Based on your link I'm guessing you meant to say "Pro-Israel"? Although what a blue-and-white polka dotted kaffiyeh has to do with this discussion is beyond me since the point wasn't about a kaffiyeh itself but how one of a specific color are a symbol of support of an obvious anti-Israeli (and some would say terrorist) movement.

Says you and some nutjob website.

It's not just me and some nutjob website. Do some searching for yourself and you'll find that in some circles it IS a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement. For a lot of others, it's simply a fashion choice.

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Howard Dean wear one back in 2004, and then after a minor uproar claim it was thrown on him by a young supporter and he immediately removed it?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Hugo Chavez go out of his way to wear one (along with a red Che shirt) during his appearance before the World Social forum in 2005?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Brazilian soccer star Ronaldo don one during his visit to Palestine in 2005 while announcing his support of a seperate Palestinian state?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Ricky Martin wear one while in Jordan announcing his support for Palestinian causes? He would later claim, like Howard Dean before him, that he was unaware of what it represented, and that it was placed on him by some Jordanian children.

Would you believe the LA Times? Or the internation edition of the New York Times? Or the Anti-Defamation League? Or perhaps Georgetown University's Center for Contemporary Arab Studies analyst Meagan Bridges? Or maybe noted anthropolgist Ted Swedenburg? Or New York's Village Voice?

How about Wikipedia?

"In the 1960s, the keffiyeh became a symbol of Palestinian nationalism as a result of its association with rural areas (as opposed to the city-dweller's fez)."

And later:

"The colors of the stitching in a keffiyeh are also vaguely associated with Palestinians' political sympathies. The iconic "spider-web" black-and-white keffiyeh is often displayed symbolically by members of Arafat's Fatah party (which more generally uses yellow as its party colour), although it has never been able to expropriate it as their exclusive symbol. The zig zag style of stitching is sometimes described as symbolic of their historic struggle and their inability to progress towards their objectives without having to avoid obstacles. This is in contrast to how many members of the radical leftist PLO factions (such as PFLP, PFLP-GC DFLP) prefer the checkered red keffieyhs ? red being both the traditional colour of the workers' movement and the red scarf supposedly more indicative of a bedouin and rural (thus poorer, more popular) background. The Islamist factions, such as Hamas, use green ? representative of the Islamic faith ? as a party color, but for keffiyehs they stick to the traditional black-and-white or red variants, with no particular preference evident. While widely known, this color symbolism is by no means universally accepted by all Palestinians, and its importance should not be overstated ? red or black-and-white scarves are used by Palestinians of all political stripes, as well as by those with no particular political sympathies."


I highlighted the part you might most be interested in-- in that while the black-and-white keffiyeh is widely regarded as a symbol of support for the Palestinian movement, wearing one does not automatically make you a supporter of the PLO or its allegedly terrorist ways.

As I originally said, this thread is a bunch of people making a mountain out of a molehill about a blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

forgot

 

[Queasy]

Australia

The "keffiyeh kerfuffle" - which forced Dunkin' Donuts to dump an ad featuring a celebrity chef wearing a scarf similar to a traditional Arab head-dress - has hit a Bondi bottleshop, one of its staff claims.

Sandra Tieger, 20, alleged to smh.com.au she began to feel like a terrorism supporter following the reaction to her wearing a black and white scarf to work at Kemeny's.

Ms Tieger's claims - which the store rejects - follow attacks on an ad for the US Dunkin' Donuts chain, in which celebrity chef Rachael Ray wore a scarf. Critics have said the scarf has "violent symbolism and anti-Israel overtones".

But Ms Tieger said she had "no idea about the politics" when she bought the scarf at the Tree Of Life store.

"I thought it was a nice scarf, a cowboy scarf. I thought: 'It's black and white, no-one will say anything to me because that's all we can wear [with our work uniform]'.

"A Palestinian customer came up and asked me if I'm wearing this scarf as a fashion statement or for political reasons.

"I had no idea what he was talking about because I don't follow politics at all. I just laughed it off.

"Two days later he called and complained about it."

Shevonne Hunt, a freelance journalist who has reported on the keffiyeh's popularity in Australia, said many Palestinians were annoyed the widespread use of the keffiyeh for fashion had watered down its meaning.

Ms Tieger continued: "A few days after that, I wore the scarf again. A few customers started to complain who were Jewish; there's a lot of Jewish people in the area.

"My boss said 'Could you please take it off, we have to be neutral'."

After allegedly explaining she was wearing the scarf for style reasons only, Ms Tieger said her manager told her: "You shouldn't be wearing it, not here."

"I said: "They're selling it everywhere, there's no escape."'

The incident upset Ms Tieger and she started crying.

Kemeny's groceries manager Alex Hoffman said Ms Tieger had not been bullied. "That's just total nonsense," he said.

He said Ms Tieger had been asked "politely to take the scarf off" after a regular customer took offence to it.

"They came in and complained to her about the scarf because it had some religious significance to them.

"We approached [Ms Tieger] and raised the matter with her and asked her if she was aware [the scarf could represent a political symbol] and she said: 'What's the big deal?'.

 

[Chunkee]

we must all weep for the future.... plain and simple... it is idiots rule. the only solution is revolution/anarchy and the eating of mass quantities of beernuts

 

[ObiDon]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
we must all weep for the future.... plain and simple... it is idiots rule. the only solution is revolution/anarchy and the eating of mass quantities of beernuts

or deer nuts... i've heard they're under a buck!

 

[waggy]

only solution is every good American is to wear the same outfit. that way we can tell who is a real terrorist and who is a God loving American!

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: tyler811
Unfucking believable. So every time someone wears a black and white scarf they showing symbolic support for terrorism

Dunkin' Donuts has pulled an online advertisement featuring Rachael Ray after complaints that a fringed black-and-white scarf that the celebrity chef wore in the ad offers symbolic support for Muslim extremism and terrorism.

Whoa, good thing they pulled that horrendous ad. As soon as I saw it I got the urge to throw a donut at the Pentagon.

TERRRRRRRRRRORIST!!

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: Deeko
I don't know about the muslim stuff, but one less rachel ray dunkin donuts commercial out there = great for the world.

hahaha. it's tough for me to balance how much i hate ppl who complain about black/white scarves and my hatred for rachel ray

I like Rachael. Who I hate is the other chick in the commercial ... the one that gives that half orgasmic - half deranged smile after biting the sandwich and acting like a tart.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill about a right-wing blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

The fact that a black-and-white kaffiyeh is a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement is pretty well documented. Don't believe me? Read up on it straight from the ultra-conservative Party for Socialism and Liberation Magazine website.

Now someone who knows this might be apt to wonder when they see a celebrity wearing a black-and-white kaffiyeh if that celebrity just isn't aware of the symbolism associated with it (namely, support of acts of terrorism against Jewish people in the name of liberating Palestine), or if they are aware and it was chosen to show support of the Palestinian Liberation movement. In any case, it's not an unreasonable question to ask.

It just so happens, however, that what Rachael Ray was wearing wearing in the ad was simply a black-and-white paisley scarf which only bears a passing resemblance to the black-and-white kaffiyeh, and was selected by a fashion designer with no knowledge of the symbolism of the kaffiyeg, so this shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, and it's not an issue that Dunkin Donuts canceled the ad to avoid any potential association with such a hot-button issue .

Nah, it means you're Anti-Israel stolen from P&N thread

So which is it?

Based on your link I'm guessing you meant to say "Pro-Israel"? Although what a blue-and-white polka dotted kaffiyeh has to do with this discussion is beyond me since the point wasn't about a kaffiyeh itself but how one of a specific color are a symbol of support of an obvious anti-Israeli (and some would say terrorist) movement.

Says you and some nutjob website.

It's not just me and some nutjob website. Do some searching for yourself and you'll find that in some circles it IS a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement. For a lot of others, it's simply a fashion choice.

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Howard Dean wear one back in 2004, and then after a minor uproar claim it was thrown on him by a young supporter and he immediately removed it?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Hugo Chavez go out of his way to wear one (along with a red Che shirt) during his appearance before the World Social forum in 2005?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Brazilian soccer star Ronaldo don one during his visit to Palestine in 2005 while announcing his support of a seperate Palestinian state?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Ricky Martin wear one while in Jordan announcing his support for Palestinian causes? He would later claim, like Howard Dean before him, that he was unaware of what it represented, and that it was placed on him by some Jordanian children.

Would you believe the LA Times? Or the internation edition of the New York Times? Or the Anti-Defamation League? Or perhaps Georgetown University's Center for Contemporary Arab Studies analyst Meagan Bridges? Or maybe noted anthropolgist Ted Swedenburg? Or New York's Village Voice?

How about Wikipedia?

"In the 1960s, the keffiyeh became a symbol of Palestinian nationalism as a result of its association with rural areas (as opposed to the city-dweller's fez)."

And later:

"The colors of the stitching in a keffiyeh are also vaguely associated with Palestinians' political sympathies. The iconic "spider-web" black-and-white keffiyeh is often displayed symbolically by members of Arafat's Fatah party (which more generally uses yellow as its party colour), although it has never been able to expropriate it as their exclusive symbol. The zig zag style of stitching is sometimes described as symbolic of their historic struggle and their inability to progress towards their objectives without having to avoid obstacles. This is in contrast to how many members of the radical leftist PLO factions (such as PFLP, PFLP-GC DFLP) prefer the checkered red keffieyhs ? red being both the traditional colour of the workers' movement and the red scarf supposedly more indicative of a bedouin and rural (thus poorer, more popular) background. The Islamist factions, such as Hamas, use green ? representative of the Islamic faith ? as a party color, but for keffiyehs they stick to the traditional black-and-white or red variants, with no particular preference evident. While widely known, this color symbolism is by no means universally accepted by all Palestinians, and its importance should not be overstated ? red or black-and-white scarves are used by Palestinians of all political stripes, as well as by those with no particular political sympathies."


I highlighted the part you might most be interested in-- in that while the black-and-white keffiyeh is widely regarded as a symbol of support for the Palestinian movement, wearing one does not automatically make you a supporter of the PLO or its allegedly terrorist ways.

As I originally said, this thread is a bunch of people making a mountain out of a molehill about a blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

Popular clothing item worn by brown people.
Brown People are terrorists.
If a White person wears brown people's clothing.
Then said white person is terrorist.

I just proved it. I should be on the Bush Administration!

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
we must all weep for the future.... plain and simple... it is idiots rule. the only solution is revolution/anarchy and the eating of mass quantities of beernuts

Speaking of Beernuts.

What's the difference between Beernuts and Deernuts?

Beernuts are $1.29 and Deernuts are under a buck.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: Chunkee
we must all weep for the future.... plain and simple... it is idiots rule. the only solution is revolution/anarchy and the eating of mass quantities of beernuts

Speaking of Beernuts.

What's the difference between Beernuts and Deernuts?

Beernuts are $1.29 and Deernuts are under a buck.

That is fucking funny as hell!

 

[ObiDon]

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: Chunkee
we must all weep for the future.... plain and simple... it is idiots rule. the only solution is revolution/anarchy and the eating of mass quantities of beernuts

Speaking of Beernuts.

What's the difference between Beernuts and Deernuts?

Beernuts are $1.29 and Deernuts are under a buck.

i went for the jokeless punchline a few posts up

 

[Nyati13]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill about a right-wing blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

The fact that a black-and-white kaffiyeh is a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement is pretty well documented. Don't believe me? Read up on it straight from the ultra-conservative Party for Socialism and Liberation Magazine website.

Now someone who knows this might be apt to wonder when they see a celebrity wearing a black-and-white kaffiyeh if that celebrity just isn't aware of the symbolism associated with it (namely, support of acts of terrorism against Jewish people in the name of liberating Palestine), or if they are aware and it was chosen to show support of the Palestinian Liberation movement. In any case, it's not an unreasonable question to ask.

It just so happens, however, that what Rachael Ray was wearing wearing in the ad was simply a black-and-white paisley scarf which only bears a passing resemblance to the black-and-white kaffiyeh, and was selected by a fashion designer with no knowledge of the symbolism of the kaffiyeg, so this shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, and it's not an issue that Dunkin Donuts canceled the ad to avoid any potential association with such a hot-button issue .

Nah, it means you're Anti-Israel stolen from P&N thread

So which is it?

Based on your link I'm guessing you meant to say "Pro-Israel"? Although what a blue-and-white polka dotted kaffiyeh has to do with this discussion is beyond me since the point wasn't about a kaffiyeh itself but how one of a specific color are a symbol of support of an obvious anti-Israeli (and some would say terrorist) movement.

Says you and some nutjob website.

It's not just me and some nutjob website. Do some searching for yourself and you'll find that in some circles it IS a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement. For a lot of others, it's simply a fashion choice.

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Howard Dean wear one back in 2004, and then after a minor uproar claim it was thrown on him by a young supporter and he immediately removed it?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Hugo Chavez go out of his way to wear one (along with a red Che shirt) during his appearance before the World Social forum in 2005?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Brazilian soccer star Ronaldo don one during his visit to Palestine in 2005 while announcing his support of a seperate Palestinian state?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Ricky Martin wear one while in Jordan announcing his support for Palestinian causes? He would later claim, like Howard Dean before him, that he was unaware of what it represented, and that it was placed on him by some Jordanian children.

Would you believe the LA Times? Or the internation edition of the New York Times? Or the Anti-Defamation League? Or perhaps Georgetown University's Center for Contemporary Arab Studies analyst Meagan Bridges? Or maybe noted anthropolgist Ted Swedenburg? Or New York's Village Voice?

How about Wikipedia?

"In the 1960s, the keffiyeh became a symbol of Palestinian nationalism as a result of its association with rural areas (as opposed to the city-dweller's fez)."

And later:

"The colors of the stitching in a keffiyeh are also vaguely associated with Palestinians' political sympathies. The iconic "spider-web" black-and-white keffiyeh is often displayed symbolically by members of Arafat's Fatah party (which more generally uses yellow as its party colour), although it has never been able to expropriate it as their exclusive symbol. The zig zag style of stitching is sometimes described as symbolic of their historic struggle and their inability to progress towards their objectives without having to avoid obstacles. This is in contrast to how many members of the radical leftist PLO factions (such as PFLP, PFLP-GC DFLP) prefer the checkered red keffieyhs ? red being both the traditional colour of the workers' movement and the red scarf supposedly more indicative of a bedouin and rural (thus poorer, more popular) background. The Islamist factions, such as Hamas, use green ? representative of the Islamic faith ? as a party color, but for keffiyehs they stick to the traditional black-and-white or red variants, with no particular preference evident. While widely known, this color symbolism is by no means universally accepted by all Palestinians, and its importance should not be overstated ? red or black-and-white scarves are used by Palestinians of all political stripes, as well as by those with no particular political sympathies."


I highlighted the part you might most be interested in-- in that while the black-and-white keffiyeh is widely regarded as a symbol of support for the Palestinian movement, wearing one does not automatically make you a supporter of the PLO or its allegedly terrorist ways.

As I originally said, this thread is a bunch of people making a mountain out of a molehill about a blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

Your rant is pointless because RR was wearing a black and white paisley scarf, not a kaffiyah.....

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: Nyati13

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QED
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill about a right-wing blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

The fact that a black-and-white kaffiyeh is a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement is pretty well documented. Don't believe me? Read up on it straight from the ultra-conservative Party for Socialism and Liberation Magazine website.

Now someone who knows this might be apt to wonder when they see a celebrity wearing a black-and-white kaffiyeh if that celebrity just isn't aware of the symbolism associated with it (namely, support of acts of terrorism against Jewish people in the name of liberating Palestine), or if they are aware and it was chosen to show support of the Palestinian Liberation movement. In any case, it's not an unreasonable question to ask.

It just so happens, however, that what Rachael Ray was wearing wearing in the ad was simply a black-and-white paisley scarf which only bears a passing resemblance to the black-and-white kaffiyeh, and was selected by a fashion designer with no knowledge of the symbolism of the kaffiyeg, so this shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, and it's not an issue that Dunkin Donuts canceled the ad to avoid any potential association with such a hot-button issue .

Nah, it means you're Anti-Israel stolen from P&N thread

So which is it?

Based on your link I'm guessing you meant to say "Pro-Israel"? Although what a blue-and-white polka dotted kaffiyeh has to do with this discussion is beyond me since the point wasn't about a kaffiyeh itself but how one of a specific color are a symbol of support of an obvious anti-Israeli (and some would say terrorist) movement.

Says you and some nutjob website.

It's not just me and some nutjob website. Do some searching for yourself and you'll find that in some circles it IS a sign of solidarity with the Palestinian Liberation movement. For a lot of others, it's simply a fashion choice.

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Howard Dean wear one back in 2004, and then after a minor uproar claim it was thrown on him by a young supporter and he immediately removed it?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Hugo Chavez go out of his way to wear one (along with a red Che shirt) during his appearance before the World Social forum in 2005?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Brazilian soccer star Ronaldo don one during his visit to Palestine in 2005 while announcing his support of a seperate Palestinian state?

If a black-and-white keffiyah has absolutely no meaning, why did Ricky Martin wear one while in Jordan announcing his support for Palestinian causes? He would later claim, like Howard Dean before him, that he was unaware of what it represented, and that it was placed on him by some Jordanian children.

Would you believe the LA Times? Or the internation edition of the New York Times? Or the Anti-Defamation League? Or perhaps Georgetown University's Center for Contemporary Arab Studies analyst Meagan Bridges? Or maybe noted anthropolgist Ted Swedenburg? Or New York's Village Voice?

How about Wikipedia?

"In the 1960s, the keffiyeh became a symbol of Palestinian nationalism as a result of its association with rural areas (as opposed to the city-dweller's fez)."

And later:

"The colors of the stitching in a keffiyeh are also vaguely associated with Palestinians' political sympathies. The iconic "spider-web" black-and-white keffiyeh is often displayed symbolically by members of Arafat's Fatah party (which more generally uses yellow as its party colour), although it has never been able to expropriate it as their exclusive symbol. The zig zag style of stitching is sometimes described as symbolic of their historic struggle and their inability to progress towards their objectives without having to avoid obstacles. This is in contrast to how many members of the radical leftist PLO factions (such as PFLP, PFLP-GC DFLP) prefer the checkered red keffieyhs ? red being both the traditional colour of the workers' movement and the red scarf supposedly more indicative of a bedouin and rural (thus poorer, more popular) background. The Islamist factions, such as Hamas, use green ? representative of the Islamic faith ? as a party color, but for keffiyehs they stick to the traditional black-and-white or red variants, with no particular preference evident. While widely known, this color symbolism is by no means universally accepted by all Palestinians, and its importance should not be overstated ? red or black-and-white scarves are used by Palestinians of all political stripes, as well as by those with no particular political sympathies."


I highlighted the part you might most be interested in-- in that while the black-and-white keffiyeh is widely regarded as a symbol of support for the Palestinian movement, wearing one does not automatically make you a supporter of the PLO or its allegedly terrorist ways.

As I originally said, this thread is a bunch of people making a mountain out of a molehill about a blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

Your rant is pointless because RR was wearing a black and white paisley scarf, not a kaffiyah.....

Your post is pointless because I pointed out earlier that RR was wearing a black and white paisley scarf, which is why I said in my very first post that this thread is a bunch of people making a mountain out of molehill about a blogger who made a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Vic]

They need to come up with a name for the phenomenon when a known sleezeball political blogger, like Michelle Malkin, invents some phony outrage solely for the purpose of increasing hits to their site.


edit:

Originally posted by: Amused
Everything about this is just plain silly.

I'm actually enjoying the part where self-professed "conservative commentators" are working the political correctness agenda, trying to tell us what we can't wear for fear of offending some group (who in the meantime are not the ones calling foul here).

It's really quite comical IMO.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Vic
They need to come for a name for the phenomenon when a known sleezeball political blogger, like Michelle Malkin, invents some phony outrage solely for the purpose of increasing hits to their site.

Desperation? Greed? Insecurity?

 

[dennilfloss]

Maybe they should show her surfing with some doughnuts. No scarf there.

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/d..._bikini-surfing2mb.gif

 

[Scarpozzi]

So....was it the Muslims or the ANTI-Muslims that wanted the commercial pulled?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Vic
They need to come for a name for the phenomenon when a known sleezeball political blogger, like Michelle Malkin, invents some phony outrage solely for the purpose of increasing hits to their site.

Desperation? Greed? Insecurity?

Honestly, I was more impressed by the fact that the producers of the commercial pulled off 2 seemingly impossible feats, namely that they made both Rachael Ray and the Oregon State Capitol look pretty good.