Dump the Trump and Back Bernie

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MongGrel

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Wake me up when all of you rational people have everything straightened out. I'm going to vote fore somebody so impossible stupid and politically naive and inexperienced he won't know how to heart anything. A few billion for a wall is Trump change.

Projections of actual cost to build a Drumpf Wall come out closer to 20+ billion at 35' even, and about that much again in maintenance in less than a decade.

So impractical idea number 1 to begin with is BS.
 

rudder

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I'm voting Trump because America will not vote for Sanders. Eskimo says Sanders economics don't add up, which is probably right and depressing, so even though I would pick sanders first I think we may be just too fucked up for any one politician to fix anything.

I would be open to voting for Bernie. I like the idea of a citizen statesman in the oval office... but Trump just does not have the right personality. At least with Bernie Sanders and a republican congress not too much could be messed up (although I have seen the numbers on Paul Ryans budget). Unlike obama, Sanders seems like he would be willing to compromise to get things done.

If it is Trump vs. Hillary... I would have to root for Trump.
 

swamplizard

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Sanders is already sadly done for. All he can do now is spread his message. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I know that Bernie has a tough road ahead, but even if he is done for, a vote for him means that you substantially agree with his platform and provides hope for future candidates that run a similar campaign. If one votes for Hillary simply because she is going to win, that accomplishes nothing, she's going to win anyway. So why not cast your vote for a candidate that proves himself reliable and has a message that will not go away?
 

Jeff7

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I know that Bernie has a tough road ahead, but even if he is done for, a vote for him means that you substantially agree with his platform and provides hope for future candidates that run a similar campaign. If one votes for Hillary simply because she is going to win, that accomplishes nothing, she's going to win anyway. So why not cast your vote for a candidate that proves himself reliable and has a message that will not go away?
And if the mentality is that she's going to win anyway, then your vote doesn't matter, right? Might as well put it in for who you originally wanted. It at least counts toward voter turnout.
 

swamplizard

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And if the mentality is that she's going to win anyway, then your vote doesn't matter, right? Might as well put it in for who you originally wanted. It at least counts toward voter turnout.

:thumbsup: Exactly. :thumbsup:
 

chess9

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Wake me up when all of you rational people have everything straightened out. I'm going to vote fore somebody so impossible stupid and politically naive and inexperienced he won't know how to heart anything. A few billion for a wall is Trump change.
LOL! Ok, moonie. Go for Trump Gold. Or, is that the Trump Brass Ring? IF he's elected and everything goes South, we'll come looking for you. :)
 

chess9

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Projections of actual cost to build a Drumpf Wall come out closer to 20+ billion at 35' even, and about that much again in maintenance in less than a decade.

So impractical idea number 1 to begin with is BS.
Did you forget the Mexicans will pay for it?
 

chess9

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Yes, he's quite good in terms of civil liberties and a lot of other things that Hillary and most of the GOP field lacked. Too bad he drinks the populist "we are the 99%" kool-aid and bases the rest of his candidacy on the premise of getting even with rich people. I know that many on the left wish Sanders would be even more like Hugo Chávez but to me that's just as much a deal breaker as Hillary's open authoritarianism and neoconservative foreign policy ambitions.
Bernie's a Euro Style Democratic Socialist, not a South American leftist. They often come with guns drawn.

Anyway, Bernie won't get anything done. Hillary will get less done than Bernie would. Hillary is more hated by the Republicans than Obama, but it's a close race. And with the Republicans splintered into so many shards they will not agree on the time of day because half of the Republicans live on a different planet.

So why vote for Bernie? Because he isn't Hillary, and he wouldn't start another war. Hillary probably has at least 5-10 wars in her. Her idol is probably Margaret Thatcher.
 
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blackangst1

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swamplizard

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Did you hear Bernie in reference to the Brussels terrorist bombing? I thought he shined during it. Runner up was Hillary Clinton. All of the repugs sounded like sour grapes plugging their campaign. A new low was John Kasich, who I thought prior to today to be a nice guy. He slammed President Obama for not flying back to DC in order to coordinate with European leaders a need for security, intel, etc. Maybe it didn't occur to him that Obama has a phone on him. D:
 

MongGrel

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Did you forget the Mexicans will pay for it?

I forgot that one, but yeah, those tax dollars have to go somewhere for useless, stupid things to run for POTUS. More like a fantasy for votes to get elected, of course.

Look how well Star Wars defense system is in place orbiting the planet from the Reagan era.

():)

THAADS I even worked on a bit myself, and yeah there are a few laser things around that were dumped and never were that practical.

The whole wall thing is complete stupidity.

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Someone needs to figure out a way to clone FDR, maybe.
 
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MongGrel

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Her idol is probably Margaret Thatcher.

Actually, I've said the same thing in the past.

And Golda Meir also possibly.

Not sure is a really bad thing, she probably would make Putin crap in his pants in a showdown.

She manages to keep Bill in line.
 
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Jaskalas

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If you have been supporting Trump because he is anti-establishment, then pay attention to the truely one candidate who is, in fact anti-establishment, Senator Bernie Sanders. Take a good look at him and his agenda and you will see a grass roots campaign, boldly attacking the establishment with a political revolution.

Democrats have to put Sanders on the ballot first.
Then you'll earn my vote for the reasons you cite.
 

sm625

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You really need to quit drying your hair in the microwave. They make towels for that you know.

You really need to quit thinking I give a damn about your pathetic mindless ad hominem. The country gets flushed down the toilet and you make stupid jokes. Did you even get a laugh out of it?
 

ivwshane

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You really need to quit thinking I give a damn about your pathetic mindless ad hominem. The country gets flushed down the toilet and you make stupid jokes. Did you even get a laugh out of it?

He, like me, probably gets a laugh out of it from people who claim the country is turning to shit and who support politicians who are doing their best to ruin government who then tell their supporters how broken government is which in turn deteriorates this country. So unless you and people like you plan on getting out of the political process, what options does he have other than to hurl ad hominems and laugh at you? It's not like facts, logic, or sound reasoning would affect people like you, right?
 

hal2kilo

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Democrats have to put Sanders on the ballot first.
Then you'll earn my vote for the reasons you cite.

Since the Washington state caucuses are about to happen, all I've seen are Bernie ads. I really want to vote for him but you Bernie supporters think she will have problems with her supposed past issues. I guarantee that all you will hear if Bernie's the Dem nominee is SOCIALIST, SOCIALIST, SOCIALIST!

That will kill off about 50% of all the voters in this country.
 

0roo0roo

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If you have been supporting Trump because he is anti-establishment, then pay attention to the truely one candidate who is, in fact anti-establishment, Senator Bernie Sanders. Take a good look at him and his agenda and you will see a grass roots campaign, boldly attacking the establishment with a political revolution.

Nope

Milo Yiannopoulos Loves Donald Trump
The Rubin Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fely6gd2Q-k