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Viper1j

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I have Blink With local storage. I put as little of my life on the "cloud" as humanly possible. :D


Amazon’s Ring has provided doorbell footage to police without owners’ consent 11 times so far this year
WashingtonCNN Business —
Amazon (AMZN)’s smart-doorbell company, Ring, has provided surveillance footage to law enforcement without a warrant or the consent of doorbell-owners 11 times this year alone, according to a letter Amazon (AMZN) (AMZN) sent to Congress earlier this month.

The disclosure highlights the degree of Amazon’s control over data generated by the doorbells’ cameras and microphones, as well as its deepening relationships with thousands of police departments across the country.

The July 1 letter responding to questions by Sen. Ed Markey and made public by his office on Wednesday shows that Ring frequently makes its own “good-faith determinations” as to whether to provide surveillance data to law enforcement absent a warrant or the consent of the doorbell owner.

Under its policies, Ring “reserves the right to respond immediately to urgent law enforcement requests for information in cases involving imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to any person,” the letter read. The company also requires police to fill out a special “emergency request form” if there is an urgent need to bypass the normal law enforcement process, according to the letter.

In each of the 11 cases this year, Amazon’s VP of Public Policy Brian Huseman wrote, Ring determined that the police requests met the imminent-danger threshold and provided the information “without delay.”

Huseman’s letter said Ring currently partners with 2,161 law enforcement agencies (and 455 fire departments) that can request surveillance data from Ring doorbells — a figure that Markey, in a release, said represented a five-fold increase from November 2019.

Separately, the letter declined to commit that Ring will never use voice recognition technology in its doorbells and rejected Markey’s request that Ring cameras stop automatically recording audio by default when they take video footage.

“As my ongoing investigation into Amazon illustrates, it has become increasingly difficult for the public to move, assemble, and converse in public without being tracked and recorded,” said Markey in a statement. “We cannot accept this as inevitable in our country. Increasing law enforcement reliance on private surveillance creates a crisis of accountability, and I am particularly concerned that biometric surveillance could become central to the growing web of surveillance systems that Amazon and other powerful tech companies are responsible for.”

Ring did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
 

dank69

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Doesn't Amazon own Blink? Doesn't Blink store their shit in the cloud as well? Pretty sure the answer to both is yes, and we use Blink.
 
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repoman0

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Good friend of mine has been working at Blink since we graduated college together a decade ago. Can confirm he definitely works for Amazon as of around 4-5 years ago when they were acquired.
 

BoomerD

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I don't care. If the cops want access to my camera footage, they're welcome to it.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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I've actually been interested in rolling my own setup for a while, anyone got recommends for nice open source camera/recording systems? I can work with the wiring/storage crap, I just need something that can act as a server software that isn't a piece of shit.
 

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I've actually been interested in rolling my own setup for a while, anyone got recommends for nice open source camera/recording systems? I can work with the wiring/storage crap, I just need something that can act as a server software that isn't a piece of shit.
I use an Axis doorstation that records everything locally (via Camect my nvr). Doorbird would do the same.
 
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Viper1j

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Doesn't Amazon own Blink? Doesn't Blink store their shit in the cloud as well? Pretty sure the answer to both is yes, and we use Blink.

Only if you go with the cloud subscription service.

I have a 256GB USB plugged into the module for local storage only.
 
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ivwshane

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I use an Axis doorstation that records everything locally (via Camect my nvr). Doorbird would do the same.

Are those diy solutions or commercial options that don’t do cloud storage?

I was thinking of using a pi but then I remembered that I live in a safe neighborhood and it would be pretty pointless.
 
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nakedfrog

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I've actually been interested in rolling my own setup for a while, anyone got recommends for nice open source camera/recording systems? I can work with the wiring/storage crap, I just need something that can act as a server software that isn't a piece of shit.
I have some wifi cameras someone gave me like 8 years ago that I set up to automatically upload data to my FTP site, I have to imagine there are still cameras on the market with that capability.
 

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I have ip cameras that load thier footage to the ftp server of my choice.

They have options to alert on motion or sound but I never used any of that.
 

Viper1j

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That must be new? I don't have to pay for cloud.

Is Blink doing away with free cloud storage?

In April of 2020, Amazon allowed existing Blink XT2 customers to continue to have their free year-long cloud storage. Based on a forum topic on Blink's website, accounts created before April 15, 2020 still have access to 7,200 seconds of cloud storage per Sync Module.Mar 18, 2021



I don't care. If the cops want access to my camera footage, they're welcome to it.

Common courtesy and decency dictates that they should at least ask you for it.

You okay with the cops coming in, drinking all your beer, and driving your car as well?
 
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dank69

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Is Blink doing away with free cloud storage?

In April of 2020, Amazon allowed existing Blink XT2 customers to continue to have their free year-long cloud storage. Based on a forum topic on Blink's website, accounts created before April 15, 2020 still have access to 7,200 seconds of cloud storage per Sync Module.Mar 18, 2021





Common courtesy and decency dictates that they should at least ask you for it.

You okay with the cops coming in, drinking all your beer, and driving your car as well?
Huh, must have missed the memo. I guess we were grandfathered in.
 

BoomerD

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Common courtesy and decency dictates that they should at least ask you for it.

You okay with the cops coming in, drinking all your beer, and driving your car as well?

I agree they should ask first.
 

Pens1566

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I would stay away from any of them that use cloud only, proprietary storage. You're better off getting your own cams and something like blue iris locally. Takes more technical ability, but we're on Anandtech ...
 

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I would stay away from any of them that use cloud only, proprietary storage. You're better off getting your own cams and something like blue iris locally. Takes more technical ability, but we're on Anandtech ...

word.

For the technically inclined Blue Iris is the shit.

You can do... anything you want to do with a lot of flexibility. Granted it's far more complicated to get things tweaked to your liking, it does offer vast flexibility.

Plus I really like the deepmind AI plugin capability that got rolled out last year.

By God, if you ever wanted to be alerted to a toilet meandering across your property you can be appropriately alerted to precisely that.

I recently installed a Reolink setup for a family member and it's nice for the price but it's not big iron like Blue Iris. For many that Reolink setup would be perfect but if we're on AT we're likely nerds so nerd it up.
 

Viper1j

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There may come a time in the not too distant future, when we'll have to put a sheet over our TVs when not in use, to keep the Gov from seeing inside our homes.
 
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Vic

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I would stay away from any of them that use cloud only, proprietary storage. You're better off getting your own cams and something like blue iris locally. Takes more technical ability, but we're on Anandtech ...
This.

But keep in mind, the police are unlikely to do anything even if you are the victim of a crime and have video of it. Average clearance rates for burglary nationwide are barely into the double digits.
 

cytg111

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word.

For the technically inclined Blue Iris is the shit.

For the technically inclined you can roll your own :).
There is plenty of C++ examples out there that connects to an IP camera and consumes the stream, with a little help from ffmpeg/libav its pretty straight forward to decode the stream realtime in code too, from here its only your imagination that sets the boundries, realtime motion detection etc and where you wanna store your videos.
I've done mine so I have motion detection and some other metadata that I store realtime, and then I am able to re-run detection/AI/plugin I've made on the metadata OR the real video itself over and over again. This comes in handy if you got action in one part of the feed, you put that part in a "detection box" (almost like enhance heh) and rerun with different plugin settings (higher sens, ai, whatever, this means you dont get false negatives on the rest of the frame) .. plus now I can run it 14 days back and see how many times the neighbors cat has used this path.
On my todo list is to encrypt the vids and store them offsite, right now end storage is just a local ftp server.

Listen to me and listen to me carefully. Fuck the cloud.

If you gonna cloud anyway, I would crack the software and reroute the remote storage destination to something local, encrypt, then move to alternate off site cloud.
Of course its a matter of time before the AI part of this thing is going decentralized and only work on your cloud data.. and then you're fucked.
 
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