Dump my 9800 pro for what?

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MrMiyagi

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Jist of the story is my buddy's building a comp, he wants my 9800 pro (actually an NP flashed), and I was gonna buy a new card. I'm wondering if I should stick w/ ATI or go back to Nvidia.

Right now I'm a bit disappointed with my comps current performance w/ Doom 3. Running a P4 2.4c, 1 gig PC3200 on an IC7. If I get something say like a 6800 would I see a good deal of improvement or would it just be a waste of money from the 2.4c processor limits (of course I could bump it up a bit.) I don't really want to spend more than $325-350.

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Originally posted by: MrMiyagi
Jist of the story is my buddy's building a comp, he wants my 9800 pro (actually an NP flashed), and I was gonna buy a new card. I'm wondering if I should stick w/ ATI or go back to Nvidia.

Right now I'm a bit disappointed with my comps current performance w/ Doom 3. Running a P4 2.4c, 1 gig PC3200 on an IC7. If I get something say like a 6800 would I see a good deal of improvement or would it just be a waste of money from the 2.4c processor limits (of course I could bump it up a bit.) I don't really want to spend more than $325-350.

Thanks ;)
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I *JUST* replaced my 9800Pro with a BFG6800GT-OC, and couldn't be happier... The 9800Pro was only bought a few months ago, was my first ATI purchase, and it will be my LAST ATI purchase... You wouldn't believe the trouble I had with it...

1) 3-4 weeks after I installed it, it kept locking up in games. Then I find out about a flaw in the 9800's border around their GPU that causes the heatsinks to not fit down tight. Nevermind the cheesy arsed sinks/fan they come with anyway.. So I checked this, sure enough, was my problem... Bad part, card overheated bad a few times already.

2) Ordered a VGACooler for it, dropped that on, it helped a ton, but card still locked up.. ATI says it probably went bad due to the manufacturing defect with the sink/fan. I RMA'd it for a new one.

3) New one arrives, removed cheesy sink, put on the VGACooler.. Everything seems ok now.. Using 4.2 drivers, only a few problems in some games - annoyances, but nothing rediculous. ATI then releases a spate of horribly bad drivers from 4.3-4.7, breaks about half of my older games, so I have to driver swap 10 times a week depending on what I want to play.. BULL....

4) Get Doom-3, 9800Pro runs it ok, but not very good.. Come to find out ATI rushes out 4.9Beta drivers to try and fix their flaws causing Doom3 issues.. Try those, gain 1FPS.. BULL.. Back to work with you ATI, you got a ways to go yet.

So between all that, I jerked it out, went through 3 different 6800's before deciding on the king, the BFG6800GT-OC, had only marginal luck with the eVGA versions - they seem to have some manufacturing bugs to work out. But the BFG's are godlike in every way, and very very fast.... I am RMA'ing my 9800Pro once again for a new one, and when it comes back, i'll be posting it up on Ebay.

Run, don't walk, and get a BFG6800GT-OC man, you'll be shocked at how much better it is than a 9800Pro.

The Canadians lost my business forever.
 
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MrMiyagi

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I'm selling the 9800 pro for $200 and I don't want to spend more than $100 more on my card. So the GT is out of the question. My question is if I get the 6800, is it worth the $80 I'll be spending?
 
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Originally posted by: MrMiyagi
I'm selling the 9800 pro for $200 and I don't want to spend more than $100 more on my card. So the GT is out of the question. My question is if I get the 6800, is it worth the $80 I'll be spending?
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It will be twice as fast at Doom3, 20-30% faster at almost everything else.
 
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Originally posted by: MrMiyagi
I'm selling the 9800 pro for $200 and I don't want to spend more than $100 more on my card. So the GT is out of the question. My question is if I get the 6800, is it worth the $80 I'll be spending?
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i thought you said you were selling it to a buddy? he could get a new real 9800pro with a warranty and better overclocking potential for that price.
 
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GeneralGrievous

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People who have such problems with graphics cards might want to question their own competence and intellect before pointing fingers.

4) Get Doom-3, 9800Pro runs it ok, but not very good.. Come to find out ATI rushes out 4.9Beta drivers to try and fix their flaws causing Doom3 issues.. Try those, gain 1FPS.. BULL.. Back to work with you ATI, you got a ways to go yet.
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Someone needs to get this guy a clue. The 9800s had no framerate related performance issues in Doom 3.
 
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I've been know as a huge ATI fan. So its weird for me to say, but I would like to dump my Radeon9800P for a GeForce6800GT. Thats a good card.
 
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nRollo

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Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
People who have such problems with graphics cards might want to question their own competence and intellect before pointing fingers.

4) Get Doom-3, 9800Pro runs it ok, but not very good.. Come to find out ATI rushes out 4.9Beta drivers to try and fix their flaws causing Doom3 issues.. Try those, gain 1FPS.. BULL.. Back to work with you ATI, you got a ways to go yet.
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Someone needs to get this guy a clue. The 9800s had no performance issues in Doom 3.
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Really General?

thread about people with problems
 
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I am of the opinion that those people are complete fools quick to blame their 9800 Pro rather than their own stupidity...
My card is heavily overclocked and I have not had a single problem...am I the lucky one?
 
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MrMiyagi

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: MrMiyagi
I'm selling the 9800 pro for $200 and I don't want to spend more than $100 more on my card. So the GT is out of the question. My question is if I get the 6800, is it worth the $80 I'll be spending?
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i thought you said you were selling it to a buddy? he could get a new real 9800pro with a warranty and better overclocking potential for that price.
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Price decrease advice noted ;)
 
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GeneralGrievous

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My point was that he shouldn't expect the 9800s to run the game any faster than they do. Because of this "gain 1 fps" statement, I assumed his issue was to due with the 9800's framerate, rather than issues running the game properly. If you buy a mainstream card, obviously you are not going to get topnotch framerates. Thank you for correcting me, I'll edit that above post.

I cannot comment on the issues on 9800s with artifacting as I no longer have one. If they are bugs/glitches either ATI or iD will try and fix them. It remains to be seen whether the error is in overclocking as several, though not all, of those users are reporting.

Out of curiousity, what are you doing surfing the rage3d forums? You don't exactly fit in there.
 
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Kobra

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Originally posted by: Terranboy
I've been know as a huge ATI fan. So its weird for me to say, but I would like to dump my Radeon9800P for a GeForce6800GT. Thats a good card.
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At least someone here realises that 9800 fanboism mighta been cool last year, but now its just sad. The poor attitudes in this thread, reinforces the point even more - perhaps their anger is the clue? Rollo handed down some nice ownage there though.
 
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Although I'm sure that ATI makes great cards for the most part, I know of at least one game (Freespace 2, now semi-open source) which has exactly that kind of problem. It used to work perfectly up to ATI's 4.4 drivers but seems to have problems with all newer ATI drivers, with the lighting system not really working at all. The X800s will not work with such old drivers at all, so basically they cannot run this game properly. I play mostly DirectX games (although I will be picking up doom3 soon) but for me this sort of thing, even for one game, is unacceptable considering how much these new cards cost. I got a 6800 GT today even though the stock performance is slightly behind the X800 XTPE (the other one I was considering even though it costs more) at times, as I want all my games to work correctly with the new card. Of course, it's hard to pass up finding one of these things at a retail outlet at MSRP regardless of which product you prefer. :D
 
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Originally posted by: Kobra
The Canadians lost my business forever.
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you do know who did most of the work on the R300/r420 series right? It was the artX team. They are americans. Americans designed the card that you are blaming the canadians for.
 
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