Dumbledore was gay??

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Originally posted by: lupi
Good thing he is outed now. Can't wait to see how it effects the next book. oh wait.....

It affects the last book, by clarifying on the relationship between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, and why it was so hard for Dumbledore to see that he was evil and the things he was doing was wrong.
 

TheFamilyMan

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Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
There should have never a need to identify the sexual preferences of the characters. It's a fantasy book and the only fairies in it should have been the ones flitting around with sparkles trailing about them. She also knew if she ever came out BEFORE the series was over that he was gay that her sales would have suffered. I'll give it to her...she's pretty shrewd.

Do you have a problem with gay people? Should we also not clarify that a character is straight?

This thread is full of ignorance. Let me clarify something that has been mentioned several times in this thread.

A CHILD ASKED HER A QUESTION, AND SHE FUCKING ANSWERED IT.

Should she have lied because you're too immature to accept this small -- and according to you, insignificant -- detail?

Oh noes, not a gay character in a book!!! MY WORLD IS SHATTERED!!!!!

Grow the fuck up and get over it.


Oh blow me...you and everyone else that has to jump on someone's opinion...fucking retards...you and nakedfrog both. I never said she had to lie. I said the only reason she did it was the attention. Get a fucking clue and accept the fact that everyone that doesn't absolutely LOVE all the gayness in society today is automatically hate-filled. Oh wait...this is ATOT where to have a stance where person's sexual choice deserves to stay in the bedroom and not in public is deemed ignorance and hate-filled...I forgot.

And to answer your question...Rowling was the one who brought sexuality into the mix. It was her that deemed him 'straight' or 'gay'. It wasn't me. I simply said she could have answered without defining his dysfunctional choice.
 

Platypus

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Ahahaha, it wouldn't be a gay thread without the deliciously transparent, vitriolic hate-vomit of TheFamilyMan.
 
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Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: lupi
Good thing he is outed now. Can't wait to see how it effects the next book. oh wait.....

It affects the last book, by clarifying on the relationship between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, and why it was so hard for Dumbledore to see that he was evil and the things he was doing was wrong.

Cause mere friendship couldn't have blocked him......it had to be the prospect of hot sweaty bearded manlove.
 
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Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Oh blow me...you and everyone else that has to jump on someone's opinion...fucking retards...you and nakedfrog both. I never said she had to lie. I said the only reason she did it was the attention.
And I said the only reason she did it was because a kid asked her. This is a fact you seem to overlook in each of your gay-bashing ignorant posts.

Originally posted by: TheFamilyManGet a fucking clue and accept the fact that everyone that doesn't absolutely LOVE all the gayness in society today is automatically hate-filled.
I'm not fond of the idea of having a bunch of gay people walking around, but what difference does it make to me? Why should you or I give a fuck about someone's sexual orientation? Why should authors hide facts about their own books because it might get a rise out of people like you? I say again: get over yourself.

Originally posted by: TheFamilyManAnd to answer your question...Rowling was the one who brought sexuality into the mix. It was her that deemed him 'straight' or 'gay'. It wasn't me. I simply said she could have answered without defining his dysfunctional choice.

She could have, but why should she? It's an additional characteristic of Dumbledore, and clarifies parts of his past making it easier for us to understand some of his choices.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Oh blow me...you and everyone else that has to jump on someone's opinion...fucking retards...you and nakedfrog both. I never said she had to lie. I said the only reason she did it was the attention. Get a fucking clue and accept the fact that everyone that doesn't absolutely LOVE all the gayness in society today is automatically hate-filled. Oh wait...this is ATOT where to have a stance where person's sexual choice deserves to stay in the bedroom and not in public is deemed ignorance and hate-filled...I forgot.

And to answer your question...Rowling was the one who brought sexuality into the mix. It was her that deemed him 'straight' or 'gay'. It wasn't me. I simply said she could have answered without defining his dysfunctional choice.

You know, I think being called a "fucking retard" by you is actually something of a compliment :)
 

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Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Oh blow me...you and everyone else that has to jump on someone's opinion...fucking retards...you and nakedfrog both. I never said she had to lie. I said the only reason she did it was the attention. Get a fucking clue and accept the fact that everyone that doesn't absolutely LOVE all the gayness in society today is automatically hate-filled. Oh wait...this is ATOT where to have a stance where person's sexual choice deserves to stay in the bedroom and not in public is deemed ignorance and hate-filled...I forgot.

And to answer your question...Rowling was the one who brought sexuality into the mix. It was her that deemed him 'straight' or 'gay'. It wasn't me. I simply said she could have answered without defining his dysfunctional choice.

You know, you almost sounded non-crazy...right up until that last clause.
 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Oh blow me...you and everyone else that has to jump on someone's opinion...fucking retards...you and nakedfrog both. I never said she had to lie. I said the only reason she did it was the attention. Get a fucking clue and accept the fact that everyone that doesn't absolutely LOVE all the gayness in society today is automatically hate-filled. Oh wait...this is ATOT where to have a stance where person's sexual choice deserves to stay in the bedroom and not in public is deemed ignorance and hate-filled...I forgot.

And to answer your question...Rowling was the one who brought sexuality into the mix. It was her that deemed him 'straight' or 'gay'. It wasn't me. I simply said she could have answered without defining his dysfunctional choice.

You know, I think being called a "fucking retard" by you is actually something of a compliment :)



I agree. Maybe he can compliment me too!

I'm assuming you're not married Family Man, because that would be displaying your sexual choice outside the bedroom.
 

nageov3t

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as a writer, you frequently make up complex back stories for your characters in your head to help guide their actions and motivations, even if the back stories never make it into the actual story. it's just a tool to help you write better.

if, in JK Rowling's back story for Dumbledore, he was gay, why shouldn't she correct it if that's what she views as canon for the series?
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: loki8481
as a writer, you frequently make up complex back stories for your characters in your head to help guide their actions and motivations, even if the back stories never make it into the actual story. it's just a tool to help you write better.

if, in JK Rowling's back story for Dumbledore, he was gay, why shouldn't she correct it if that's what she views as canon for the series?

Apparently it doesn't matter, and she should keep mum for fear of making people uncomfortable. Revealing aspects of a character to portray motivations is really just an overused literary device anyway. Deus ex machina is the way to go.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Now that the books are over and everyone knows the ending she's trying to keep people interested. There's nothing in the books or movies to indicate what part of his sexual preference would mean anything. It's useless information afterwards that nobody cares about.

Perhaps true.

However, I think that it is more likely that she, as many authors before her, has reams of paper with notes about the characters' back-stories that have never been, and will never be, published. The style of the stories is clearly driven by character interactions and not strongly by plot (all of the books suffer from having the syndrome where the first 80% is simply back story and everything is resolved in the next 10%, leaving 10% for exposition at the end of the story). Generally an author whose writing bears those tendencies has spent most of his (or her) time creating the characters and inventing histories for them that may never show up in the books. The author then uses what is "known" about the characters' histories to determine the characters' reactions to situations in the books.

ZV
 

BigJ

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I don't look at the character any differently. It just felt like he was not a sexual being.
 
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Originally posted by: BigJ
I don't look at the character any differently. It just felt like he was not a sexual being.

He wasn't, really. The only time we see him making that sort of connection with anyone was with Grindelwald, which, if memory serves, was set at least 50 years prior to our reading.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What's the point of calling him gay?

Because you can't have a story or storyline these days without making sure you got the 'gay angle' covered. Gay is the new black in terms of discrimination and making sure you don't piss anyone off in terms of political-correctness. She couldn't have just said he chose not to pursue love and focused on running the school and left it at that. She purposefully expounds upon the fact his unrequitted love was for a man. Pathetic.

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
How does it add to the story?

It doesn't. She knows that her books aren't the talk of the literary circles any longer (in my opinion they never deserved to be there anyways) so she injects them back into the spotlight to generate more talk. Authors like Terry Brooks and Robert Jordan never stooped to something like this...they relied on great writing and compulsive story-telling and let the stories carry the books.

There should have never a need to identify the sexual preferences of the characters. It's a fantasy book and the only fairies in it should have been the ones flitting around with sparkles trailing about them. She also knew if she ever came out BEFORE the series was over that he was gay that her sales would have suffered. I'll give it to her...she's pretty shrewd.


yay! my favorite wanna-be P&N via Off-Topic troll!

still haven't embraced the gayness, eh Family Man?
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: BigJ
I don't look at the character any differently. It just felt like he was not a sexual being.

He wasn't, really. The only time we see him making that sort of connection with anyone was with Grindelwald, which, if memory serves, was set at least 50 years prior to our reading.

Even then, I really didn't even think of it as a sexual connection. The way she wrote it was as if they were just entranced by each other's genius.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: torpid
Harry Potter used to be the talk of literary circles? Wow, how far we've fallen...


Family Fan also regards Terry Brooks and Robert Jordan as (legit) subjects of literary circle discussions. further proof that his ignorance is boundless regarding any topic he chooses to troll.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
There should have never a need to identify the sexual preferences of the characters. It's a fantasy book and the only fairies in it should have been the ones flitting around with sparkles trailing about them. She also knew if she ever came out BEFORE the series was over that he was gay that her sales would have suffered. I'll give it to her...she's pretty shrewd.

Do you have a problem with gay people? Should we also not clarify that a character is straight?

This thread is full of ignorance. Let me clarify something that has been mentioned several times in this thread.

A CHILD ASKED HER A QUESTION, AND SHE FUCKING ANSWERED IT.

Should she have lied because you're too immature to accept this small -- and according to you, insignificant -- detail?

Oh noes, not a gay character in a book!!! MY WORLD IS SHATTERED!!!!!

Grow the fuck up and get over it.


Oh blow me

nah...that would make you too happy
 

imported_Tango

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Turin39789
why the hell would the book having a gay man in it make it unsuitable to be in a school?

Look at this list

Scary. I will never understand how people can still be so ignorant in the 21st century.

Books are works of art, and as such they obviously enclose all aspects of human life and behaviour. This doesn't mean they are meant to encourage any of those.

A few of the most important books ever written have a pedophile as the main character... so what? We stop studying Thomas Mann or Nabokov in school? How about a good 90% of all Greek philosophy? I guess these people would ban that too.

Ignorance really is miserable...
 
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In my Friends latin class, they've been spending a month reading erotic gay poetry in Latin. Kind of disturbing, reading gay fanfics in a dead language.
 

paulney

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Reading this thread I realized that the only people worse than homophobes are homophiliacs.
 
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I also heard that Harry might not have actually needed glasses. It might have been the case that he just liked the look.

Also, one Summer Hermoine joined a march against the war in Iraq.

I'll confirm these if I can if I get the chance to ask the author.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Tango
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Turin39789
why the hell would the book having a gay man in it make it unsuitable to be in a school?

Look at this list

Scary. I will never understand how people can still be so ignorant in the 21st century.

Books are works of art, and as such they obviously enclose all aspects of human life and behaviour. This doesn't mean they are meant to encourage any of those.

A few of the most important books ever written have a pedophile as the main character... so what? We stop studying Thomas Mann or Nabokov in school? How about a good 90% of all Greek philosophy? I guess these people would ban that too.

Ignorance really is miserable...

let's be careful with the generalizations (danielle steele, left behind BS, grocery store dime novels, etc.).

I know exactly what you're saying ("not allowing" high school kids to read Nobokov is a crime against humanity)...but not all books deserve the art label. ...just look at the subject of this silly little thread ;)