Dullard's College Football - Week 10, 2006

[dullard]

Lessons I learned from ATOT this year in my threads:
1) Clemson is the best 1 loss team in the nation.
2) West Virginia was ranked way too low in my program because they are going undefeated and to the national championship.
3) Tennessee MUST be ranked ahead of California.
4) Southern Cal is the only high ranked team which is vunerable because of narrow wins over marginal teams.

Reality learned from this weeks games:
1) Clemson now has 3 losses.
2) West Virginia lost.
3) Tennessee lost.
4) Ohio State, Michigan, and Florida were a play away from going into overtime with a marginal team.

And yet, the computer rankings barely moved. Why? Because these issues were already in the forecast.

Place , Win Rating / Win Place , Score Rating / Score Place , W , L , Team name
01 , 54.2 / 02 , 62.3 / 01 , 10 , 0 , Ohio State
02 , 54.2 / 03 , 59.5 / 02 , 8 , 1 , California
03 , 54.2 / 01 , 54.2 / 05 , 10 , 0 , Michigan
04 , 51.8 / 04 , 56.5 / 04 , 8 , 0 , Louisville
05 , 51.3 / 05 , 54.2 / 06 , 7 , 1 , Southern Cal
06 , 50.3 / 06 , 53.8 / 08 , 8 , 1 , Florida
07 , 45.1 / 13 , 57.4 / 03 , 7 , 2 , LSU
08 , 45.2 / 12 , 54.0 / 07 , 7 , 1 , West Virginia
09 , 45.9 / 11 , 53.1 / 09 , 9 , 1 , Texas
10 , 47.9 / 08 , 50.4 / 12 , 9 , 1 , Auburn
11 , 45.1 / 14 , 52.4 / 10 , 7 , 2 , Tennessee
12 , 46.0 / 10 , 51.0 / 11 , 9 , 0 , Boise St
13 , 44.8 / 16 , 49.5 / 14 , 7 , 2 , Oregon
14 , 45.0 / 15 , 49.2 / 15 , 9 , 1 , Wisconsin
15 , 46.7 / 09 , 46.7 / 17 , 8 , 0 , Rutgers
16 , 48.7 / 07 , 44.4 / 22 , 8 , 1 , Notre Dame
17 , 42.0 / 18 , 47.3 / 16 , 7 , 2 , Oklahoma
18 , 37.4 / 26 , 49.5 / 13 , 7 , 2 , Brigham Young
19 , 41.9 / 19 , 44.5 / 21 , 7 , 2 , Boston College
20 , 40.1 / 21 , 46.3 / 18 , 7 , 2 , Virginia Tech
21 , 42.2 / 17 , 42.7 / 24 , 8 , 1 , Arkansas
22 , 41.2 / 20 , 43.1 / 23 , 6 , 3 , Oregon St
23 , 37.7 / 25 , 45.0 / 20 , 7 , 3 , Clemson
24 , 38.5 / 24 , 40.9 / 26 , 6 , 4 , Washington St
25 , 33.9 / 33 , 45.1 / 19 , 7 , 2 , Hawai`i
26 , 39.9 / 22 , 38.7 / 33 , 7 , 2 , Georgia Tech
27 , 35.5 / 30 , 42.0 / 25 , 7 , 3 , Nebraska
28 , 37.2 / 28 , 39.3 / 30 , 6 , 4 , Penn State
29 , 36.4 / 29 , 38.8 / 32 , 8 , 2 , Texas A&M
30 , 39.0 / 23 , 35.9 / 41 , 8 , 1 , Wake Forest
31 , 33.7 / 34 , 40.3 / 28 , 7 , 3 , Missouri
32 , 31.9 / 38 , 40.7 / 27 , 6 , 3 , Pittsburgh
33 , 33.0 / 37 , 39.4 / 29 , 6 , 2 , TCU
34 , 37.4 / 27 , 33.5 / 48 , 7 , 2 , Maryland
35 , 34.0 / 32 , 36.3 / 38 , 7 , 2 , Tulsa
36 , 33.4 / 35 , 36.1 / 40 , 6 , 4 , Iowa
37 , 31.8 / 39 , 37.2 / 36 , 5 , 4 , South Carolina
38 , 33.3 / 36 , 35.0 / 44 , 5 , 4 , Arizona St
39 , 29.3 / 50 , 38.9 / 31 , 5 , 4 , Florida St
40 , 34.9 / 31 , 33.2 / 50 , 6 , 3 , Navy
41 , 30.9 / 41 , 37.2 / 34 , 4 , 5 , UCLA
42 , 30.4 / 42 , 37.2 / 35 , 6 , 4 , Georgia
43 , 29.0 / 51 , 36.9 / 37 , 6 , 4 , Alabama
44 , 29.9 / 44 , 35.1 / 43 , 7 , 3 , Houston
45 , 28.5 / 54 , 35.7 / 42 , 6 , 3 , Nevada
46 , 27.6 / 58 , 36.2 / 39 , 5 , 4 , Oklahoma St
47 , 29.9 / 45 , 33.7 / 47 , 4 , 6 , Washington
48 , 29.4 / 49 , 33.4 / 49 , 5 , 4 , Cincinnati
49 , 31.2 / 40 , 30.7 / 56 , 5 , 4 , Kentucky
50 , 27.2 / 59 , 33.8 / 46 , 6 , 4 , Texas Tech
51 , 28.8 / 52 , 31.7 / 54 , 6 , 3 , South Florida
52 , 28.3 / 56 , 31.8 / 53 , 4 , 6 , Minnesota
53 , 27.1 / 60 , 32.6 / 52 , 5 , 4 , Miami FL
54 , 25.5 / 65 , 34.1 / 45 , 4 , 4 , Air Force
55 , 28.6 / 53 , 30.9 / 55 , 6 , 4 , Kansas St
56 , 29.6 / 46 , 28.3 / 60 , 6 , 3 , Central Michigan
57 , 28.1 / 57 , 29.8 / 58 , 4 , 5 , Arizona
58 , 30.2 / 43 , 27.6 / 66 , 7 , 3 , Ohio U.
59 , 29.5 / 47 , 27.8 / 64 , 7 , 2 , Western Michigan
60 , 29.4 / 48 , 27.9 / 63 , 6 , 2 , San Jos? St
61 , 24.4 / 66 , 32.6 / 51 , 5 , 4 , Utah
62 , 28.5 / 55 , 26.6 / 69 , 6 , 4 , Purdue
63 , 25.8 / 63 , 28.1 / 61 , 5 , 4 , East Carolina
64 , 25.7 / 64 , 27.7 / 65 , 5 , 4 , Southern Miss
65 , 22.4 / 70 , 30.7 / 57 , 5 , 5 , Wyoming
66 , 26.7 / 61 , 24.9 / 72 , 6 , 3 , Middle Tennessee St
67 , 22.1 / 71 , 28.9 / 59 , 4 , 6 , Vanderbilt
68 , 24.0 / 67 , 26.8 / 68 , 4 , 6 , Michigan St
69 , 21.5 / 74 , 28.1 / 62 , 3 , 6 , Syracuse
70 , 26.3 / 62 , 23.0 / 77 , 5 , 5 , Indiana
71 , 22.5 / 69 , 25.7 / 71 , 5 , 4 , Northern Illinois
72 , 21.9 / 72 , 26.2 / 70 , 3 , 6 , North Carolina St
73 , 19.5 / 78 , 27.2 / 67 , 5 , 5 , Kansas
74 , 21.8 / 73 , 24.2 / 74 , 5 , 4 , New Mexico
75 , 23.0 / 68 , 22.6 / 79 , 3 , 5 , Connecticut
76 , 19.9 / 77 , 23.7 / 75 , 4 , 6 , Virginia
77 , 18.5 / 80 , 23.3 / 76 , 3 , 7 , Mississippi St
78 , 20.3 / 75 , 21.4 / 83 , 5 , 4 , SMU
79 , 19.9 / 76 , 21.5 / 81 , 4 , 5 , Rice
80 , 18.9 / 79 , 22.5 / 80 , 4 , 6 , Baylor
81 , 16.5 / 89 , 24.6 / 73 , 4 , 5 , Colorado St
82 , 17.0 / 86 , 22.8 / 78 , 2 , 8 , Illinois
83 , 18.0 / 84 , 21.5 / 82 , 4 , 5 , Marshall
84 , 17.8 / 85 , 21.2 / 84 , 4 , 5 , UTEP
85 , 18.3 / 81 , 18.7 / 88 , 5 , 4 , Kent St
86 , 18.3 / 82 , 17.7 / 93 , 4 , 4 , Troy
87 , 16.4 / 91 , 18.6 / 89 , 3 , 7 , Northwestern
88 , 16.9 / 87 , 17.8 / 92 , 4 , 5 , Akron
89 , 16.4 / 92 , 17.9 / 91 , 3 , 7 , Mississippi
90 , 14.1 / 96 , 19.1 / 87 , 3 , 6 , Alabama-Birmingham
91 , 13.3 / 97 , 19.6 / 86 , 3 , 7 , Ball St
92 , 12.7 / 99 , 20.2 / 85 , 1 , 7 , Fresno St
93 , 18.1 / 83 , 14.0 / 96 , 4 , 4 , Louisiana-Lafayette
94 , 15.7 / 93 , 14.7 / 95 , 3 , 6 , Tulane
95 , 14.5 / 95 , 13.8 / 97 , 3 , 7 , Iowa St
96 , 16.5 / 90 , 10.8 / 102 , 4 , 6 , Idaho
97 , 16.6 / 88 , 10.6 / 103 , 5 , 4 , Arkansas St
98 , 7.0 / 108 , 18.5 / 90 , 1 , 9 , Colorado
99 , 11.8 / 101 , 13.5 / 98 , 2 , 7 , Central Florida
100 , 14.5 / 94 , 10.4 / 104 , 4 , 6 , Bowling Green
101 , 9.2 / 105 , 15.2 / 94 , 1 , 7 , San Diego St
102 , 12.1 / 100 , 11.8 / 100 , 1 , 8 , North Carolina
103 , 10.5 / 103 , 11.8 / 101 , 3 , 6 , Toledo
104 , 11.4 / 102 , 7.3 / 109 , 3 , 6 , Florida Atlantic
105 , 6.1 / 110 , 12.2 / 99 , 2 , 7 , New Mexico St
106 , 9.0 / 106 , 9.2 / 107 , 3 , 7 , Army
107 , 13.1 / 98 , 3.1 / 116 , 3 , 6 , Louisiana Tech
108 , 10.2 / 104 , 5.7 / 112 , 0 , 9 , Stanford
109 , 3.6 / 113 , 10.3 / 105 , 1 , 8 , UNLV
110 , 7.5 / 107 , 5.0 / 114 , 2 , 7 , Buffalo
111 , 1.4 / 118 , 10.0 / 106 , 1 , 9 , Miami OH
112 , 2.8 / 114 , 8.1 / 108 , 1 , 8 , Memphis
113 , 6.5 / 109 , 3.0 / 117 , 2 , 7 , North Texas
114 , 2.5 / 116 , 6.2 / 110 , 1 , 8 , Eastern Michigan
115 , 2.6 / 115 , 5.8 / 111 , 0 , 9 , Duke
116 , 2.2 / 117 , 5.6 / 113 , 1 , 7 , Louisiana-Monroe
117 , 4.5 / 111 , 1.3 / 118 , 1 , 8 , Utah St
118 , 0.0 / 119 , 4.1 / 115 , 0 , 8 , Florida Int'l
119 , 3.9 / 112 , 0.0 / 119 , 1 , 9 , Temple

01 , 32.5 / 121 , 33.1 / 120 , 8 , 1 , Massachusetts
02 , 29.9 / 123 , 31.5 / 121 , 9 , 1 , Appalachian St
03 , 30.5 / 122 , 29.2 / 122 , 8 , 1 , James Madison
04 , 32.6 / 120 , 22.4 / 126 , 8 , 1 , Montana
05 , 27.6 / 124 , 26.8 / 123 , 8 , 1 , North Dakota St
06 , 26.8 / 125 , 25.3 / 124 , 8 , 2 , Youngstown St
07 , 25.2 / 127 , 23.5 / 125 , 7 , 2 , Illinois St
08 , 22.6 / 129 , 20.2 / 128 , 6 , 4 , Portland St
09 , 20.6 / 133 , 20.5 / 127 , 6 , 3 , New Hampshire
10 , 25.3 / 126 , 15.3 / 133 , 7 , 1 , Harvard
11 , 20.1 / 135 , 18.9 / 129 , 6 , 3 , Northern Iowa
12 , 21.6 / 131 , 16.7 / 132 , 6 , 3 , Cal Poly SLO
13 , 20.3 / 134 , 17.3 / 130 , 6 , 3 , Maine
14 , 24.5 / 128 , 9.0 / 143 , 7 , 1 , Princeton
15 , 14.3 / 144 , 17.0 / 131 , 4 , 5 , UC-Davis
16 , 21.0 / 132 , 10.0 / 140 , 8 , 1 , Tennessee-Martin
17 , 16.1 / 142 , 14.6 / 134 , 6 , 3 , Southern Illinois
18 , 17.1 / 139 , 11.7 / 137 , 9 , 0 , San Diego
19 , 22.4 / 130 , 5.9 / 153 , 7 , 1 , Yale
20 , 13.7 / 146 , 14.3 / 135 , 5 , 4 , Wofford
21 , 16.4 / 141 , 11.0 / 139 , 9 , 1 , Hampton
22 , 13.5 / 147 , 13.8 / 136 , 5 , 4 , Richmond
23 , 15.7 / 143 , 11.6 / 138 , 7 , 3 , Furman
24 , 16.7 / 140 , 9.8 / 141 , 6 , 3 , Towson
25 , 17.8 / 138 , 7.7 / 144 , 7 , 3 , Montana St
26 , 18.6 / 136 , 5.8 / 154 , 6 , 3 , South Dakota St
27 , 12.0 / 150 , 9.0 / 142 , 5 , 4 , Western Kentucky
28 , 14.0 / 145 , 6.4 / 150 , 7 , 2 , Coastal Carolina
29 , 12.4 / 149 , 7.7 / 145 , 5 , 4 , Lehigh
30 , 18.3 / 137 , 0.9 / 166 , 9 , 0 , Charleston Southern
31 , 11.6 / 151 , 7.4 / 147 , 4 , 5 , Northern Arizona
32 , 12.4 / 148 , 5.9 / 152 , 6 , 4 , Eastern Illinois
33 , 10.3 / 156 , 7.5 / 146 , 4 , 5 , Villanova
34 , 11.4 / 152 , 4.8 / 157 , 3 , 6 , Northeastern
35 , 9.1 / 161 , 7.0 / 148 , 5 , 4 , Jacksonville St
36 , 10.1 / 160 , 4.9 / 156 , 5 , 4 , Sam Houston St
37 , 8.5 / 163 , 6.4 / 151 , 4 , 5 , Delaware
38 , 10.3 / 158 , 3.8 / 158 , 4 , 5 , Rhode Island
39 , 7.4 / 167 , 6.7 / 149 , 5 , 5 , Western Illinois
40 , 6.5 / 170 , 5.6 / 155 , 3 , 6 , William & Mary
41 , 10.8 / 154 , 0.1 / 167 , 9 , 1 , Monmouth NJ
42 , 10.7 / 155 , -0.1 / 168 , 7 , 2 , Delaware St
43 , 10.2 / 159 , -0.2 / 170 , 4 , 5 , Sacramento St
44 , 8.0 / 165 , 1.6 / 164 , 4 , 4 , Pennsylvania
45 , 6.9 / 169 , 2.1 / 162 , 5 , 4 , South Carolina St
46 , 10.3 / 157 , -1.4 / 176 , 7 , 3 , Holy Cross
47 , 5.6 / 175 , 3.2 / 159 , 4 , 5 , Elon
48 , 11.0 / 153 , -3.4 / 185 , 7 , 2 , Alabama A&M
49 , 4.9 / 176 , 1.8 / 163 , 3 , 6 , Weber St
50 , 6.3 / 172 , -0.7 / 173 , 7 , 3 , Albany NY
51 , 7.9 / 166 , -2.6 / 180 , 9 , 0 , St John's MN
52 , 5.8 / 174 , -1.1 / 174 , 5 , 4 , McNeese St
53 , 6.1 / 173 , -1.7 / 177 , 3 , 5 , Brown
54 , 7.1 / 168 , -2.8 / 182 , 5 , 4 , Tennessee St
55 , 1.0 / 185 , 2.5 / 160 , 3 , 6 , Georgia Southern
56 , 4.5 / 177 , -1.3 / 175 , 3 , 6 , The Citadel
57 , 3.2 / 180 , -0.3 / 171 , 2 , 8 , Eastern Washington
58 , 0.1 / 190 , 2.4 / 161 , 2 , 7 , Stephen F. Austin
59 , 8.6 / 162 , -7.4 / 194 , 6 , 3 , Gardner-Webb
60 , 8.0 / 164 , -6.9 / 193 , 6 , 3 , Florida A&M
61 , -0.6 / 195 , 1.4 / 165 , 2 , 7 , Hofstra
62 , 2.1 / 182 , -2.5 / 179 , 7 , 3 , Central Conn St
63 , 3.3 / 179 , -3.7 / 186 , 4 , 5 , Lafayette
64 , -0.4 / 193 , -0.1 / 169 , 4 , 5 , Liberty
65 , 2.7 / 181 , -3.4 / 184 , 4 , 5 , Northwestern St
66 , -0.4 / 192 , -0.5 / 172 , 2 , 7 , Idaho St
67 , 6.4 / 171 , -7.5 / 195 , 6 , 3 , Arkansas-Pine Bluff
68 , 1.3 / 184 , -2.9 / 183 , 4 , 5 , Eastern Kentucky
69 , -0.5 / 194 , -1.8 / 178 , 3 , 6 , Southern Utah
70 , 2.0 / 183 , -5.1 / 189 , 4 , 5 , Nicholls St
71 , 3.4 / 178 , -6.7 / 192 , 8 , 2 , Drake
72 , 0.2 / 189 , -4.7 / 188 , 5 , 4 , Bethune-Cookman
73 , -1.0 / 198 , -4.0 / 187 , 3 , 6 , Colgate
74 , -3.2 / 203 , -2.6 / 181 , 3 , 7 , Chattanooga
75 , 0.4 / 188 , -8.1 / 198 , 4 , 5 , SE Missouri St
76 , -0.6 / 197 , -7.9 / 197 , 5 , 5 , Stony Brook
77 , -3.6 / 206 , -5.4 / 191 , 3 , 6 , Texas St-San Marcos
78 , -3.8 / 207 , -5.3 / 190 , 3 , 6 , Grambling St
79 , 0.8 / 186 , -10.1 / 202 , 5 , 4 , Jackson St
80 , -1.2 / 199 , -10.1 / 203 , 6 , 4 , Robert Morris
81 , -0.2 / 191 , -11.9 / 208 , 5 , 5 , Morgan St
82 , -2.9 / 202 , -9.7 / 200 , 8 , 1 , Georgetown KY
83 , 0.8 / 187 , -13.9 / 213 , 6 , 4 , Mississippi Valley St
84 , -2.7 / 201 , -10.5 / 204 , 3 , 6 , Tennessee Tech
85 , -3.6 / 205 , -9.6 / 199 , 4 , 5 , Southern U.
86 , -2.4 / 200 , -10.8 / 205 , 3 , 5 , Columbia
87 , -0.6 / 196 , -13.2 / 211 , 5 , 5 , Bucknell
88 , -3.3 / 204 , -11.5 / 206 , 4 , 5 , Alabama St
89 , -8.1 / 214 , -7.5 / 196 , 1 , 9 , Missouri St
90 , -6.2 / 211 , -10.0 / 201 , 3 , 7 , Samford
91 , -4.7 / 208 , -12.4 / 209 , 7 , 3 , Duquesne
92 , -5.2 / 210 , -13.1 / 210 , 4 , 4 , Alcorn St
93 , -4.9 / 209 , -15.5 / 216 , 5 , 4 , Davidson
94 , -7.1 / 213 , -13.9 / 212 , 1 , 7 , Dartmouth
95 , -6.4 / 212 , -17.2 / 219 , 3 , 6 , Howard
96 , -9.4 / 216 , -14.8 / 215 , 2 , 8 , SE Louisiana St
97 , -9.3 / 215 , -16.9 / 218 , 1 , 9 , Indiana St
98 , -10.4 / 218 , -16.1 / 217 , 1 , 8 , Northern Colorado
99 , -12.8 / 221 , -14.6 / 214 , 2 , 7 , Western Carolina
100 , -10.8 / 219 , -18.1 / 220 , 3 , 6 , Norfolk St
101 , -10.4 / 217 , -21.1 / 222 , 3 , 6 , Texas Southern
102 , -13.5 / 223 , -18.9 / 221 , 1 , 9 , Murray St
103 , -11.4 / 220 , -21.4 / 223 , 1 , 8 , VMI
104 , -14.9 / 225 , -22.6 / 225 , 4 , 5 , Dayton
105 , -14.2 / 224 , -23.9 / 226 , 2 , 7 , Fordham
106 , -18.2 / 227 , -22.3 / 224 , 2 , 7 , Prairie View A&M
107 , -15.6 / 226 , -25.1 / 228 , 4 , 6 , Wagner
108 , -12.9 / 222 , -31.6 / 230 , 4 , 5 , Jacksonville FL
109 , -21.3 / 228 , -25.0 / 227 , 2 , 7 , Austin Peay
110 , -21.7 / 231 , -28.9 / 229 , 2 , 8 , Sacred Heart
111 , -21.4 / 230 , -31.6 / 231 , 2 , 8 , Morehead St
112 , -23.1 / 233 , -31.8 / 232 , 3 , 6 , Iona
113 , -21.4 / 229 , -34.1 / 233 , 3 , 7 , Marist
114 , -22.7 / 232 , -38.2 / 234 , 2 , 8 , St Francis PA
115 , -23.9 / 235 , -39.0 / 235 , 3 , 7 , Butler
116 , -23.9 / 234 , -41.8 / 236 , 0 , 9 , North Carolina A&T
117 , -25.5 / 236 , -42.5 / 237 , 1 , 8 , Savannah St
118 , -26.2 / 237 , -43.9 / 238 , 2 , 7 , St Peter's
119 , -30.1 / 238 , -46.9 / 239 , 2 , 8 , Valparaiso
120 , -32.0 / 239 , -48.6 / 240 , 2 , 7 , La Salle
121 , -33.5 / 240 , -48.7 / 241 , 2 , 7 , Cornell IA

 

[Mermaidman]

Bah--no love for the Longhorns. Stupid computers.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Cal is Underranked in your poll.

 

[BeauJangles]

Dullard, how about a generic-formatted complaint?

<insert team name here> is under-ranked in your poll because <pick from below>
1. I work for ESPN and am really an analyst.
2. I am an alumni / current student at my school and can't see that we really suck
3. I am an idiot.
4. I don't trust teh compooters.
5. <insert better team name here> sucks and they are ranked above us.
6. Neither English, nor common sense are in my grasp.
7. I am under the delusion that <complainer's team) will win the national championship.

Feel free to add to the list. The advantage of this is people no longer have to type full complaints. They can just post "Dullard, complaint ( Oregon, 4)" and you'll know exactly what they mean!

Okay, more seriously. I think using other ranking methods makes it so glaring apparent that we need at least an 8 team playoff for the national championship. Keep up the good work.

 

[thraashman]

Georgia Tech and Wake Forest are ranked too low in my opinion. They lead the ACC dvisions and are both behind Clemson and VT and BC. Sure they both lost to Clemson, but they both have better records than Clemson too. And Ga Tech is all but guaranteed to go to the ACC championship game, they only have to win 1 of their last 2 ACC games to go, and those games are against UNC and Duke who both suck. It seems like from your poll a team like Ga Tech could win out, win the ACC championship, and then beat a team like Florida or Texas in a BCS bowl and still not rank above 15 to finish.

 

[JohnCU]

ehhh whatever. you can't really blame a current student for being bias.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Dullard, how about a generic-formatted complaint?

Okay, more seriously. I think using other ranking methods makes it so glaring apparent that we need at least an 8 team playoff for the national championship. Keep up the good work.

I agree on all accounts. I've argued for an expansion of our 2-team playoff to an 8 team playoff for years.

Originally posted by: thraashman
Georgia Tech and Wake Forest are ranked too low in my opinion. They lead the ACC dvisions and are both behind Clemson and VT and BC. Sure they both lost to Clemson, but they both have better records than Clemson too. And Ga Tech is all but guaranteed to go to the ACC championship game, they only have to win 1 of their last 2 ACC games to go, and those games are against UNC and Duke who both suck. It seems like from your poll a team like Ga Tech could win out, win the ACC championship, and then beat a team like Florida or Texas in a BCS bowl and still not rank above 15 to finish.

You are correct that Ga Tech won't go up in the next two weeks. Even with wins over some of the lowest rated teams won't be enough to push them up. What they have to hope for is that teams above them lose in the next few weeks. That may get Ga Tech up to the lower 20s. Then, Ga Tech will need to win handedly in the ACC Championship and the bowl game. Teams do frequently move 3-5 positions per week in my program. Thus, Ga Tech could gain 6-10 positions with quality wins there. So yes, 10-15 is where I'd expect them to finish. Maybe that is too harsh, but a 2-loss team can't expect to be top 10 unless lots of top ranked teams lose.

I could see a good arguement that Ga Tech now belongs around #22 (above the closely ranked 3 and 4 loss teams). But with 5 lossless teams, and ten 1-loss teams, you really can't argue that a 2-loss team belongs much higher than that.

Originally posted by: JohnCU
ehhh whatever. you can't really blame a current student for being bias.

As long as they realize ther bias, then the world is good.

 

[kalster]

If SC wins out, how will their computer rank stand at the end of the season,I would imagine if they beat Oregon, Cal, ND, and UCLA that would put them in the top 3 in terms of computer rank

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: kalster
If SC wins out, how will their computer rank stand at the end of the season,I would imagine if they beat Oregon, Cal, ND, and UCLA that would put them in the top 3 in terms of computer rank

I would suspect that they'd be either 1st or 2nd place. Clearly, Cal will drop down if SC beats them, moving SC up one spot. Also, either Ohio State or Michigan will lose, moving SC up another spot. The quality wins would definately move them past Louisville because the difference is so minimal right now. So they'd be at least in 2nd place. The problem is that the first place team will have also won out on a difficult schedule. The overall result is too close for me to call at this point.

 

[Syringer]

And yet, the computer rankings barely moved. Why? Because these issues were already in the forecast.

Yes, because you're so much smarter and credible than the BCS system/polls. I wish I could be you.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Syringer

And yet, the computer rankings barely moved. Why? Because these issues were already in the forecast.

Yes, because you're so much smarter and credible than the BCS system/polls. I wish I could be you.

His computer poll is just as credible as Massey/Sagarin/Colley/etc etc etc..

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Syringer
Yes, because you're so much smarter and credible than the BCS system/polls. I wish I could be you.

I see that you (A) can't understand what you read and (B) like strawman arguments.

First off, I would like to state that ALL the major computers (BCS included) were similar to mine and they ALL showed the same discrepancies between what posters here were posting and what the reality was. Thus, my comment was for ALL computer rankings. Not just mine. No where did I ever say that they were just my rankings.

For example, last week, West Virginia was #3 in the human polls and #13 in BCS computer averages. Thus, the computers were more accurate than the human polls. Same goes for the computer averages placing Cal ahead of Tenn. Etc.

Secondly, the BCS system is comprised with a large part of computer rankings. So how can you claim that I'm better than them when I am basically similar to them?

What I will claim is that computer rankings are better than the biased posters on ATOT.

 

[SP33Demon]

WVU stays in the 8 spot after losing to Louisville, yay.

 

[Cuda1447]

Here's a scenario. Say USC wins out, but loses to ND. (long shot I know, but I can be hopeful) ND wins out and obviously beats a top ranked USC. Michigan beats OSU easily and leaves only 1 undefeated team with quite a few one loss teams including USC/ND/OSU/Tennessee. Who gets the #2 spot?

*edit* I assume Louisville would need to lose too. As if they went undefeated surely they would be #2?

 

[sash1]

30 , 39.0 / 23 , 35.9 / 41 , 8 , 1 , Wake Forest

8-1, 1st in the ACC and 30th? not to mention the fact that I went there! GO DEACS!

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Here's a scenario. Say USC wins out, but loses to ND. (long shot I know, but I can be hopeful) ND wins out and obviously beats a top ranked USC. Michigan beats OSU easily and leaves only 1 undefeated team with quite a few one loss teams including USC/ND/OSU/Tennessee. Who gets the #2 spot?

*edit* I assume Louisville would need to lose too. As if they went undefeated surely they would be #2?

usc has already lost once, its pertty hard for them as it is, if they loose to ND they are basically out of it, i think at that point, 1 loss sec team (if there remains one) will have a good shot (along with louisville)

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
WVU stays in the 8 spot after losing to Louisville, yay.

Instead of being far ahead of the lower spots, WVU is now in a virtual tie with Texas, Auburn, Tennessee, and Boise St for 8th. So, one little blip down and suddenly WVU is in 12th position. Basically, they distroyed their safety cushion, but they are still barely in the same position.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Here's a scenario. Say USC wins out, but loses to ND. (long shot I know, but I can be hopeful) ND wins out and obviously beats a top ranked USC. Michigan beats OSU easily and leaves only 1 undefeated team with quite a few one loss teams including USC/ND/OSU/Tennessee. Who gets the #2 spot?

*edit* I assume Louisville would need to lose too. As if they went undefeated surely they would be #2?

This is your scenerio:
#1 OSU loses, #2 Cal loses, #4 Louisville loses (to undefeated Rutgers I assume?), #5 USC loses, and probably either #6 Florida or #10 Auburn loses.

Could you clarify the Rutgers/WVU result in your scenerio? Because that could throw a wrench into things. Suppose Rutgers is undefeated. They would have given Lousiville its only loss and WVU its second loss. It would be a shame if Rutgers made it to the National Championship game, but they would have an argument as being the only other undefeated team. So lets assume WVU wins to avoid this complication.

You'll be left with a very strong 1-loss OSU, a very strong 1-loss SEC winner (Florida, Arkansas, or Auburn), and a few other players with an argument (1-loss Notre Dame, 1-loss Texas, 1-loss Wisconsin, and 1-loss WVU).

I'd say it'll be a toss-up between OSU and the SEC champ.

The big-12 will cannabolize itself, the good teams that Texas won must lose for Texas to win out (weakening Texas's argument). Wisconsin just isn't up to par with OSU. WVU screwed themselves with an easy schedule. ND is just not quite there, with nearly 4 losses (although they managed some big comebacks).

 

[Cuda1447]

Well lets assume Rutgers wins out. Clearly they aren't a national championship contender, but according to the computer models they would get the #2 spot I would assume? Now as for ND, as big of a fan as I am, I'll admit they are no where near a top 5 team, IMO. However, those miraculous comebacks and sometimes collapses on the opponents part do not weigh into the computers. All they see is Wins/losses. With that being said. If ND's only loss comes to the #1 team, and them having beat a top 5 team in USC at the end of the season, doesn't that put them in strong contention for a #2 spot?


*edit* OSU/Rutgers may both be ahead of ND. But Rutgers has a much easier schedule despite being undefeated. As for OSU, who has the more difficult schedule, ND or OSU? Thats pretty much how it would be decided correct?

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Well lets assume Rutgers wins out. Clearly they aren't a national championship contender, but according to the computer models they would get the #2 spot I would assume? Now as for ND, as big of a fan as I am, I'll admit they are no where near a top 5 team, IMO. However, those miraculous comebacks and sometimes collapses on the opponents part do not weigh into the computers. All they see is Wins/losses. With that being said. If ND's only loss comes to the #1 team, and them having beat a top 5 team in USC at the end of the season, doesn't that put them in strong contention for a #2 spot?


*edit* OSU/Rutgers may both be ahead of ND. But Rutgers has a much easier schedule despite being undefeated. As for OSU, who has the more difficult schedule, ND or OSU? Thats pretty much how it would be decided correct?

I think the computers still wouldn't put an undefeated Rutgers in 2nd. The voters may however. Voters tend to weigh an undefeated team as being much better than most computer programs do. I'd wager that my computer might put Rutgers around #5 if they go undefeated and your scenerio plays out (with almost all the top teams losing).

Notre Dame will have a strong case. But OSU would also be a 1-loss team with their only loss to the #1 team in the land. ND's case isn't unique. That can't be the sole determination. And I think the voters would keep OSU above ND because of ND's stumbles. As for SOS, I think ND and OSU are fairly even. It'll be close, but I feel the voters will favor OSU.

 

[jlbenedict]

If Arkansas beats Tennessee, then I'd say that game will be the turning point of the remainder of the season. The remaining two games should be victories, including a home victory against LSU. (I believe they are overrated).

The thing Arkansas has going for them is this: They were overlooked this season; predicted to finish no better than 3rd in the Western Division. They continue to still slip under the radar. It took a victory against Auburn to get Arkansas recognized in the national polls. But, as with good things come, bad things are bound to happen: Tennessee game; both teams undefeated and Clint Stoerner fumbles the ball paving way for Tennessee to methodically run the ball, game winning drive ruining Arkansas's season. Razorbacks lost their next two of three (I can't remember what year that was.. fairly recent)

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Well lets assume Rutgers wins out. Clearly they aren't a national championship contender, but according to the computer models they would get the #2 spot I would assume? Now as for ND, as big of a fan as I am, I'll admit they are no where near a top 5 team, IMO. However, those miraculous comebacks and sometimes collapses on the opponents part do not weigh into the computers. All they see is Wins/losses. With that being said. If ND's only loss comes to the #1 team, and them having beat a top 5 team in USC at the end of the season, doesn't that put them in strong contention for a #2 spot?


*edit* OSU/Rutgers may both be ahead of ND. But Rutgers has a much easier schedule despite being undefeated. As for OSU, who has the more difficult schedule, ND or OSU? Thats pretty much how it would be decided correct?

Rutgers running the gambit in the Big East would be tougher than anything Notre Dame has accomplished this year: beating GT and USC (assuming they win). That's it. Every other team was either unranked or blew them out (Michigan). Rutgers beating 1 top ten team (assuming WVU is still in the top 10 by then) and 1 top 3 team is better than a 20 something team (GT) and 1 top ten team (USC). And I wouldn't even count the GT win that high with the computers since Rutgers will beat WVU who blew out UMD who beat Clemson who beat GT (summary - Big East top 25 wins are worth more than ACC wins).

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
If Arkansas beats Tennessee, then I'd say that game will be the turning point of the remainder of the season. The remaining two games should be victories, including a home victory against LSU. (I believe they are overrated).

The thing Arkansas has going for them is this: They were overlooked this season; predicted to finish no better than 3rd in the Western Division. They continue to still slip under the radar. It took a victory against Auburn to get Arkansas recognized in the national polls. But, as with good things come, bad things are bound to happen: Tennessee game; both teams undefeated and Clint Stoerner fumbles the ball paving way for Tennessee to methodically run the ball, game winning drive ruining Arkansas's season. Razorbacks lost their next two of three (I can't remember what year that was.. fairly recent)

The year was 98 and UT won the NC that year.

While Ark may be good, no team with a blowout loss should be considered. This includes Ark, ND, Cal. I also dont think LSU is overrated after watching them on Sat. Their run D is stout and that's all Ark can do.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Rutgers running the gambit in the Big East would be tougher than anything Notre Dame has accomplished this year: beating GT and USC (assuming they win). That's it. Every other team was either unranked or blew them out (Michigan). Rutgers beating 1 top ten team (assuming WVU is still in the top 10 by then) and 1 top 3 team is better than a 20 something team (GT) and 1 top ten team (USC). And I wouldn't even count the GT win that high with the computers since Rutgers will beat WVU who blew out UMD who beat Clemson who beat GT (summary - Big East top 25 wins are worth more than ACC wins).

Rutgers will have played two top 25 teams. ND will have played four.

Rutgers is ranked #101 in SOS by Sagarin, ND is #26.

Louisville may be boarderline #10, but WVU would be nowhere near top 10 if Rutgers wins out. Remember, WVU's claim to fame is that their only loss was to Louisville and Louisville's only claim to fame was that they beat WVU. If both lose, then that support structure under them will collapse. Sure they'll still be ranked top 25, but they certainly won't be top 10 and top 3.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
If Arkansas beats Tennessee, then I'd say that game will be the turning point of the remainder of the season. The remaining two games should be victories, including a home victory against LSU. (I believe they are overrated).

The thing Arkansas has going for them is this: They were overlooked this season; predicted to finish no better than 3rd in the Western Division. They continue to still slip under the radar. It took a victory against Auburn to get Arkansas recognized in the national polls. But, as with good things come, bad things are bound to happen: Tennessee game; both teams undefeated and Clint Stoerner fumbles the ball paving way for Tennessee to methodically run the ball, game winning drive ruining Arkansas's season. Razorbacks lost their next two of three (I can't remember what year that was.. fairly recent)

The year was 98 and UT won the NC that year.

While Ark may be good, no team with a blowout loss should be considered. This includes Ark, ND, Cal. I also dont think LSU is overrated after watching them on Sat. Their run D is stout and that's all Ark can do.

Don't count on that "running is all Arkansas can do".
It appears Casey Dick will be starting the remainder of the season, to improve on the pass game. Dick has a little more poise in the pocket than Mustain. If LSU stacks eight in the box, they might get burnt