Originally posted by: jlbenedict
Don't count on that "running is all Arkansas can do".
It appears Casey Dick will be starting the remainder of the season, to improve on the pass game. Dick has a little more poise in the pocket than Mustain. If LSU stacks eight in the box, they might get burnt
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: jlbenedict
Don't count on that "running is all Arkansas can do".
It appears Casey Dick will be starting the remainder of the season, to improve on the pass game. Dick has a little more poise in the pocket than Mustain. If LSU stacks eight in the box, they might get burnt
didnt arkansas declare before the sc game that he would quit if his defense played as bad as then did when sc dropped 70 on them, i think i heard that, whatever happened to that (he still gave up 50)
Too bad it wasn't the coach.. he was in the hot seat this season until the victory over Auburn. That win saved his job. Coach Nutt is still a mediocre coach and will never win a championship.Originally posted by: jlbenedict
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: jlbenedict
Don't count on that "running is all Arkansas can do".
It appears Casey Dick will be starting the remainder of the season, to improve on the pass game. Dick has a little more poise in the pocket than Mustain. If LSU stacks eight in the box, they might get burnt
didnt arkansas declare before the sc game that he would quit if his defense played as bad as then did when sc dropped 70 on them, i think i heard that, whatever happened to that (he still gave up 50)
Who: Casey or Mustain? or the coach?
You missed the point. You can rationalize it all you want, but Notre Dame hasn't played anyone that was top 10 or top 3 at the time and won. And at the end of the season, beating top 25 teams WVU and UL is still > GT (if they even finish in the top 25) and USC (big IF they even win). Rutgers will be higher ranked at the end of the season than ND if they run the Big East table and if ND wins the rest of their games, I guarantee you it. The humans will put much more weight on an undefeated team who played in a strong conference, beat a #3 and #10 (roughly) at the time vs a team whose only big win of the year is against USC (who will probably have 2 losses before that game even starts) and got completely decimated in their biggest game of the year.Originally posted by: dullard
Rutgers will have played two top 25 teams. ND will have played four.Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Rutgers running the gambit in the Big East would be tougher than anything Notre Dame has accomplished this year: beating GT and USC (assuming they win). That's it. Every other team was either unranked or blew them out (Michigan). Rutgers beating 1 top ten team (assuming WVU is still in the top 10 by then) and 1 top 3 team is better than a 20 something team (GT) and 1 top ten team (USC). And I wouldn't even count the GT win that high with the computers since Rutgers will beat WVU who blew out UMD who beat Clemson who beat GT (summary - Big East top 25 wins are worth more than ACC wins).
Rutgers is ranked #101 in SOS by Sagarin, ND is #26.
Louisville may be boarderline #10, but WVU would be nowhere near top 10 if Rutgers wins out. Remember, WVU's claim to fame is that their only loss was to Louisville and Louisville's only claim to fame was that they beat WVU. If both lose, then that support structure under them will collapse. Sure they'll still be ranked top 25, but they certainly won't be top 10 and top 3.
Auburn is ranked ahead in the win rating but behind in the score rating. The problem is that Auburn has done well and done poorly this season. 5-4 SC was a narrow win. Auburn's loss was a blowout. Heck, 3-7 Mississippi nearly beat Auburn. Florida is properly ranked ahead of LSU. But Auburn earned a lower rating with these bad games.
You lost the argument right there in bold. What they are ranked AT THE TIME is meaningless. All that matters is their ranking at the last day. Many, many teams have been ranked high and went on to have losing seasons. So, no the team that beat them while they were ranked high does not and should not get credit for beating a good team (because in fact, they were a below average team).
Originally posted by: jlbenedict
Don't count on that "running is all Arkansas can do".
It appears Casey Dick will be starting the remainder of the season, to improve on the pass game. Dick has a little more poise in the pocket than Mustain. If LSU stacks eight in the box, they might get burnt
Which is why all the head-to-head arguments I keep seeing here are weak. Yes, you did well on one team on one day. But that doesn't mean the rest of your season was that good. OSU nearly lost. But that DOESN'T mean Illinois is a great team and it doesn't mean they should be ranked high. Heck, even if Illinois won, they aren't a great team and don't deserve to be ranked high.
Maybe you didn't read the next sentence: And at the end of the season, beating top 25 teams WVU and UL is still > GT (if they even finish in the top 25) and USC (big IF ND even wins). End of story, that is the bottom line. And human polls will remember Rutgers beating a top 3 team (Louisville) and a top 10 team (WVU) at the end of the year, so you're wrong there as well (all computers aside).
You say ND winning is a big if. But you don't even bother thinking that Rutgers beating Louisville and WVU is ALSO a big if.
They will still be ranked higher than Notre Dame if they run the Big East table and if Notre Dame beats USC is the point. It's too hard to tell whether they would play for the NC at this point (OSU and Mich could choke before their big game, who knows where computers would put them).
You could have summed all those paragraphs up with the fact that I was right: RU will be ranked higher at the end of the season than Notre Dame (big IFs withstanding). That was the whole point of the discussion when I said ["Rutgers running the gambit in the Big East would be tougher than anything Notre Dame has accomplished this year"] and you refuted with ["Rutgers will have played two top 25 teams. ND will have played four. Rutgers is ranked #101 in SOS by Sagarin, ND is #26."] as if ND will finish ahead of them.
But you are wrong. And you haven't any good arguements to sway me to your side. So why would I give up and conclude that you are correct? Lets just sit back and watch the BCS rankings. I'll keep this in mind if they both run the table. We'll see then if you are correct. If you are correct then, I will humbly admit my defeat and your superiority.
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