Duke vs. Wake Forest

[Broohaha]

Go here and tell me if you notice anything interesting.

In case you didn't notice, Duke has played at the following locations: Cameron Indoor Stadium, Cameron Indoor Stadium, Cameron Indoor Stadium, Cameron Indoor Stadium, Cameron Indoor Stadium, Indianapolis, Ind., Greensboro, NC, Cameron Indoor Stadium, Greensboro, NC, Cameron Indoor Stadium, Cameron Indoor Stadium, Clemson, SC, Cameron Indoor Stadium.

Not only have they played nary a good team (I'll give them some credit for the win over a good Georgetown team though it was very close conisdering Georgetown is "not ranked" and Dook is "#1" and also the referees totally shafted Georgetown by calling a fourth foul on Sweetney early in the second half when Thompson took a Duke-patented dive to the ground) they have played every game at home or on "neutral courts." Their only non-home game was at freaking Clemson.

I despise Duke with such unbelievable passion that I cannot convey it in words. The most nauseating thing about them is that their fans keep bashing other teams (especially UNC) for being teams full of showboaters and hotdoggers when their players are the most obnoxious frontrunners imaginable. Duhon and Jones are especially unbearable.

Joke's on them though. K has kept this team from facing any challenges so he, they and their fans are in for a big surprise come tourney time. When they face a remotely battle tested team they're going down hard. Sweet sixteen at the latest but I'm hoping for round of 32 somehow.

 

[milagro]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Swag1138
Damn it, being a Carolina fan means I want both of them to have a non-fatal wreck on the way to the game and both forfiet.*



*non-fatal part added in so that I dont seem so completely evil........

As a horribly-biased Tarheels fan, my only possible contribution to this thread is: DUCK FUKE!!!

Ditto that from this Arizona fan.


Either way it should be fun game to watch and further proof College b-ball is where its at.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Swag1138
Damn it, being a Carolina fan means I want both of them to have a non-fatal wreck on the way to the game and both forfiet.*



*non-fatal part added in so that I dont seem so completely evil........

During last years Duke-UNC ACC Tourney game, I was cheering for the scoreboard to fall as both players were crossing court. Then, pretty-boy Matt runs out to check, and one of the panels falls on him.

I'm not worried about Coach K. He'll just get another mystery illness when he loses his players.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Coaching is what holds you back. And I'm sure UNC would love to have either Williams or Gray.

Williams, probably but we would much prefer Buckman, Harrison, Fraser, or Francis. Gray . . . no. Felton is good but not so great that he's likely to bolt before JR year. By then he'll be replaced by James'On Curry or Scott will learn how to dribble.

If Duke had to compete during Dean's early-mid era Duke might have 1 national championship. Most people have no clue that back in the day when you had to win the ACC tournament to go to the NCAAs a lot of really good teams stayed home. It's the reason why K poo poos the ACC tournament . . . he never paid a price for his teams' lack of depth.

The 1984 UNC is a flagrant foul away from winning a title (Kenny Smith). The very fact that Dean won his second title 1993 with a marginally talented crew is a testament to his coaching skills.

Plus Dean (and Guthridge) actually taught post players how to play defense . . . no flopping allowed. I want refs to start giving one-shot technicals for flop jobs . . . it's very unsportsmanlike.

As I said, Doherty is the worst coach in UNC history . . . I hope he gets better . . . he can't get much worse. I said it before, during, and after the Preseason NIT. We won on talent . . . and decent scouting . . . but not great coaching. Kansas/Stanford would never lose to Iona or Miami. Kentucky and Illinois were no flukes. UNC is capable of beating anybody . . . and losing to anybody by 20pts.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

We've done more with less than Carolina could ever dream of.

That's b/c you always have less . . . outside of Tim Duncan and Rodney Rodgers you have to go back to Bones McKinney to find riches in Winston.

 

[UNCjigga]

Carolina better beat Virginia. The last two games have been horrible (Miami: utter garbage; Davidson: My Gawd how many stupid 3pt attempts will you take? At least we won though...)

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

We'll beat UVA b/c Travis Watson is foul-prone machine. He'll have 15pts and 3 fouls in the first half. VA can't shoot. We can't either but we haven't turned the ball over as frequently as of late . . . granted we shoot 22ft bricks off the backboard but technically that counts as shot attempt.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

We've done more with less than Carolina could ever dream of.

That's b/c you always have less . . . outside of Tim Duncan and Rodney Rodgers you have to go back to Bones McKinney to find riches in Winston.

*cough* Randolph Childress *cough*

He sure tore both Carolina and Duke up every time he played.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Coaching is what holds you back. And I'm sure UNC would love to have either Williams or Gray.

Williams, probably but we would much prefer Buckman, Harrison, Fraser, or Francis. Gray . . . no. Felton is good but not so great that he's likely to bolt before JR year. By then he'll be replaced by James'On Curry or Scott will learn how to dribble.

No Grey wasn't as highly recruited as Felton, but he probably wasn't as highly recruited as Serge Zwicker either (who was a McD AA), but you better keep your eye on Justin. He's looked great so far.

If Duke had to compete during Dean's early-mid era Duke might have 1 national championship. Most people have no clue that back in the day when you had to win the ACC tournament to go to the NCAAs a lot of really good teams stayed home. It's the reason why K poo poos the ACC tournament . . . he never paid a price for his teams' lack of depth.

Dean coached for 20 years after the NCAAs expanded the tourney field. And each one of those years, he probably had as much prospect talent as the 2 and 3 teams combined. I believe he coached more McD AA than any other coach. With the talent he had in the 80s and 90s, he should have won more championships.

The 1984 UNC is a flagrant foul away from winning a title (Kenny Smith). The very fact that Dean won his second title 1993 with a marginally talented crew is a testament to his coaching skills.

Marginally talented by UNC standards. Pitino or Williams would have cleaned up with that group. Donald Williams couldn't miss that year. Smith also had Montross, Lynch, and Reese. Hardly a no talent bunch. The next year, he kept Williams and Montross, added Stackhouse and Wallace and lost to Boston College in the NCAA. How???

I want refs to start giving one-shot technicals for flop jobs . . . it's very unsportsmanlike.

I agree 100%. Boozer would have fouled out each game by halftime.

As I said, Doherty is the worst coach in UNC history . . .

Not in my book. For me he's near the top. Admit it, he's done something no other UNC basketball coach...





Made Carolina a football school.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Dean coached for 20 years after the NCAAs expanded the tourney field. And each one of those years, he probably had as much prospect talent as the 2 and 3 teams combined. I believe he coached more McD AA than any other coach. With the talent he had in the 80s and 90s, he should have won more championships.

Yes, my historically accurate but detail suspect friend, after every year he actively encouraged his top players to pursue the NBA.
Would his players get better with another year or two of college? Definitely

Would UNC route opponents by piling up players? No. Why pray-tell? you ask Because Dean would not recruit over players. A top point guard this year means NO pt guards recruited the next. Jason Williams went to Duke b/c he was not going to be a point at UNC . . . Ed Cota had the job.

During the latter part of Dean's tenure and all of Guthridge's, UNC had to compete with other coaches bantering to recruits about how retirement was going to Deep Six the program . . . true but still dirty.

 

[Pastfinder]

Damn it, being a Carolina fan means I want both of them to have a non-fatal wreck on the way to the game and both forfiet.*

Comn on, you can't be a UNC fan unless you root for Dook's defeat. I hope Coach K Through Z gets a little preaching by the Deacons and gets smacked down.


Shav. ain't that exciting. He has a ways to go before being something in college.


As for Doherty, give the guy a break. Coach Gut. wasn't around long enough to really recruit, so Doherty has to deal with the average players left from Gut. plus recruit new players. Last year was bound to happen. UNC is by far MUCH better than last year, there is no question to that. The team and the coach lack experience and we are seeing that with losses to Miami and Iona.

 

[NeoMadHatter]

Originally posted by: nightowl
When has Duke not been ready for a big game during the last 2 years. They did win the National Championship in 2001 and that is the biggest game of all for college. Also, what about when they came back against Maryland in 2001 after being down by 10 points with less than a minute to go? Coach K will always have his team ready for the big games. How can one of the best coaches in the NCAA not have is team ready? Duke is a very young team right now and the freshman are still getting in sink with things and they will only get better with time. Duke definatley struggles with big guys in the paint as they did last night against Georgetown. If the shots are not falling for Duke they will have a tough time with Wake Forest and the game will be close, but if the shots are falling Duke will win.

that was just because the refs called some stupid fouls on steve blake and he couldn't be in the game to guard "jay"son williams. and drew nicholas can't dribble. he might want to learn soon though.

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Duke won the title because Maryland had an "off night" when they played North Carolina State. If State hadn't beat Maryland, Duke would not be reigning as the champ....Maryland would.

I'm not sure how the game will pan out on Sunday night. Wake's team is young too, but they seem to play very well together and can hit their shots. I hope they don't get overly nervous and screw up.

both teams are pretty good. arizona will still be the best regardless of the stupid rankings. as a maryland student, i still don't understand why maryland is ranked as we have yet to beat any ranked team. can we have juan dixon back please...

and duke will win. they should have the acc in the bag. "should"

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Doherty spent the whole year talking about the great athlete Kris Lang. I kept pinching myself and blinking but he was talking about the same Kris Lang that could not run, jump, or dribble. I remember watching Kwame Brown (as a HS senior) at the BCBS tournament and thinking how he was a much better dribbler than any current Carolina player . . . that's a sad state of affairs.

UNC got worse as the year progressed in 2002. I understand youth. I understand lack of talent. But instead of plugging the holes and baling out the ship, most of the players were ready to jump ship. IMHO, every single coach in the ACC would have won more than 8 games with the players on the 2001-2002 team.

Great teams are better than the sum of their parts. Great coaches make it happen. UNC will have really good teams but we will not have a great team at UNC in the next 5 years . . . if Doherty is still the head coach and/or he doesn't make changes in his staff. Prior to the VT game I watched him talk to Dean so at least he's going to the well. I just wish he would drown in it. My secret fantasy is Doherty canning his current assistants for Dean, Phil Ford, Eddie Fogler, and Jordan.

As for the thread . . . go Wake.

 

[nightowl]

Well, the final score speaks for itself. 74-51 Duke. And there was one.....

 

[FettsBabe]

I really feel that Wake is truly the better team. However, I don't know what the hell they were doing last night...I do know one thing....they didn't play basketball.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I really feel that Wake is truly the better team. However, I don't know what the hell they were doing last night...I do know one thing....they didn't play basketball.

Wake got caught in the vagaries of college bball referees. The hand check is either illegal or not. Clearly flopping on defense is legal. Regardless, Duke knows how to hit open jumpers and Wake decided they would ignore their clear superiority on the interior and fire up a bunch of 3s.