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Duke players on 60 Minutes Sunday at 7:00 EST

spidey07

No Lifer
Not much of a fan of parading around in 15 minutes of fame but hopefully it will be a decent avenue to clear their name.

Let's hope it isn't typical 60 minutes spin on things. Oh, and the imus thing is on as well.

Let this show be a gauge of just how liberal the media is.
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml

I predict badgering the students on the outcome, forcing them to somehow admit that they are to blame for the entire situation.

-edit-
The purpose of this thread is about the media circus that is to ensue and to inform members to watch and make up their own minds. Of course we can hopefully see through the spin...I predict spin. In other words - there are a ton of threads about the case, this one specifically deals with this particular show.
 
I predict badgering the students on the outcome, forcing them to somehow admit that they are to blame for the entire situation.

And I predict you will claim this and be unable to point to anything to support your claim.
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
I predict badgering the students on the outcome, forcing them to somehow admit that they are to blame for the entire situation.

And I predict you will claim this and be unable to point to anything to support your claim.

Watch for the following:

1) How did you feel that night?
2) What made the party so rowdy that this claim could stand? What really happened that nigh.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: smack Down
I predict badgering the students on the outcome, forcing them to somehow admit that they are to blame for the entire situation.

And I predict you will claim this and be unable to point to anything to support your claim.

Watch for the following:

1) How did you feel that night?
2) What made the party so rowdy that this claim could stand? What really happened that nigh.
Still watching for it....:roll:

 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: smack Down
I predict badgering the students on the outcome, forcing them to somehow admit that they are to blame for the entire situation.

And I predict you will claim this and be unable to point to anything to support your claim.

Watch for the following:

1) How did you feel that night?
2) What made the party so rowdy that this claim could stand? What really happened that nigh.

1) Hmm, my guess is drunk and horny.
2) The former sentence doesn't make any sense. The claim was persued b/c the LB (figure it out) gave an account of an assault and then had enough physical trauma to her vagina (from unrelated incidents) that an ER nurse could conclude the woman had been assaulted.

The latter question is a softball. But they deserve to give their own account. The entire truth in synopsis, IMO: we ordered a stripper, we drank beer and liquor, we were a little lewd (OK very lewd) to the extent she wanted to leave, we convinced them to come back, we drank some poor, we watched her cellulite, we gave her money, she insulted us, we commented on her cellulite (and other physical/mental characteristics), she insulted us some more, and then they left.

Seligman wouldn't even have that much to say b/c he was long gone.

My point is that 60 minutes shouldn't be blamed for asking fair questions. I agree with the OP that its a chance for the Duke players to tell their stories and even focus on how it feels to be falsely accused. I'm not sure that counts as circus.
 
If I was those kids parents the last place I would let them go was back to the media that convicted them. Since they paid the millions to keep them out of jail I would say the parents have some say in what they should do. Reminds me of that poor kid that was abducted for (4) years then a week after he was found he was on the Oprah show.
 
Makes me sick. I cant believe this went on for so long. The fact that she failed to even identify that one guy correctly, and that another had video from an atm when he was supposed to be raping her is just disgusting.
 
Originally posted by: Cabages
Makes me sick. I cant believe this went on for so long. The fact that she failed to even identify that one guy correctly, and that another had video from an atm when he was supposed to be raping her is just disgusting.

I dont understand how the prosecutor could refuse to see evidence provided by the defense.

 
NiFong could care less about the players. He cares about playing the "R" card for politically correctness to win votes.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why are the wingnuts so obsessed with this Duke rape case? It's like the usual suspects just can't shut up about it.
Because they were tried and convicted by the media and black activists for being white and rich and nothing else.
These guys lost what should have been one of the best years of their lives.
 

Why are the wingnuts so obsessed with this Duke rape case? It's like the usual suspects just can't shut up about it.

Several reasons:

1. It shows that false accusations of sex crimes DO occur and that the police and prosecutors are willing to railroad people. Sadly, there are probably thousands of other cases based on maliciously false claims where the police and prosecutors have railroaded innocent people and sent them to jail. If you read the newspapers, about once a month there will be a story about a person on death row being proven innocent by DNA evidence. That our criminal justice system is severely flawed and that it routinely victimizes innocent people is a huge and very important issue for anyone who takes values freedom and justice.

2. It shows that women can and will destroy men's lives merely by making maliciously false accusations of rape, harrassment, child abuse, or molestation. It shows that false accusation of rape may, in fact, be very, very common. The mere verbal accusation without any further evidence could be enough to start a prosecution and, in this case, to create a media frenzy. Consequently, this case has gained the attention of the men's movement because it shows the amount of sex discrimination that males can face.

3. It exposed Marxist/Feminist/Leftist professors and commentators as being filled with hatred and bigotry. Many organizations, such as Duke's "Gang of 88" (professors who condemned the accused and signed a statement last year, early on in the case), the NAACP, various news reporters and commentators, and others now have egg on their face. The case shows that they are willing to demonize people merely because they are white males.

Those are some of the reasons why the case has received so much attention and why so many people have latched onto it and have followed it avidly. Many people feel that a tremendous injustice has been done and that all of the perpetrators of the hoax--Nifong, Duke University's administration, Duke's "Gang of 88", the Durham Police, the NAACP, and an assortment of media sources need to be severely punished, criminally, by civil lawsuits, and/or by being publically embarrassed.

The people who are outraged over the hoax and who have followed it are not "Wingnuts". Rather, they want to see justice done. In contrast, the people who want to sweep this under the rug, perhaps by hoping that Don Imus's comments will sweep the Duke case under the rug, are the real Wingnuts here.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why are the wingnuts so obsessed with this Duke rape case? It's like the usual suspects just can't shut up about it.
Because they were tried and convicted for being white and rich and nothing else.
These guys lost what should have been one of the best years of their lives.

Um, they were rude to their stripper and she responded with a WMD . . . rape accusation. She didn't charge the tennis team. Then again, they didn't have a stripper party with alcohol.

There's very little evidence that false accusations of rape, harassment, child abuse, or molestation are a significant problems. There's ample evidence that all of those go underreported. That in no way mitigates the great harm done to people that are falsely accused.

But let's be clear how this breaks down:
1) The LB is malicious.
2) Nifong was overzealous.
3) Defense counsel was incompetent.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why are the wingnuts so obsessed with this Duke rape case? It's like the usual suspects just can't shut up about it.

I dont think you have to be a wingnut to talk about this case. This case can be anybody on this msg board. An overzealous prosecutor trying to win a re-election decides to throw some innocent people under the bus. The question I have is why is the left so hush hush about this?
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why are the wingnuts so obsessed with this Duke rape case? It's like the usual suspects just can't shut up about it.

I dont think you have to be a wingnut to talk about this case. This case can be anybody on this msg board. An overzealous prosecutor trying to win a re-election decides to throw some innocent people under the bus. The question I have is why is the left so hush hush about this?

Because it shows just how far most democrat candidates will go to pander to the black vote. It's the same story in every election where a candidate needs the black vote. Just play on the victimization culture of many blacks by stirring up some racial tension, be a democrat, and the votes are in the bag. That is one thing that I despise about the way the democratic party works, especially in a national election. They whip up certain voting blocks into a frenzy by casting them as victims, and producing a bad guy for them to focus their hatred on. Labor vs Management, blacks vs whites, latinos vs whites, rich vs poor, etc. Republicans do it on an international level with terrorists and communists and such, but hating someone across the world creates alot less domestic problems than hating your neighbor. Whats ironic, is the politicians that do it are always the bad guys they want their voting blocs to rail against. They are white, rich politicians.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why are the wingnuts so obsessed with this Duke rape case? It's like the usual suspects just can't shut up about it.
Because they were tried and convicted for being white and rich and nothing else.
These guys lost what should have been one of the best years of their lives.
I thought they were tried for rape and ultimately they were acquitted?
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why are the wingnuts so obsessed with this Duke rape case? It's like the usual suspects just can't shut up about it.
Because they were tried and convicted for being white and rich and nothing else.
These guys lost what should have been one of the best years of their lives.
I thought they were tried for rape and ultimately they were acquitted?


They were tried because the accuser was black, and a democratic prosecutor, who is a rich white man, running for reelection needed to play off the outrage and racial tension in the community for black votes. Nothing more, nothing less. Them being "rich" white men, and opposed to just white men, was just an added bonus since many blacks resent rich white men.
 
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Why are the wingnuts so obsessed with this Duke rape case? It's like the usual suspects just can't shut up about it.

Several reasons:

1. It shows that false accusations of sex crimes DO occur and that the police and prosecutors are willing to railroad people. Sadly, there are probably thousands of other cases based on maliciously false claims where the police and prosecutors have railroaded innocent people and sent them to jail. If you read the newspapers, about once a month there will be a story about a person on death row being proven innocent by DNA evidence. That our criminal justice system is severely flawed and that it routinely victimizes innocent people is a huge and very important issue for anyone who takes values freedom and justice.

True, that's an important point right there. It also brings up issues with our state's death penalties considering the lapses in our legal system. It's a good system, but not perfect obviously.

2. It shows that women can and will destroy men's lives merely by making maliciously false accusations of rape, harrassment, child abuse, or molestation. It shows that false accusation of rape may, in fact, be very, very common. The mere verbal accusation without any further evidence could be enough to start a prosecution and, in this case, to create a media frenzy. Consequently, this case has gained the attention of the men's movement because it shows the amount of sex discrimination that males can face.

There's a "men's movement?" 😕 What's that about?

3. It exposed Marxist/Feminist/Leftist professors and commentators as being filled with hatred and bigotry. Many organizations, such as Duke's "Gang of 88" (professors who condemned the accused and signed a statement last year, early on in the case), the NAACP, various news reporters and commentators, and others now have egg on their face. The case shows that they are willing to demonize people merely because they are white males.

Ahhhh, now I'm starting to see it. I just knew there was a partisan angle in there somewhere. I read the original ad they took out (http://listening.nfshost.com/listening.htm) )and it appears they are simply highlighting racism and their student's thoughts on the matter, not casting judgment. Surely, you aren't naive enough to think that in North Carolina racism has been wiped out, do you?

Those are some of the reasons why the case has received so much attention and why so many people have latched onto it and have followed it avidly. Many people feel that a tremendous injustice has been done and that all of the perpetrators of the hoax--Nifong, Duke University's administration, Duke's "Gang of 88", the Durham Police, the NAACP, and an assortment of media sources need to be severely punished, criminally, by civil lawsuits, and/or by being publically embarrassed.

The people who are outraged over the hoax and who have followed it are not "Wingnuts". Rather, they want to see justice done. In contrast, the people who want to sweep this under the rug, perhaps by hoping that Don Imus's comments will sweep the Duke case under the rug, are the real Wingnuts here.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I thought they were tried for rape and ultimately they were acquitted?
This isn't correct, they were merely charged but it never reached a trial. What is so unusual is the Prosecutor made all sorts of public statements about how guilty they were and publicly denounced them as a bunch of "hooligans", but eventually agreed to turn over the case after severe questions were raised about it (such as the semen DNA in the victim being from men other than the three indicted) and eventually agreeing to turn over the case to other attorneys after he was brought up on state bar ethics charges over the case. After an examination of the case, the State Attorney concluded that the evidence showed the three accused were clearly innocent of all charges. Its extremely unusual to have such an obvious case of a rogue prosecutor.
 
Don't get me wrong - I agree this entire case was a colossal travesty of justice. No doubt about it. I'm mostly just curious about who is obsessing over it and why.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why are the wingnuts so obsessed with this Duke rape case? It's like the usual suspects just can't shut up about it.
Because they were tried and convicted for being white and rich and nothing else.
These guys lost what should have been one of the best years of their lives.

They weren't convicted.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey

I thought they were tried for rape and ultimately they were acquitted?

They were NOT tried in court, though perhaps they were tried early on in the court of public opinion where the MSM and pundits salivated over the idea of rich white children at a prestigious university having committed a sex crime.

Rather, this case never made it to trial and was going to end up getting dismissed eventually due to a complete lack of evidence (and also evidence showing innocence) and the rape charges had already been dropped.

Last week the North Carolina Attorney General, Cooper, said that the charges were being dropped not merely because he didn't believe the state could obtain a conviction, but rather because his investigation had concluded that the three victims (the accused) were completely innocent of the charges and he then said that he thought Nifong was a "rogue prosecutor". That is almost groundbreaking--one state prosecutor calling another state prosecutor a "rogue prosecutor" after having declared suspects to be completely innocent. That's almost like police officers turning on fellow police officers for beating up a suspect.

 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey

There's a "men's movement?" 😕 What's that about?

There isn't really a men's movement and nothing like NOW, sadly. For various reasons, most of them related to sex roles and their effect on socialization, men just aren't interested in gender issues and looking out for themselves (and they're paying for it). However, there are some organizations and writers that do want to fight for men's rights and equal rights for men under the law. One such writer is former NOW board member Warren Farrell, who wrote the excellent books Why Men Are the Way They Are, which is mandatory reading for any woman who wants to understand how men really think and why, The Myth of Male Power, and Why Men Earn More, among other books. There's also an active blog at http://news.mensactivism.org

What kinds of issues are men interested in?

The failure of the legal system to deal with false accusations of rape, domestic violence, and child abuse, which are often used as weapons in divorce proceedings. For example, shouldn't the woman who made the false accusation in the Duke case get prosecuted for making a false accusation as vigorously as prosectors would prosecute a rape case? Why aren't the police treating her like a criminal and shouldn't she have to face the same punishment the victims of her false accusation would have faced? To men, the failure to prosecute for this awful crime and the lack of a punishment as harsh as the one the victims of the false accusation would have faced reeks of unfairness and discrimination.

Unfair child support and alimony orders as well as unfair custody awards.

The discriminatory all-male draft.

Circumcision -- also known as legalized male genital mutilation.

Paternity fraud and states' unwillingness to address the issue and to absolve men of child support obligations when DNA evidence proves that a man is not a father (not to mention orders to compensate men for having wrongly paid child support).

Paper abortions for men--also known as "choice for men", allowing men to be absolved of all child support obligations when they do not want to become fathers, which makes women responsible for their own choices to give birth when they have 100% of the choice about whether or not a child will be born (since they could just have abortions).

A health system that concerns itself with trying to cure women's illnesses (such as breast cancer) while spending less money researching men's illnesses (such as prostate cancer).

Most of the homeless are men. Men have a shorter life span, and 75% of all suicides are by men. Also, men cannot "marry up" out of poverty or the lower class like women can.

Women also benefit from affirmative action type programs.

That isn't an exhaustive list by any means and probably just a drop in the bucket. (You can learn more in Farrell's The Myth of Male Power.) Defintely go read Why Men Are the Way They Are, which is all about male-female dynamics. You won't see the world the same again and you'll understand male psychology better.

Unfortunately, men have been conditioned, through sex roles and their socialization, not to complain, not to think introspectively, but rather to "take it like a man" and suffer. For a woman, the paradigm is "Her body, her choice" but for a man it's "His body, no choice" or "A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do." That's why men, overall, really aren't interested in girlish-like concerns such as complaining about unfairness and fighting for equal rights and identical rights.

 
I edited my earlier post since so many people misunderstood it.
They were tired and convicted by the media, black activists and the Duke administration.

The two worse things about this case is that these guys lives were essentially ruined for a year while they waited to see if they were to go on trail and maybe even spend time in jail.
And the fact that future rape cases may not be reported or prosecuted because victims see the mess this became and decide it is not worth it.

I think they should now charge the accuser for making false statements.
 
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