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Dude, sucks to be this guy

SunnyD

SunnyD

Belgian Waffler
At least he'll have his UAW pension and lawyers to help him out...

BERLIN - German authorities say they have charged retired Ohio auto worker John Demjanjuk with more than 29,000 counts of accessory to murder for his time as a guard at the Nazi's Sobibor death camp, and will seek his extradition from the U.S.

Demjanjuk is accused of participating in the murders while he was a guard at the Nazi camp in occupied Poland between March and September 1943.

The 88-year-old who lives in a Cleveland suburb denies involvement.

The Munich prosecutor's office, which is handling the case because Demjanjuk spent time at a refugee camp in the area after the war, said Wednesday it was working on the extradition request with the German government.

U.S. authorities have been seeking to deport Demjanjuk.
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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
interesting...seems more P & N to me...

poor guy, I wonder if he had any actual involvement...
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eh, doesn't that sentiment depend on his guilt or innocence?
 
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
interesting...seems more P & N to me...

poor guy, I wonder if he had any actual involvement...
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Seriously - how many articles that are quoted in OT really belong in P&N but never get there? OT would be a pretty damn boring place without Nazi's running around to mess things up!
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
If it is true, off to the gallows.
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I thought soldiers just follow orders and are above blame for the mistakes of their superiors?
 
If he killed people than string him up. If he was just a guard assigned to the camp then cut him so slack. Soldiers are ordered to do terrible things sometimes.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
If it is true, off to the gallows.
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I thought soldiers just follow orders and are above blame for the mistakes of their superiors?
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As a non-officer I would have thought so too...however, his name could have been specifically mentioned in manuscripts of survivor testimony. Perhaps he had more of a role than just being a guard.
 
Originally posted by: halik
HOLY lacking details batman,
here's the wiki article on the guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk
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Wow, based on the information within the Wikipedia article it sounds like the entire thing is sort of a mess. I think it is significant to note that he has already been tried once which was over-turned based on a procedural error. Should he be tried twice; double jeopardy?
 
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: halik
HOLY lacking details batman,
here's the wiki article on the guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk
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Wow, based on the information within the Wikipedia article it sounds like the entire thing is sort of a mess. I think it is significant to note that he has already been tried once which was over-turned based on a procedural error. Should he be tried twice; double jeopardy?
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He was tried the first time as Ivan the Terrible, which they acquitted him of as they could not equivocally prove that he actually was. This time they want to try him simply as an SS Guard that participated in the death of 29,000 people.
 
What would have happened to these guards if they refused their orders? Many of them were drafted so they had no choice whether they wanted to join the military or not, and then they were forced into positions they may not have wanted.
 
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: halik
HOLY lacking details batman,
here's the wiki article on the guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk
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Wow, based on the information within the Wikipedia article it sounds like the entire thing is sort of a mess. I think it is significant to note that he has already been tried once which was over-turned based on a procedural error. Should he be tried twice; double jeopardy?
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He was tried the first time as Ivan the Terrible, which they acquitted him of as they could not equivocally prove that he actually was. This time they want to try him simply as an SS Guard that participated in the death of 29,000 people.
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But they're trying him on murder charges twice, which is double jeopardy. The fact that the courts attempted to try him as someone else is a risk they took and lost. They could have tried him as an ordinary prison guard the first time but they chose the more risky charges instead.
 
Honestly, I think way too much time has passed for any evidence to be considered credible. Especially eyewitness accounts. I don't know whether or not this guy was a murderer, but I don't see how they can possibly convict him.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
What would have happened to these guards if they refused their orders? Many of them were drafted so they had no choice whether they wanted to join the military or not, and then they were forced into positions they may not have wanted.
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It's kinda confusing with this guy.

Apparently he was a captured soviet soldier who volunteered to collaborate with the Nazis while he was in a POW camp. He was trained at Trawniki camp to become a SS prison guard, and served at Treblinka and Sobibor.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
But they're trying him on murder charges twice, which is double jeopardy.
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Entire World != US.

Does Germany have a double jeopardy clause like the US does?
 
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