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Journer

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so i have seen a lot of motherboards with dual gigabit integrated NICs...why is this? is there any advantage? how does your computer react to having two IPs? does the software automatically load ballance? o_O
 

vorgusa

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its mainly for server abilities. being able to get info from one are and send it to another or act as a gateway, firewall, doing loadbalancing for a network, etc. I have seen people do things like hook their xbox up to one and internet to another to use XBconnect back in the day.
 

bluestrobe

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Originally posted by: Journer
so i have seen a lot of motherboards with dual gigabit integrated NICs...why is this? is there any advantage? how does your computer react to having two IPs? does the software automatically load ballance? o_O

I asked a local hardware guru about this when they first hit the market (10/100). He claims it?s a marketing gimmick that?s cheap to produce compared to the added profit.
 

ch33zw1z

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he doesnt sounds like much of a guru, it's mainly for serving so you can have router capabilities.
 

Madwand1

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I think it's mostly a gimmick. On a real server, with a fancy switch, etc., and multiple concurrent users, it makes sense. But some home users think "ooh, cool, I can double my network performance", etc., based on the marketing, buy a board or two, and then find out that they're wrong -- they don't do this.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=36&threadid=1931808&enterthread=y

In the AM2 line for example, you need to get a higher-end AM2 chipset/board to get dual NICs. It doesn't make a lot of sense to get a higher-end board to just run a software router, esp. when $5 NIC could do that job just as well.
 

Lemon law

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When you consider that many mobos don't have many expansion slots to put that $5.00 NIC into, and those are rapidly depleted by other needed devices, when you need that extra NIC--it can be very handy to have it on the mobo.
 

vorgusa

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well Dual nics can become usefull if you are doing some crazy Media server projects at home to stream media all over your house.. it is not that usefull for anything else someone would consider doing at home... even a small office would not find it very useful
 

JackMDS

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Because it is only 50cents to add a second NIC.

It helps to atract the Network newbies who think that they can combine the two and "Milk" more Bandwidth.

:sun:
 

birdog

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I works good for me though. I have a server set up that has to have public IP and I use the other one with synergy behind a local router like a KVM but with different OS's and comuters altogether.
 

nweaver

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Originally posted by: Madwand1
I think it's mostly a gimmick. On a real server, with a fancy switch, etc., and multiple concurrent users, it makes sense. But some home users think "ooh, cool, I can double my network performance", etc., based on the marketing, buy a board or two, and then find out that they're wrong -- they don't do this.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=36&threadid=1931808&enterthread=y

In the AM2 line for example, you need to get a higher-end AM2 chipset/board to get dual NICs. It doesn't make a lot of sense to get a higher-end board to just run a software router, esp. when $5 NIC could do that job just as well.

Agreed, I think it's 95% gimmick
 

nweaver

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
When you consider that many mobos don't have many expansion slots to put that $5.00 NIC into, and those are rapidly depleted by other needed devices, when you need that extra NIC--it can be very handy to have it on the mobo.


Routers should only do one thing: Route traffic. Putting other services on the router opens it up to other problems/vulnerabilities.
 

nweaver

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Originally posted by: vorgusa
its mainly for server abilities. being able to get info from one are and send it to another or act as a gateway, firewall, doing loadbalancing for a network, etc. I have seen people do things like hook their xbox up to one and internet to another to use XBconnect back in the day.

How many of the boards get run as servers, other then by a home user?


I would never dream of putting these things into my production enviroments. I want a TRUE server when I need it, not some desktop hopped up on memory....
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: JackMDS
Because it is only 50cents to add a second NIC.

It helps to atract the Network newbies who think that they can combine the two and "Milk" more Bandwidth.

:sun:

Not true Jack - anyone who's anybody knows that you need 2 KillerNIC cards to milk more bandwidth out of your connection :laugh:
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Journer
so i have seen a lot of motherboards with dual gigabit integrated NICs...why is this? is there any advantage? how does your computer react to having two IPs? does the software automatically load ballance? o_O

The only way I've ever seen it used is as a router or firewall - basically you plop some server software like IPCop on it and place it between your modem and your network or between your router and your network and then use it to route, act as a firewall, be a VPN server, that sort of thing. I guess it could also be used for Internet sharing to another computer or networkable device the same room, if you plug in the Ethernet cord into your modem/router and then a crossover to another computer.
 

spidey07

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I think it's mainly for redundancy. It's very common to have servers attached with two - 8 NICs for performance and redundancy.
 

nweaver

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Originally posted by: spidey07
I think it's mainly for redundancy. It's very common to have servers attached with two - 8 NICs for performance and redundancy.

I don't think they're talking real servers here Spidey :(

How many people "build" real servers themselves (aka talk about features of the motherboard). I just call my local supermicro rep and ask what's hot (which is currently 2 full servers in a single 1U chassis)
 

JackMDS

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Talking about consumers Motherboards.

By this time even the Hardware manufacturers, that usually are so concentrated on their Niche in the world and being oblivious to any thing else, know that the majority of people use Routers to share Internet, and thus do not need two NICs for Routing.

As far as peer to peer Network goes, the Wireless trend was the last nail in software NATing practice.

So why put the second NIC (which is a relatively recent phenomenon in consumer Mobos)?

As I mentioned before, it adds few cents to the production, and thousands of board are sold because they boast with having two NICs.

The prevalent process is usually the following.

First "Joe" buys a Mobo, or a computer with such Mobo. Then he "runs" to his favorite forum to find how to ?Team? it up and "Cheat" his Bandwidth. Then he uses the F word when he finds out that it is No can do.

I think that it was Spidey that long time ago was the first here with the term ?It is all about Marketing?.
 

spidey07

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Or it could be a trickle down combination from other server technologies as they've had multiple on board NICs since before 2000.

Or more likely, it's more=better. So if mobo manufacturer A puts out a board with dual NICs it will be advertised as "newer, better, it's more!" All the rest follow suit. Then the customer realizes that he really can't use the 2nd nic except in very peculiar circumstances that normally are a "bad idea" in the first place.

Like having more than on IP address on a single host. ;)
 

marulee

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Originally posted by: vorgusa
its mainly for server abilities. being able to get info from one are and send it to another or act as a gateway, firewall, doing loadbalancing for a network, etc. I have seen people do things like hook their xbox up to one and internet to another to use XBconnect back in the day.

Fair enough!

You may simply use one for Adhoc mode as well..
 

InlineFive

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Originally posted by: marulee
Originally posted by: vorgusa
its mainly for server abilities. being able to get info from one are and send it to another or act as a gateway, firewall, doing loadbalancing for a network, etc. I have seen people do things like hook their xbox up to one and internet to another to use XBconnect back in the day.

Fair enough!

You may simply use one for Adhoc mode as well..

You can't use Dual NICs in Ad-hoc, that's a wireless feature. :) If you are talking about directly connecting two computers with a crossover cable then yes, that would work. Except we are dealing with a single computer.
 

nweaver

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Originally posted by: InlineFive
Originally posted by: marulee
Originally posted by: vorgusa
its mainly for server abilities. being able to get info from one are and send it to another or act as a gateway, firewall, doing loadbalancing for a network, etc. I have seen people do things like hook their xbox up to one and internet to another to use XBconnect back in the day.

Fair enough!

You may simply use one for Adhoc mode as well..

You can't use Dual NICs in Ad-hoc, that's a wireless feature. :) If you are talking about directly connecting two computers with a crossover cable then yes, that would work. Except we are dealing with a single computer.

remember, please ignore Marulee....they have no clue what a network is...
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
he doesnt sounds like much of a guru,

I disagree. IMO that guy is more of a guru because he's able to see beyond marketing.

Originally posted by: spidey07
Or more likely, it's more=better. So if mobo manufacturer A puts out a board with dual NICs it will be advertised as "newer, better, it's more!" All the rest follow suit.

Yup, we've already seen that. Dual PCI-E (though of more use than dual NICs), dual BIOS, dual channel... what's next? OMG, quad core is out... quad SLI, quad NICs, quad BIOS... :roll:

Originally posted by: nweaver
remember, please ignore Marulee....

OMG dude hasn't been banned for resurrecting 500 dead Hot Deals threads with smiley faces?
 

ch33zw1z

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Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
he doesnt sounds like much of a guru,

I disagree. IMO that guy is more of a guru because he's able to see beyond marketing.

That doesnt make you a "guru", just shows that you don't believe everything you see or hear.

Dual NICs are great for some situations. Average user doesnt need it.