Dual Core Processors - why do so many people want them to game?

[TSCrv]

oh yea, speaking about pentium 3s, im all for DC bacause the fact that my dual cpu 500mhz P3 got better benchmarks (well, VERY close), and better capability for dedicated server than my p4 2.0 ghz did.... meaning 1.0ghz > 2.0ghz ... server stuff, running bots on cs i can run about 14 or 16 on my 2.0, but i can run about 24 or 26 on my p3 rig

i was very impressed and i never bought another p4 since then. and the same reason ill be doing DC without a doubt

 

[TSCrv]

Originally posted by: Some1ne
I was thinking more of the dual-core socket 940/opteron boards, which do require fancy RAM...but who would want a dual P3 or Athlon XP in the days of the Athlon64 and P4/Pentium M? Are there any dual-CPU Athlon64 boards?

actually im in the market to buy a SECOND dual p3 setup.... they perform a lot better than you think.... you jsut have to configure them correct (scsi is faster than the ram if u have a good setup)

and designit.... id love to see that demo by intel, (i WAS on your side till that post)

 

[Blain]

Originally posted by: Some1ne

Sure, dual CPU rigs have been around for a long time and do the same thing...

And also require more specialized mainboards, two times as many HSF units (and twice the associated real-estate), usually special RAM (registered/ECC), and are usually aimed at workstation/server class systems...

* 2x the real-estate? They don't make cases that large.
* Dual Xeons on an 875PE based MB uses regular old PC3200.

 

[TSCrv]

Originally posted by: Blain

Originally posted by: Some1ne

Sure, dual CPU rigs have been around for a long time and do the same thing...

And also require more specialized mainboards, two times as many HSF units (and twice the associated real-estate), usually special RAM (registered/ECC), and are usually aimed at workstation/server class systems...

* 2x the real-estate? They don't make cases that large.
* Dual Xeons on an 875PE based MB uses regular old PC3200.

but he has a point that with 2 cpus that u need 2 usually big and bulky HSFs

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: designit

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: designit

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: designit
Ok lets look at this senario
asuming you have home wireless network
you are in home office and doing a rendering project for your client
your son is in his room skipping homework 🙂 and playing game on your nework(single pc)
your wife is in kitchen watching a cooking show and wants to download the recipe,
Your mother-in law 🙂 is in the livingroom and watching a movie on dvd running on your home computer system that you downloaded for her while rendering for your project.
This is real situation and can happen as often as you can imagine.
Now tell me CAN your AMD fx55 handle this?

this makes no sense. your router should handle most of the traffic and if you have a dvd on your machine that you are streaming, that will be handled by the hdd and use little cpu. besides you shoudn't be d/l movies, that is illegal

the only thing that is cpu intensive is the rendering

why do i need a wireless network to do that?

what movie website you do your illegal downloading?
you are absurd. I am not talking about breaking the law, maybe you do, not me.
if any you go to sites that you pay for downlds. I don?t use this feature anyway since I have never done it and am not so much a gamer or a movie freak. I was just presenting a scenario. but you instead, starting this none sense accusation. I am new to this site- Please don?t start making it a sour experience for me. Hope you are less blunt in your next post,
thanks

i am just going off of what you said. if there is a place to d/l full dvd movies legally, let me know as i buy mine. i am not trying to be a d!ck, but just being realistic. you may be a noob here but that is not an excuse to making a post that is ridiculous in its cpu requirements.

Intel has a demo showing 4 rooms in a house w/ networking and demo on how and advantage of dual. I basically repeated their demo. If you have any technical issue/problem with it please contact Intel.
below is a link to their customer service.
thanks

http://www.intel.com/feedback.htm?iid=Corporate+Header_Contact&

PS: I think most members here including the product reviews are AMD devotees as it shows here in this forum and the way the reviews are conducted. The review of Intel CPU may superficially looks as though fair and square. But by dissecting the way it is written it gives the reader a tendency to lien toward AMD. This may explain why most viewers here downgrade Intel and hyped up on AMD.
This site is useless to me since I find it bias, and viewers like yourself become belligerent toward another. as soon as positive feedbacks on Intel is mentioned.

There are plenty other websites that are fair and square and best for making the right decision on what to buy-unlike here.

why don't you look at my rig in my sig. you are so ignorant thinking only intel has dc...nooob. besides i wasn't even bringing intel vs amd into this, it is dc or non dc (both intel and amd have them). i am pro whatever works for me, you would be f*cking stupid to buy based on brands if it doesn't do what you need it to. honestly i didn't even know you were quoting a intel demo. most peeps around here have atleast some type of understanding of how cpus work and are not taken in by the millions of $$$ intel spends on marketing. and the only reason i stated to get a 3000venice in the first post is because you can o/c the piss out of them to equal a 3.4+Pentium. go to toms...

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: TSCrv
oh yea, speaking about pentium 3s, im all for DC bacause the fact that my dual cpu 500mhz P3 got better benchmarks (well, VERY close), and better capability for dedicated server than my p4 2.0 ghz did.... meaning 1.0ghz > 2.0ghz ... server stuff, running bots on cs i can run about 14 or 16 on my 2.0, but i can run about 24 or 26 on my p3 rig

i was very impressed and i never bought another p4 since then. and the same reason ill be doing DC without a doubt

i would agree that my last dually -> 2xp3 1Ghz was pretty equal to an xp2000 but still not as fast as my current 2.8c. and i was using equal scsi on all machines too, so it wasn't an unfair comparison, i just sold it a while ago while i still could get some good $$ money out of it. i still have 2xp3 550Mhz sitting in the closet waiting to find a dirt cheap dual slot 1 board and some pc133....

the early p4s from what i remeber were dogs, the p3 1.4 tualatins killed the early 1.7P4s, but those are expensive, still

my main question was for gamers not server. it seems as though many gamers think they are going to get so much mor than they will in games. a server is a truely differnt beast

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: TSCrv

Originally posted by: Blain

Originally posted by: Some1ne

Sure, dual CPU rigs have been around for a long time and do the same thing...

And also require more specialized mainboards, two times as many HSF units (and twice the associated real-estate), usually special RAM (registered/ECC), and are usually aimed at workstation/server class systems...

* 2x the real-estate? They don't make cases that large.
* Dual Xeons on an 875PE based MB uses regular old PC3200.

but he has a point that with 2 cpus that u need 2 usually big and bulky HSFs

the hsfs are the same size, there is just an extra one...

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Some1ne

dc is still aimed at workstation/server class systems ->$500+ for a cpu?

That's only if you don't count the Pentium dual-core chips. You can get the entry-level one of those for $250 (retail box), which is fairly reasonable. I do agree that the AMD dual-core chips are still priced a bit too high to be accessible.

but you need a new m/b

 

[grant2]

Originally posted by: bob4432
so is it for bragging rights or am i missing something?

It's because computer enthusiasts tend to buy the latest technology.

(pretty obvious when you think about it...)

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: grant2

Originally posted by: bob4432
so is it for bragging rights or am i missing something?

It's because computer enthusiasts tend to buy the latest technology.

(pretty obvious when you think about it...)

maybe i am just getting old and don't see the necessity of having the newest and spending a mint when it will be 30%+ cheaper in a couple of months, unless i can write it off as a business expense 🙂

 

[Blain]

Big Lar told me I would be cool if I would get a DC rig. :laugh:

 

[FirNaTine]

I am new to this board and want an x2, but for probably a different reason than most. My athlon xp 2200 system is rapidly approaching 3 yrs old with out any major upgrades. The next system hopefully will last about as long. My focus has been general web/office use which are not cpu intensive, with some light photshop elements/home video editing occasionally. But the little woman tells me she's expecting. I know pinnacle studio plus is going to be getting alot more of a workout over the next few years. I looked at benchmarks recently where the x2 4800+ was almost twice as fast as the 4000+ single core in the same app I will be using. And while I will be gaming, my interest lies more in being able to leave my software firewall, antivirus, and antispyware running with less loss of performance, than with absolute best fps and killing every thing else.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: furballi
People don't fill-up the gas tank and leave the filler cap out.

A few mouse clicks to save $300. It's a no-brainer deal.

fight the future!

 

[Polish3d]

Just got the following system up and running:


Athlon X2 4400+ @ prelim. OC of 2.42ghz (FSB 220)
2 Gigs Mushkin HP PC3200 @ 240 (Achieves 6,000 in Sandra and I haven't even optimized timings yet)
BFG 7800GTXOC @ 'stock' 460/1300
SB Audigy 2
DFI Sli NF4 DR
Raptor 74
NEC 3540a


How about an average of 95fps on BF2 @ 1680x1050 res w/ 2x AA and almost all settings on High

And installations and general use so fast it's hard to believe.


TOTALLY worth it and I upgraded from a P4 3.4ghz

 

[Polish3d]

BTW w/ Antec P180 case w/ 3 120mm fans I'm getting 38c idle cpu at this OC level

 

[BOLt]

What is the connection between a user with < 100 posts and wanting dual core?

I game, encode, multitask, etc. and I want a dual core very much. Basically, the AMD64 x2's are the perfect processors (except for the price, which will get down to $350 by the end of the month, so that's still not such a big factor).

It really does depend on what you do with your computer. I haven't seen many people that want x2's for the sole purpose of gaming. There is usually something else behind it, like wanting to multitask a lot or something.

The fact that "assumption" has the word "a$$" in it can't be a coincidence...

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Just got the following system up and running:


Athlon X2 4400+ @ prelim. OC of 2.42ghz (FSB 220)
2 Gigs Mushkin HP PC3200 @ 240 (Achieves 6,000 in Sandra and I haven't even optimized timings yet)
BFG 7800GTXOC @ 'stock' 460/1300
SB Audigy 2
DFI Sli NF4 DR
Raptor 74
NEC 3540a


How about an average of 95fps on BF2 @ 1680x1050 res w/ 2x AA and almost all settings on High

And installations and general use so fast it's hard to believe.


TOTALLY worth it and I upgraded from a P4 3.4ghz

that is a nice setup but you could have gotten the same fps with a 3000venice o/c to 2.2 since you have that gpu and your installations would still have been as fast since you have that hdd.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: BOLt
What is the connection between a user with < 100 posts and wanting dual core?

I game, encode, multitask, etc. and I want a dual core very much. Basically, the AMD64 x2's are the perfect processors (except for the price, which will get down to $350 by the end of the month, so that's still not such a big factor).

It really does depend on what you do with your computer. I haven't seen many people that want x2's for the sole purpose of gaming. There is usually something else behind it, like wanting to multitask a lot or something.

The fact that "assumption" has the word "a$$" in it can't be a coincidence...

it just seem that a lot of people with <100 post come on here asking for recommendations for a gaming rig and everybody wants x2 when there will be no benefit with a dual core, especially at the current prices, when they are ~$300 then they will be a good bang/buck but at $530+ the ratio is way too high on the $$$ end

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: Frackal
Just got the following system up and running:


Athlon X2 4400+ @ prelim. OC of 2.42ghz (FSB 220)
2 Gigs Mushkin HP PC3200 @ 240 (Achieves 6,000 in Sandra and I haven't even optimized timings yet)
BFG 7800GTXOC @ 'stock' 460/1300
SB Audigy 2
DFI Sli NF4 DR
Raptor 74
NEC 3540a


How about an average of 95fps on BF2 @ 1680x1050 res w/ 2x AA and almost all settings on High

And installations and general use so fast it's hard to believe.


TOTALLY worth it and I upgraded from a P4 3.4ghz

that is a nice setup but you could have gotten the same fps with a 3000venice o/c to 2.2 since you have that gpu and your installations would still have been as fast since you have that hdd.

I don't think so. For instance, on a review done w/ my memory, it was on an oc'ed venice.

He only got 4800, while I got 5500 at the same speeds.

I was just playing BF2 at stock speeds (b/c it is sensitive to OC) and (maybe because of new Nforce drivers) I was hitting 95-99.9fps constantly in multiplayer AT 1680x1050 2xAA High Quality...

The performance is amazing, once I OC this 2.2 to a 2.6 it will be like having 2 FX 55's slapped together

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: BOLt
What is the connection between a user with < 100 posts and wanting dual core?

It was just a very poorly veiled attempt to complain about n00bs. By someone who hasn't been here anywhere long enough to complain about that.

Originally posted by: bob4432
when they are ~$300 then they will be a good bang/buck but at $530+ the ratio is way too high on the $$$ end

If price/performance ratio was the only important characteristic to selecting a CPU, we'd all be using overclocked Celerons. Some value has to be applied to other factors.

 

[teutonicknight]

I have a little over 100 posts and I want an X2... then again I fall into that small percentage of people who "do encoding all day". 🙂

Every single "Pro" app is optimised for use on dual processors. The prospect of poping in an X2 (in the next year or so) on my A64 is very exciting. In addition to the speed improvments, I multitask a lot.

Example: I edit a scene in Vegas 6, Haftway through, I need to create a motion graphic, so I render a segment and open that video in Combustion. While tweaking the effect to perfection (which doesn't take that much system resources), I prerender my scene in Vegas so that I can preview it when I import the graphic. While I'm creating the effects, I decide that I need to create a texture, so I open up Photoshop. Create the texture. Import it into C*. Export from C* to Vegas.

This is not at all an uncommon setup. In fact, I usually have Vegas, Photoshop and Sound Forge open at the same time when I edit, switching between them constantly.

 

[nycdude]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I have more than 100 posts and I want an X2 proc. While I do play a lot of games, thats not the sole reason for my computers.

Second, it will not be long before there is lots of SMP/SMT software available. You've got to remember that both AMD and Intel are pushing the muti-core chips.

Yes, your OC'ed Venice will cost less and perform better now, but as time goes on and more software gets optimized, the DC is going to continue to pull ahead.

That's why you get the Venice now, then pick up a 4800+ when it gets down to like $150. I never game and surf the internet anyway. I don't even know why you'd want to, or how it's possible. Encoding maybe, but I don't encode that much and the little I do can wait until I'm done. I'm DEFINITELY not going to drop $500 on a proc just to prove how big my e-wang is.

what he said.

 

[fstime]

I will not purchase a dual core until games start taking advantage of the two cores.

Until then, i'll use my Intel for multitasking and my A64 for gaming.

 

[NokiaDude]

It's the latest and greatest. If people were like you and upgraded when prices lowered, our whole economy would collapse.


I bet you'd buy a used car because you think "oh I'll wait for the prices to come down".

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: furballi
Have benchmarked a DC CPU with Prime95 and SuperPi at 1M digits. Also tested DVD ripping (10 to 12x) with SuperPi. There is at least a 19% hit in SuperPi when multi-tasking. DVD ripping time also increase with SuperPi running in the background.

Bullsh^t...

I ran TMPGenc and superpi and my superpi 32mb score maybe took a 3% hit...if that...Your prime95 theory does not make a lot of sense since both superpi and prime95 will only use one core by themselves....neither one should realkly drag the other down...unless you use blend test in which prime95 wants to tie up all the pyscial memory and should not be considered a DC things...That is stupid..You copuld have 4 co4res and have that happen....


Look at my test....

I showed TMPGenc gained 100% fatser speed with multithreaded enabled versus off....I showed ADT2004 (autocad viz renderer) gained 50+%.....

There are many uses that Dual core gives me what perhaps had we continued down the single core route that may have not been delivered or equalled for several years....

I can run single threaded apps at their max and virtually have another 2.55ghz cpu to do anything else I want...

I tested this with Folding at home....Running one instance with nothing on I recorded my frame rate...then I launched another instance and guess what same protein and not only did the 2nd instance do the frame at same rate it never slowed the first one down...2 boxes in one!!!! I then turned off one instance and ran superpi....It did not even slow the 1 instance down at all..Virtually everything else I did that was not a SMP aware app wuld run off of the 2nd core and let Folding at home take its 50%....

Please have a bit more knowledge on the testing end before you make ridiculous claims...



Edit: as for DVD rippiung....if you use dvdshrink it is SMP aware form a little to a lot depending on use of deep ananlysis and adaptive correction...This would likely cause a slowdown as the both compete for their need of cycles versus available...