Dual boot linux?

DIRTsquirt

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I have just successfully dl'd redhat 7.2 and burned the iso's to cd's. I wanna install a dual boot config with my existing win2k setup
win2k has a 100gig hd all to itself (ntsf) There is an additional 30 gig (ntsf) seperated 20/10gig. I wanna install the linux on the 20 gig partition that resides on the first partition of the secondary master ide channel.
The last thing I want is my win2k stuff to be destroyed or altered.
The read me on the cd's offers nothing. can anyone give me some pointers? and or point me in the right direction?
I wanna check out linux but dont want the cost to be to great (lost data major butt pain. etc.)
 

manly

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To install Linux, you will want two partitions (expert installations may take more).

One partition is for the Linux filesystem, otherwise known as the root filesystem
The other partition is for swap. Without knowing anything about your system, or what you plan to use it for, I'd say the swap partition ought to be about 512 MB.

So now the only question is how to partition the second drive. First off, is the 10 GB partition a live one with live data? If so, your options are more limited.

Secondly, do you have Partition Magic? If so, then it's actually quite simple to repartition the drive in just about any way you need.

However, I can't give specific information because we know only the size of your partitions (20 GB and 10 GB), but we don't know the actual partitioning scheme used.

Are they both primary partitions? Or extended partitions? Based on the actual partitioning scheme you have, we can give specific advice.
 

DIRTsquirt

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I follow you so far. I need to partition magic the 20 gig drive dividing it into 2 drives (I have 512mb ddr) say 19gig active and 1 gig swap. I am with ya on this so far. The $1.98 question is what file system do a format with.
The stuff on the other 10gig I will transfer b4 I conduct this operation. I still wanna leave that partition ntsf. for backup zippy storage.
I can get past all this with the exception of the fat fat32 ntsf question. Then where do I go from there.
I gather the objective is to install linux to the newly formated partition. but it is here that all the fuzzyness begins.
how do keep it from installing over win2k. how do I select os's.
Thanks in advance for your time and knowledge
 

n0cmonkey

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If you want to protect Win2k perfectly (and your backups are not enough) install it on another system. If you will not do this there is always the chance of something going wrong. Since I found your posts hard to read Ill tell you the basic steps. 1. Install Linux on unused space of your hard drive. 2. Setup whichever bootmanager you prefer to use. 3. Never boot into linux again.

Pretty simple huh?
 

DIRTsquirt

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<< NTFS IS NOT HARD TO SPELL! >>


So I have dislexia. SUE ME!
Awesome attitude.
To recap:1 Install it anywhere on your hardrive. (Indicating at some point in the install process it will ask me where I wanna put it
2 setup whichever boot manager you wanna use (Telling me I will need a boot manager. Which i assume will allow me to swithc os's at boot.) Any one wanna point me at where these can be found.
3 Never boot into linux again. (It appears to be to much hassle or danger for me to attempt this feat.. It should be left to
professionals. RUN NOW cause i have no time to help you. not even the time to recommend a place to find the literature to
assist you.
I was at linux.org and found a multiboot how to but it revolved around removeable discs.
 

manly

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DIRTsquirt,

NTFS vs FAT32 is irrelevant.

Linux uses its own native filesystems (which are at least comparable to NTFS, if not clearly better). For Red Hat 7.2, ext3 is the default, and it's a good choice.

You don't really need Partition Magic to format fresh filesystems in the partitions you're creating. You only need it to create the partition "slices" since your drive is already partitioned. As you probably already know, in the past, it was difficult if not impossible to repartition a live drive. Partition Magic doesn't even currently support formatting ext3 as far as I know.

Again, you just need Partition Magic because it makes it easy to create new partitions, while not affecting the 10 GB NTFS partition already on the drive.

Okay, now that partitioning is described, installation can begin (and it's really not that difficult).

According to Linux, these are your hard drives:

/dev/hda Master on primary IDE
/dev/hdc Master on secondary IDE

As an example, your partitions will be labeled on such:

/dev/hdc1
/dev/hdc2
/dev/hdc3

One of the earlier steps is to format hdc1 and hdc2 (the filesystem types are ext3 and swap, respectively). Then all you have to do is specific hdc1 as the root filesystem, and hdc2 as a swap partition. hdc3 is your 10 GB NTFS, and not affected by Red Hat. Note that the naming scheme I showed is the simplest case; depending on your partitioning scheme, it could be different. I suggest you read up on Linux partitioning to understand what's going on.

I'll fast forward to the end, where after Red Hat has installed all the necessary files, you have to decide how to boot Linux. For a newbie, I would recommend you use a boot floppy. At this time, do *not* install a boot loader to the MBR (which is on your 100 GB hard drive) since you really don't want your existing setup to be affected yet. To boot up Red Hat, you just have to use the boot floppy. Once you're more comfortable with Linux, you can integrate Linux + W2K into the MBR boot loader.

Btw, n0cmonkey gives correct advice that you need good backups to ensure W2K is safe.

However, don't misunderstand the alarmist impression this can leave. Linux installation is perfectly safe, and it will only copy files to the partitions you create and specify.

Obviously, if you instruct Red Hat installation to format /dev/hda1 (on you 100 GB drive), then you're in trouble.

If you don't have Partition Magic, Red Hat installation will try to work with you to create the necessary partitions, but I believe it won't be as easy or flexible as PM.

I'm pretty sure Red Hat has a nice HTML install guide on their web site, which you should definitely read through at least once if you're a newbie.

In conclusion, you'll need to learn some new things to install Red Hat, and you definiitely have to learn a not of new things to use Linux. However, installation is a relatively straightforward, safe procedure.
 

manly

Lifer
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n0cmonkey usually encourages people to read the available documentation.

In this case, I don't think he was trying to be sarcastic. I think #3 was a typo. Since in #1 and #2, he tells you to install Linux, #3 is a non-sequitur.

I usually don't care to speculate on what he meant, but I think #3 was supposed to say don't boot into Winblows 2K again. Or maybe that's just my bias. ;)
 

n0cmonkey

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<<

<< NTFS IS NOT HARD TO SPELL! >>


So I have dislexia. SUE ME!
>>



Nah, my little brother has dyslexia, it can be fairly well corrected :)



<< Awesome attitude. >>



Its great isnt is? :D



<< To recap:1 Install it anywhere on your hardrive. (Indicating at some point in the install process it will ask me where I wanna put it >>



Yes, it will give you the choice of where to put it. And notice, I said unused space. Thats the key. Dont delete anything while installing linux because you may nuke the wrong partition.



<< 2 setup whichever boot manager you wanna use (Telling me I will need a boot manager. Which i assume will allow me to swithc os's at boot.) Any one wanna point me at where these can be found. >>



Linux comes with LILO, or you can use the Win2k bootmanager. There is a FAQ with information on using the win2k bootmanager.



<< 3 Never boot into linux again. (It appears to be to much hassle or danger for me to attempt this feat.. It should be left to
professionals. RUN NOW cause i have no time to help you. not even the time to recommend a place to find the literature to
assist you.
>>



Linux is not just for professionals, but from what I experienced and see from dualbooting is that you never boot into linux but stay in Windows because it is easier. I will answer questions on these boards about linux because I want to see it worked. But a search would have given you plenty of information ont he questions you asked. In fact checking the FAQs may have helped. linuxdoc.org (as always) is a great place to get how-tos.



<< I was at linux.org and found a multiboot how to but it revolved around removeable discs. >>



I dont think Ive ever been there.
 

DIRTsquirt

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The unfortunate truth on the matter is I have a need to learn linux. So I will force myself to struggle through learning process.
Thanks for the assistance.. Manly. I downloaded the pdf manual from redhat :) I like your boot disk idea.

decided to go the safest way. BU are fine and I have a pretty good system for that. But the main objective is not to ever need to restore a backup. (TIME) I decided to install a double pole double throw switch on my computer. the 100gig and the 30 gig are both WD meaning 1 jumper. for master and slave.
the 30 will become a linux drive in its entirety. and never the two shall meet. when the 30 is primary master the 100 will be not readable by the motherboard and visaversa. the jumpers are the same size as the reset connectors on old motherboards...'

Thanks every one for the assistance.. I will just put in the throw all caution to wind!

Have fun all.
 

Nosferatu

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well if you are truly afraid of nuking your stuff and you have an empty 5.25 bay, you could try romtec trios. I hear it works ok and that pretty much guarantees you wont screw the pooch. Tiger direct has it for like 40 after rebates. But keep in mind tiger direct is a suck ass company. but if you have credit card protection why not?