DU - The Stuff of Nightmares

[Votingisanillusion]

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/...-Nightmares14sep04.htm

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

he was found to have 5,000 times the permissible level of radiation in his body - enough to light up a small village.

:roll:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/...-Nightmares14sep04.htm

Warning: Very gross pictures of deformed children.

More Fear War Mongoring here.

Trying to say Iraq producing Nuclear Warheads not OIL.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/...-Nightmares14sep04.htm

Warning: Very gross pictures of deformed children.

More Fear War Mongoring here.

Trying to say Iraq producing Nuclear Warheads not OIL.

Huh? I haven't even looked at the article yet but it should be talking about OUR use of DEPLETED URANIUM SHELLS and the resulting radiation dust..

 

[yllus]

Many in Rokke's Gulf team are now dead. He himself suffers from serious health problems including brain lesions and lung and kidney damage. When government doctors finally agreed to test him in November 1994, three-and-a-half years after he fell ill, while he was director of the Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project, he was found to have 5,000 times the permissible level of radiation in his body - enough to light up a small village.

*scratches his head* Shouldn't he be, uh, slightly deceased? I mean, my father works for AECL here in Canada and we know what even the tiny amounts of radiation that seeps in when wearing a containment suit can do to you. This Rokke dude should either be dead or wielding some pretty badass super powers.

 

[bamacre]

It's a good thing the military didn't use DU when Clinton was in office. :roll:

It's about time we found better technology and stopped leaving this mess everywhere we attack. It's not a Republican/Democrat thing, and it should be at least one of them.

 

[Votingisanillusion]

Originally posted by: bamacre
It's a good thing the military didn't use DU when Clinton was in office. :roll:

It's about time we found better technology and stopped leaving this mess everywhere we attack. It's not a Republican/Democrat thing, and it should be at least one of them.

I say it is about time US citizens revolted against their nazi masters.

 

[Forsythe]

Just think of all the depleted uranium being fired daily. Lots of people with extra toes!

But hell, it's efficient! War, it's fantastic!

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/...-Nightmares14sep04.htm

Warning: Very gross pictures of deformed children.

More Fear War Mongoring here.

Trying to say Iraq producing Nuclear Warheads not OIL.

Huh? I haven't even looked at the article yet but it should be talking about OUR use of DEPLETED URANIUM SHELLS and the resulting radiation dust..

DU is barely radioactive. I someone doubt it would make radiation levels 17x higher than normal.

 

[Pliablemoose]

The voluntary Veterans Affairs DU Medical Follow-up Program began in 1993-1994 with the medical evaluations of 33 friendly-fire DU-exposed veterans, many with embedded DU fragments. An additional 29 of the friendly-fire victims were added to the follow-up program in 1999. In 1998, the scope of the program was expanded to include Gulf War veterans who may have been exposed to DU through close contact with DU munitions, inhalation of smoke containing DU particulate during a fire at the Doha depot, or by entering or salvaging vehicles or bunkers that were hit with DU projectiles. The published results of these medical evaluations indicate that the presence of retained DU fragments is the only scenario predictive of a high urine uranium level, and those with embedded DU fragments continue to have elevated urine uranium levels ten years after the incident. It is unlikely that an individual without embedded DU fragments would have an elevated urine uranium level, and consequently any uranium-related health effects. Those individuals with normal urine uranium levels now are unlikely to develop any uranium-related toxicity in the future, regardless of what their DU exposure may have been in the Gulf War. Those individuals with elevated levels of urine uranium ten years after the Gulf War have not developed kidney abnormalities, leukemia, bone or lung cancer, or any other uranium-related adverse outcome. The DU Medical Follow-up Program will continue to monitor those individuals with elevated urine uranium levels to enable early detection of any adverse health effects due to their continued exposure to embedded DU fragments.

The echo chamber effect of AT P&N - The Stuff of Nightmares

he he, looks good in my sig too...

 

[kage69]

While there is no doubt in my mind the presence of depleted uranium weaponry is hardly healthy, I've always been rather skeptical of blaming all the medical woes of Iraqis and US soldier alike on it. Anyone remember all the millions of gallons or crude Saddam torched in the first war? Makes me cringe to think of how much hydrocarbon goo was inhaled by the unfortunates on the ground.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/...-Nightmares14sep04.htm

Warning: Very gross pictures of deformed children.

More Fear War Mongoring here.

Trying to say Iraq producing Nuclear Warheads not OIL.

Huh? I haven't even looked at the article yet but it should be talking about OUR use of DEPLETED URANIUM SHELLS and the resulting radiation dust..

DU is barely radioactive. I someone doubt it would make radiation levels 17x higher than normal.

Are you basing that on anything?? I'm quite sure you're absolutely wrong! They're pumpnig loads of that stuff in tanks and stuff. Even if it's barely radioactive (which i doubt it is), it's still very harmfull.

 

[ReiAyanami]

you see what they need to do is counter the radiation with lead. fill the air with lead bullets, making lead dust, and of course leaded gasoline.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Depleted Uranium is a misnomer.

DU is simply U-238. U-238 is unusable, for nukes and reactors, and comprises 99.5% of all uranium. However, it is one of the most dense materials known to man and therefore can shoot through armor and people with ease. Upon impact, like any other projectile, much of the projectile is either fragmented into particles or passes through the object to be imbedded somewhere else. Both of them contribute to radioactive levels (although the particle version is far more insidious, because it can be inhaled.)

There is no such thing as safe Uranium nor non-radioactive Uranium (barring a few exotic situations that are not possible in combat).

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/...-Nightmares14sep04.htm

Warning: Very gross pictures of deformed children.

More Fear War Mongoring here.

Trying to say Iraq producing Nuclear Warheads not OIL.

Huh? I haven't even looked at the article yet but it should be talking about OUR use of DEPLETED URANIUM SHELLS and the resulting radiation dust..

DU is barely radioactive. I someone doubt it would make radiation levels 17x higher than normal.

Are you basing that on anything?? I'm quite sure you're absolutely wrong! They're pumpnig loads of that stuff in tanks and stuff. Even if it's barely radioactive (which i doubt it is), it's still very harmfull.

linkage

A common misconception is that radiation is depleted uranium's primary hazard. This is not the case under most battlefield exposure scenarios. Depleted uranium is approximately 40 percent less radioactive than natural uranium. Depleted uranium emits alpha and beta particles, and gamma rays. Alpha particles, the primary radiation type produced by depleted uranium, are blocked by skin, while beta particles are blocked by the boots and battle dress utility uniform (BDUs) typically worn by service members. While gamma rays are a form of highly-penetrating energy , the amount of gamma radiation emitted by depleted uranium is very low. Thus, depleted uranium does not significantly add to the background radiation that we encounter every day

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Depleted Uranium is a misnomer.

DU is simply U-238. U-238 is unusable, for nukes and reactors, and comprises 99.5% of all uranium. However, it is one of the most dense materials known to man and therefore can shoot through armor and people with ease. Upon impact, like any other projectile, much of the projectile is either fragmented into particles or passes through the object to be imbedded somewhere else. Both of them contribute to radioactive levels (although the particle version is far more insidious, because it can be inhaled.)

There is no such thing as safe Uranium nor non-radioactive Uranium (barring a few exotic situations that are not possible in combat).

DU is U-235
linkage

depleted uranium: A by-product of uranium enrichment, the most common chemical form of which is depleted uranium hexafluoride (DUF6). Natural uranium is composed of three isotopes: uranium-238 (99.284 percent); uranium-235 (0.711 percent); and uranium-234 (0.005 percent), all of which are radioactive. The purpose of uranium enrichment is to concentrate uranium-235, the fissile isotope, in one stream. The other stream which is low in uranium-235, is called "depleted uranium," which contains about 0.2 to 0.3 percent uranium-235.

 

[Farmer]

I'm not sure why Tungsten KE rounds could not be employed on OP:IF. Plus, what the hell did the abrams need APFSDS in Iraq anyway? It's not like the Iraqi army were actually fielding any of their T-72s, or at least not enough that they could not be taken out by Apaches.

I guess that was Gulf War 2 though. Much more in Gulf War 1.

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Depleted Uranium is a misnomer.

DU is simply U-238. U-238 is unusable, for nukes and reactors, and comprises 99.5% of all uranium. However, it is one of the most dense materials known to man and therefore can shoot through armor and people with ease. Upon impact, like any other projectile, much of the projectile is either fragmented into particles or passes through the object to be imbedded somewhere else. Both of them contribute to radioactive levels (although the particle version is far more insidious, because it can be inhaled.)

There is no such thing as safe Uranium nor non-radioactive Uranium (barring a few exotic situations that are not possible in combat).

DU is U-235
linkage

depleted uranium: A by-product of uranium enrichment, the most common chemical form of which is depleted uranium hexafluoride (DUF6). Natural uranium is composed of three isotopes: uranium-238 (99.284 percent); uranium-235 (0.711 percent); and uranium-234 (0.005 percent), all of which are radioactive. The purpose of uranium enrichment is to concentrate uranium-235, the fissile isotope, in one stream. The other stream which is low in uranium-235, is called "depleted uranium," which contains about 0.2 to 0.3 percent uranium-235.

Yes, 0.2..0.3% U-235, and very little U-234 (iirc) the remainder being U238!

Natural uranium is usually <1% U-235 (iirc) which you need for a decent reaction.. hence enriching U-235/238 ratio leaves you with a higher percentage of U-238, which is depleted of U-235 vs. normal natural U.


edit: damn that sound like engrish.
OK.

you take normal uranium. 99.x% 238, <1% 235.
you increase the level of 235 so that it is better for reaction. say it is now 5% 235, remainder 238.

Now. all the uranium that the 235 was taken from - is "depleted" of U235 (somewhat) and is more U-238 than natural uranium.
Ie. 99.7%+ U.238 vs natural U (99.2%) U.238

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Farmer
I'm not sure why Tungsten KE rounds could not be employed on OP:IF. Plus, what the hell did the abrams need APFSDS in Iraq anyway? It's not like the Iraqi army were actually fielding any of their T-72s, or at least not enough that they could not be taken out by Apaches.

I guess that was Gulf War 2 though. Much more in Gulf War 1.

DU works better than tungston. And yes y-72s did get deployed.

 

[Farmer]

anarchist!

charrison:

DU works better than tungsten, sure, but why the hell do you need it to defeat T-72s? If you were going up against Challengers or T-92s, maybe yes, but I highly doubt that an M1A1 could not blow a clean whole through the front glacis plate of a T-72 within a mile with a tungsten penetrator, not to mention the superior intelligence and support.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Farmer
anarchist!

charrison:

DU works better than tungsten, sure, but why the hell do you need it to defeat T-72s? If you were going up against Challengers or T-92s, maybe yes, but I highly doubt that an M1A1 could not blow a clean whole through the front glacis plate of a T-72 within a mile with a tungsten penetrator, not to mention the superior intelligence and support.

Likely because we have far more rounds of DU than Tungston..

 

[zzzz]

DU is U-235

Ummm no
read the link and text you quoted again.
Depleted U is Uranium that is depleted off U-235. That means its mainly U-238.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: zzzz

DU is U-235

Ummm no
read the link and text you quoted again.
Depleted U is Uranium that is depleted off U-235. That means its mainly U-238.

You right. But it is still is only marginaly radioactive.

 

[Farmer]

charrison:

That's the complaint.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Farmer
charrison:

That's the complaint.

THe complaint about it being marginally more radioactive than the background radiation we already receive?

The OP has the radiation levels at 17x than what is acceptable. There seems to be a disconnect here.