DSNY is working with the city to change rule and push back time allowed to put trash out.

[Amol S.]

DSNY wants to change the time that trash is allowed to be placed on the streets, to 4 hours later. This move is to fight against the rodent crisis the city is currently facing. Currently trash is allowed to be put out starting at 4PM, which is in fact the earliest of any city in the US allows trash to be put outside. According to the DSNY, after trash is placed on the street it currently takes 15 hours on average before the trash is picked up. The new rule would reduce this time and the chance of rodents coming for food.

There are exceptions where local businesses are allowed to put out trash earlier (one hour before business closing), as long as the trash is placed in container bin and not on the sidewalks.

There are many who are against this proposal however, and some businesses that do not have access to a trash container bin, claim that if they close early, they will have to ask someone to go back just to put out the trash at 8.

https://bronx.news12.com/dsny-to-limit-how-long-trash-bags-can-sit-on-city-sidewalks

City 'strongly' considering pushing trash bag set-out time to 8 p.m.

DSNY is looking to combat rodent and other issues.

www.ny1.com

 

[IronWing]

Hmm, I've never lived in a place that limited the time for trash to be placed. As long as it is contained, no issues.

 

[kt]

Slow news day?

 

[MrSquished]

Hmm, I've never lived in a place that limited the time for trash to be placed. As long as it is contained, no issues.

It's a common rule around here in the somewhat urban to urban areas I know and/or have lived in.

You can't leave a bag of stinky trash out all day on pickup day on the sidewalk where people are walking by all day long.

This makes a lot of sense for a city of 9 million people.

Or in other cases, cities of a few hundred thousand people that aren't just glorified suburbs

 

[Brainonska511]

NYC is seemingly run by a bunch of rotten nincompoops. The solution to the trash problem is in plain sight and other cities have solved the problem: take away street parking, put sealed dumpsters on the street, automate the collection apparatuses, and collect more frequently with the improved collection efficiency. A big bonus, beyond general quality of life for everyone, would also be eliminating the need for building supers to handle taking the trash out of trash rooms.

However, the free parking constituency is too strong, and NYC will continue to reign as #trashcity.

 

[fskimospy]

NYC is seemingly run by a bunch of rotten nincompoops. The solution to the trash problem is in plain sight and other cities have solved the problem: take away street parking, put sealed dumpsters on the street, automate the collection apparatuses, and collect more frequently with the improved collection efficiency. A big bonus, beyond general quality of life for everyone, would also be eliminating the need for building supers to handle taking the trash out of trash rooms.

However, the free parking constituency is too strong, and NYC will continue to reign as #trashcity.

I cannot like this post enough. The answer to NYC’s trash problem is not complicated. It requires the invention of the revolutionary technology of dumpsters.

To understand when a policy is stupid imagine the inverse. If you have dumpsters all over a city who would ever entertain the idea that we should eliminate them and instead throw trash on the sidewalk in order to free up parking?

 

[MrSquished]

I cannot like this post enough. The answer to NYC’s trash problem is not complicated. It requires the invention of the revolutionary technology of dumpsters.

To understand when a policy is stupid imagine the inverse. If you have dumpsters all over a city who would ever entertain the idea that we should eliminate them and instead throw trash on the sidewalk in order to free up parking?

Car culture is too strong, even in the city with the only real mass transit system in the country. Which still has plenty of subway transit deserts.

 

[fskimospy]

Car culture is too strong, even in the city with the only real mass transit system in the country. Which still has plenty of subway transit deserts.

You are right and it drives me crazy. It’s the same NIMBYs though. The people who hate new development want to park their cars.

 

[dainthomas]

I cannot like this post enough. The answer to NYC’s trash problem is not complicated. It requires the invention of the revolutionary technology of dumpsters.

To understand when a policy is stupid imagine the inverse. If you have dumpsters all over a city who would ever entertain the idea that we should eliminate them and instead throw trash on the sidewalk in order to free up parking?

Wait, people in NYC just throw the garbage bags right on the sidewalk?

 

[Brainonska511]

Wait, people in NYC just throw the garbage bags right on the sidewalk?

Yeah, it's gross. They don't even use trash cans. Just pile gross bags 3 days a week.

 

[K1052]

Wait, people in NYC just throw the garbage bags right on the sidewalk?

Yes like a bunch of savages. Far poorer cities the world over don't do it this way.

 

[Brainonska511]

I cannot like this post enough. The answer to NYC’s trash problem is not complicated. It requires the invention of the revolutionary technology of dumpsters.

To understand when a policy is stupid imagine the inverse. If you have dumpsters all over a city who would ever entertain the idea that we should eliminate them and instead throw trash on the sidewalk in order to free up parking?

I was in NYC earlier this week for work, walking up 8th from Penn to my hotel in southwest Times Square - just piles of gross trash sitting and leaking onto the sidewalk. Definitely something I don't miss after moving out of NYC ~5 years ago.

 

[uclaLabrat]

After the 2 blizzards in 2010/2011 like two weeks apart that dumped 3.5 ft of snow in the city and everything just shut the fuck down, there wasnt any trash pickup for like 3 entire fucking weeks.

The curb side of the sidewalk was a 7ft wall of trashbags 3 ft deep. Walking our dogs at night, the wall would shiver as you passed from all the rats scurrying around as you got close. It was like a wave in the trash.

Thank god the temp was in the 20s-30s the entire time so the smell wasnt that bad.

Fuck that was terrible.

 

[Amol S.]

NYC is seemingly run by a bunch of rotten nincompoops. The solution to the trash problem is in plain sight and other cities have solved the problem: take away street parking, put sealed dumpsters on the street, automate the collection apparatuses, and collect more frequently with the improved collection efficiency. A big bonus, beyond general quality of life for everyone, would also be eliminating the need for building supers to handle taking the trash out of trash rooms.

However, the free parking constituency is too strong, and NYC will continue to reign as #trashcity.

Parking is actually is a problematic outside of Manhattan and some parts of Brooklyn. Living in Queens, finding parking is actually a nightmare to the extent that the number of parking spots in Queens < the number of cars owned by the residents in Queens. My dad used to park the car in the street, and it would take like 20 -30 mins to find a spot, in 2014 he finally gave up looking for parking spots and went for the private parking provided by our building ( $150 monthly).

In Manhattan and some parts of Brooklyn, even the paid meter spots are being removed and replaced by taxi stands. So it would cause a uproar by Taxi drivers if stands were to be replaced by garbage dumpsters. Here is something interesting.... three days ago I was walking by a Penn Station taxi stand the one near by the Penn Hotel being torn down. Right were the taxis wait there is a mountain of trash bags (not sure if it was the same one @Brainonska511 saw around Penn Station).

On a side note..... the people who represent the of the TLC drivers in the start were Republicans... no joke.
Founder of the New York State Federation of Taxi Drivers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Mateo

 

[MrSquished]

You are right and it drives me crazy. It’s the same NIMBYs though. The people who hate new development want to park their cars.

Yep.. they hate making bike lanes in heavily ridden areas as well if they lose any free parking spots.

The goal is to encourage other means of transport and keep the city cleaner. It's a super win win but NIMBY'S gonna NIMBY. Super annoying.

 

[Brainonska511]

Parking is actually is a problematic outside of Manhattan and some parts of Brooklyn. Living in Queens, finding parking is actually a nightmare to the extent that the number of parking spots in Queens < the number of cars owned by the residents in Queens. My dad used to park the car in the street, and it would take like 20 -30 mins to find a spot, in 2014 he finally gave up looking for parking spots and went for the private parking provided by our building ( $150 monthly).

You mean "free" parking is a nightmare. Cities should be charging much more for street parking instead of giving that valuable land away for free.

In Manhattan and some parts of Brooklyn, even the paid meter spots are being removed and replaced by taxi stands. So it would cause a uproar by Taxi drivers if stands were to be replaced by garbage dumpsters. Here is something interesting.... three days ago I was walking by a Penn Station taxi stand the one near by the Penn Hotel being torn down. Right were the taxis wait there is a mountain of trash bags (not sure if it was the same one @Brainonska511 saw around Penn Station).

I doubt "taxi stands" are sprouting. However, I could see loading zones being put in, and when enforced, are also a good thing, so that people don't stop illegally in bike lanes or double park to unload. And regardless of loading zones, there is still too much extremely cheap/free parking in NYC, and even "busy" areas of Manhattan have plenty of street space that could be ceded to some dumpsters to handle the trash issue.

 

[Fenixgoon]

You mean "free" parking is a nightmare. Cities should be charging much more for street parking instead of giving that valuable land away for free.


I doubt "taxi stands" are sprouting. However, I could see loading zones being put in, and when enforced, are also a good thing, so that people don't stop illegally in bike lanes or double park to unload. And regardless of loading zones, there is still too much extremely cheap/free parking in NYC, and even "busy" areas of Manhattan have plenty of street space that could be ceded to some dumpsters to handle the trash issue.

And the not-free parking encourages use of public transit. What an idea!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Why not just pick up the trash in the evening so the bags go out during the day, and don't sit for 15 hours overnight?

 

[fskimospy]

You mean "free" parking is a nightmare. Cities should be charging much more for street parking instead of giving that valuable land away for free.


I doubt "taxi stands" are sprouting. However, I could see loading zones being put in, and when enforced, are also a good thing, so that people don't stop illegally in bike lanes or double park to unload. And regardless of loading zones, there is still too much extremely cheap/free parking in NYC, and even "busy" areas of Manhattan have plenty of street space that could be ceded to some dumpsters to handle the trash issue.

Oh yeah definitely. I personally would remove all free street parking and just have loading zones at each end of every block or something.

Land in New York is some of the most expensive in the world and this is one of the few cities in the country where in most of it car ownership is completely optional. There is no good use case for using incredibly valuable public land for the free storage of private vehicles.

 

[fskimospy]

Why not just pick up the trash in the evening so the bags go out during the day, and don't sit for 15 hours overnight?

Because people are at work and so for the most part that would mean them putting their trash out in the morning where it would sit for 12 hours in the hot Sun.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Because people are at work and so for the most part that would mean them putting their trash out in the morning where it would sit for 12 hours in the hot Sun.

I imagine more people are sleeping at night than working in the evening, so you're gonna get more trash closer to the time when pickup is if you picked up at evening/night.

 

[fskimospy]

I imagine more people are sleeping at night than working in the evening, so you're gonna get more trash closer to the time when pickup is if you picked up at evening/night.

What time are you envisioning this trash pickup happening? Like 10PM or later? People are not going to want trash trucks rumbling up and down the block at midnight.

Your plan is just going to lead to lots of trash roasting in the sun all day. This is a bad idea.

 

[fskimospy]

Putting the trash out the night before is not the problem, the problem is putting it on the sidewalk. This problem is easily fixed so long as you ignore the car lobby, which should already be done.

 

[Greenman]

I cannot like this post enough. The answer to NYC’s trash problem is not complicated. It requires the invention of the revolutionary technology of dumpsters.

To understand when a policy is stupid imagine the inverse. If you have dumpsters all over a city who would ever entertain the idea that we should eliminate them and instead throw trash on the sidewalk in order to free up parking?

The third choice would have been to properly plan the infrastructure and population density to avoid both problems.

 

[fskimospy]

The third choice would have been to properly plan the infrastructure and population density to avoid both problems.

Considering a large proportion of the city was built before the invention of cars or mechanized sanitation that would require a time machine. Oh and of course population density isn’t the problem, plenty of dense cities don’t have these issues, after all. I’m sure you knew that though.

If the city wanted to it could start rolling out containerized trash collection tomorrow. It’s a policy choice.