Dry Firing a Firearm

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: SilentRavens

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DJFuji
Does this only apply to side arms? We dry fire M16s all the time.

It messes them up too, that's why they replace them so frequently.

I thought that was because they're just pieces of sh!t?

the hammer is designed so the majority of the force is placed on the pin at impact, if you dry fire it, the stress is placed on the surrounding edges of the hammer (which doesn't normally happen) and over time causes enough stress to cause mis-fires among other problems (cracked, mis-aligned hammer, etc.)

I was being facetious...haven't there been a lot of complaints about them in general?

Not since Vietnam, the A3 and A4 revisions along with the M4 are very reliable and loved. Aside from they tend to not kill the people they shoot. That's the only real problem.

the .223 in the m-16 doesn't need to necessarily kill. Lighter weight, more rounds, and wounding slows down enemies more than killing does.

Well, I always thought out and out killing someone was the fastest way to slow that person down.

Kill a man, you take one man out of the way. Wound a man, and you tie up additional personnel and resources dealing with him.

Until he re-enters combat and kills you!

 

[illusion88]

I'm not much of a gun guy, so perhaps someone can answer this question.

why would you want to dry fire a gun?

 

[bernse]

Originally posted by: illusion88
I'm not much of a gun guy, so perhaps someone can answer this question.

why would you want to dry fire a gun?

Because it's generally safer to do that then let loose with a live round if you're not at the range or planning to kill/wound anything?

Same thought process as to why people like to shift gears in their car when it's not even running?

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: bernse

Originally posted by: illusion88
I'm not much of a gun guy, so perhaps someone can answer this question.

why would you want to dry fire a gun?

Because it's generally safer to do that then let loose with a live round if you're not at the range or planning to kill/wound anything?

Same thought process as to why people like to shift gears in their car when it's not even running?

Hmmm... see I got a buddy who, when he gets to a read light, will sit there with the clutch and break depressed and shift between first and second until the light goes. I think that thats retarded.

So can I make the claim that everyone who dry fires a gun is retarded?

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: illusion88
I'm not much of a gun guy, so perhaps someone can answer this question.

why would you want to dry fire a gun?

Its actually a training technique with more advanced end users... others do it to test the trigger and determine how many pounds of pressure are required for the trigger to 'break' or the 'crispness' of the trigger.

 

[bernse]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: bernse

Originally posted by: illusion88
I'm not much of a gun guy, so perhaps someone can answer this question.

why would you want to dry fire a gun?

Because it's generally safer to do that then let loose with a live round if you're not at the range or planning to kill/wound anything?

Same thought process as to why people like to shift gears in their car when it's not even running?

Hmmm... see I got a buddy who, when he gets to a read light, will sit there with the clutch and break depressed and shift between first and second until the light goes. I think that thats retarded.

So can I make the claim that everyone who dry fires a gun is retarded?

Well, you could claim that, but you'd have everybody whos ever been in any military, police dept, and firearm owner kick your a$$, because everyone who owns a firearm has dry fired it. Virtually guaranteed.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: bernse

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: bernse

Originally posted by: illusion88
I'm not much of a gun guy, so perhaps someone can answer this question.

why would you want to dry fire a gun?

Because it's generally safer to do that then let loose with a live round if you're not at the range or planning to kill/wound anything?

Same thought process as to why people like to shift gears in their car when it's not even running?

Hmmm... see I got a buddy who, when he gets to a read light, will sit there with the clutch and break depressed and shift between first and second until the light goes. I think that thats retarded.

So can I make the claim that everyone who dry fires a gun is retarded?

Well, you could claim that, but you'd have everybody whos ever been in any military, police dept, and firearm owner kick your a$$, because everyone who owns a firearm has dry fired it. Virtually guaranteed.

I've never dry fired a firearm in my life.(and I currently have 2 rifles and a .20ga)

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: bernse

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: bernse

Originally posted by: illusion88
I'm not much of a gun guy, so perhaps someone can answer this question.

why would you want to dry fire a gun?

Because it's generally safer to do that then let loose with a live round if you're not at the range or planning to kill/wound anything?

Same thought process as to why people like to shift gears in their car when it's not even running?

Hmmm... see I got a buddy who, when he gets to a read light, will sit there with the clutch and break depressed and shift between first and second until the light goes. I think that thats retarded.

So can I make the claim that everyone who dry fires a gun is retarded?

Well, you could claim that, but you'd have everybody whos ever been in any military, police dept, and firearm owner kick your a$$, because everyone who owns a firearm has dry fired it. Virtually guaranteed.

I have only dry fired my Glock and only because the owners manual claims it will not damage the pistol. I haven't dry fired any other firearm I own however... it's just not something I think about doing.

 

[bmacd]

Originally posted by: DJFuji
Does this only apply to side arms? We dry fire M16s all the time.

word

-=bmacd=-

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: SilentRavens

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DJFuji
Does this only apply to side arms? We dry fire M16s all the time.

It messes them up too, that's why they replace them so frequently.

I thought that was because they're just pieces of sh!t?

the hammer is designed so the majority of the force is placed on the pin at impact, if you dry fire it, the stress is placed on the surrounding edges of the hammer (which doesn't normally happen) and over time causes enough stress to cause mis-fires among other problems (cracked, mis-aligned hammer, etc.)

I was being facetious...haven't there been a lot of complaints about them in general?

Not since Vietnam, the A3 and A4 revisions along with the M4 are very reliable and loved. Aside from they tend to not kill the people they shoot. That's the only real problem.

the .223 in the m-16 doesn't need to necessarily kill. Lighter weight, more rounds, and wounding slows down enemies more than killing does.

Well, I always thought out and out killing someone was the fastest way to slow that person down.

Kill a man, you take one man out of the way. Wound a man, and you tie up additional personnel and resources dealing with him.

In this war, anyone who is wounded will be dealt with by us, using our resources and our personnel. It's not like the terrorists have their own little MASH going on.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: SilentRavens

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DJFuji
Does this only apply to side arms? We dry fire M16s all the time.

It messes them up too, that's why they replace them so frequently.

I thought that was because they're just pieces of sh!t?

the hammer is designed so the majority of the force is placed on the pin at impact, if you dry fire it, the stress is placed on the surrounding edges of the hammer (which doesn't normally happen) and over time causes enough stress to cause mis-fires among other problems (cracked, mis-aligned hammer, etc.)

I was being facetious...haven't there been a lot of complaints about them in general?

Not since Vietnam, the A3 and A4 revisions along with the M4 are very reliable and loved. Aside from they tend to not kill the people they shoot. That's the only real problem.

the .223 in the m-16 doesn't need to necessarily kill. Lighter weight, more rounds, and wounding slows down enemies more than killing does.

Well, I always thought out and out killing someone was the fastest way to slow that person down.

Kill a man, you take one man out of the way. Wound a man, and you tie up additional personnel and resources dealing with him.

In this war, anyone who is wounded will be dealt with by us, using our resources and our personnel. It's not like the terrorists have their own little MASH going on.

When you are engaging someone whom at the same time is trying to kill you, you want to stop the threat immediately, not worry about how many people you encumbering later. Shot placement is the key, but the current M855 round combined with the shorter barrel of the M-4 is reportedly not performing as it was originally inteneded. The velocity loss of the 14.5 barrel of the m-4 does not allow the M855 round to attain the velocity it needs to fragment. This is being argued on both sides by people more knowledgeable than me...

The military has developed a round called the Mk 262 which addresses some of the issues, but alot of people are looking at goint to a larger caliber, such as the 6.8 SPC, at least in a limited role.