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Drugging kids

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ichy

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Admittedly this sort of thing is hardly new (a hundred years ago you could get over the counter meds with opiates in them, and people used to recommend a bit of vodka to help a crying baby sleep) but I'm still appalled that parents would drug their kids in order to control them.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/07/22/drugged.children.parenting/index.html?hpt=Sbin

This bit really bugged me:

""It's certainly better than being pushed to edge, spanking a child or slamming doors or really losing it," she said."

Seriously? I'm not a huge fan of the idea of corporal punishment, but a few smacks on the butt are a heck of a lot better than doping kids up. What's our society coming to...
 
What makes smacking kids around so much better than drugging them? What about kids you'd need to really beat to an inch of their life to behave? Most kids once they think they can get away with it end up being deviants anyway regardless of beatings; maybe even worse with beatings. My father was beat pretty badly when he was a kid, but some of the shit he did in his late teens early 20s certainly didn't reflect what most people think beatings instill in their kids. I don't think drugging them is a great idea either though.
 
AyashiKaibutsu said:
What makes smacking kids around so much better than drugging them? What about kids you'd need to really beat to an inch of their life to behave? Most kids once they think they can get away with it end up being deviants anyway regardless of beatings; maybe even worse with beatings. My father was beat pretty badly when he was a kid, but some of the shit he did in his late teens early 20s certainly didn't reflect what most people think beatings instill in their kids. I don't think drugging them is a great idea either though.
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There's a huge difference between beating a child and smacking him/her once on the butt on occasion.
 
ppatin said:
This bit really bugged me:

""It's certainly better than being pushed to edge, spanking a child or slamming doors or really losing it," she said."

Seriously? I'm not a huge fan of the idea of corporal punishment, but a few smacks on the butt are a heck of a lot better than doping kids up. What's our society coming to...
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Yeah that's messed up. It's certainly not better than properly disciplining a child with a good spanking.
 
wow! it's got spanking, drugs, ADHD, and bad parenting. All we need now are immunizations are causing it all and we've got the superfecta.

Where's my damn popcorn!
 
moshquerade said:
My comment still stands.
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That it does : p

That she implies being pushed to the edge makes me think she's doing more than a single slap to the butt, which was bugging the op so much. Wasn't really trying to argue just find it funny how some people hold some things that are granted probably not great to such an overexagerated stigma.
 
What the 'time out' crowd and the corporal punishment crowd never seem to acknowledge is that neither is effective without consistency and constant supervision. You know the kind that existed when one parent was home all day? Yeah, we're not going to return to that lifestyle anytime soon so the two camps polarize and mostly hope their kids don't turn out to be druggies, killers or, both. Our society has changed and, in many ways, not for the better. As a country, we're still coming to grips with this fundamental change in our society and few have made any effort to address the consequences.
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
What the 'time out' crowd and the corporal punishment crowd never seem to acknowledge is that neither is effective without consistency and constant supervision. You know the kind that existed when one parent was home all day? Yeah, we're not going to return to that lifestyle anytime soon so the two camps polarize and mostly hope their kids don't turn out to be druggies, killers or, both. Our society has changed and, in many ways, not for the better. As a country, we're still coming to grips with this fundamental change in our society and few have made any effort to address the consequences.
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Also depends on the kid. Many, dare I say the majority of the kids, rarely if ever need physical punishment. Mine have done fine with literally a handful of spankings and there would have been alternatives. Other kids need basically a curb stomp. We've all seen those ones, but I would say in most cases it's due to parent ineptitude from day 1 that has let a snowflake of bad behavior turn into a huge snowball careening down a mountain.

Medication, as with any medical approach, is to correct a fault. When you medicate your child you are saying they are at fault and some are, but probably not as many as who are actually medicated.

I think most kids who are on drugs simply need better parents. But since that won't happen, come here Jonny for your pills, they make you less of a little sh*t so please take them.
 
Zenmervolt said:
Actually, parents spend more than twice as much time in child-rearing activities today than they did in 1975. The reality is that parents are more involved in their children's lives now than at any point many decades.

ZV
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I wonder how they define parenting time. If you have an increase of women in the workforce, which we've seen, that is inversely correlated to the time they are spent at time. Does this study assume that a mother at home attending to chores is not spending time with her kids? I kind of assume it must, and it's true she's not "spending time" with them but she is a person who cares about them in the immediate vicinity vs a $8/hour college drop out daycare worker who couldn't give two rats' sh*ts about the kids she's looking after.
 
The original article states most parents consider the medications because they're at their wits end so to speak.

I have to question what is wrong with temporarily removing yourself from the situation (i.e. go to your room for 10 minutes if they're older or letting the baby cry for 10 minutes instead of getting up immediately)? Worked and still works wonders with my kids, and it doesn't involve drugs at all.
 
Skoorb said:
I wonder how they define parenting time. If you have an increase of women in the workforce, which we've seen, that is inversely correlated to the time they are spent at time. Does this study assume that a mother at home attending to chores is not spending time with her kids? I kind of assume it must, and it's true she's not "spending time" with them but she is a person who cares about them in the immediate vicinity vs a $8/hour college drop out daycare worker who couldn't give two rats' sh*ts about the kids she's looking after.
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To be fair, they do not count time "in the presence" of the children as "parenting activities" in either time period. Still, given the amount of time that kids used to be essentially permitted to "run free" in their neighborhood it seems reasonable to assume that actual time spent in the presence of parents has not changed hugely for children old enough to play outside with minimal/no immediate supervision (7-ish and older).

ZV
 
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