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There comes a point in almost every American's life where they face a decision. They are confronted with dissatisfaction with a job, they aspire to do well for themselves and their families, they believe they can do something better than most anyone else.

They face a choice - continue as an employee or strike out on their own as an entrepreneur.

Now, much as in other times of economic malaise, jobs are out of reach for millions of people. Industries are changing, ageism is a factor for both the young and the old, competition for wage paying jobs is high.

In prior times such as this there was always one option to change the course of dependency on charity - go out on your own and do something, anything to make it. Once it was something as simple as selling apples from a push cart, it was homesteading, it was writing computer code.

The small businesses of America and entrepreneurship were always the way out of economic distress.

But, maybe, these are no longer a viable option. The sheer crush of law and regulation, the product of the busybee lawyers that constitute our government, has reached a critical mass, a mass that now stops initiative cold. It stops entrepreneurship and it stops the structural changes that distinguished America from its competitors.

I look forward to the changes coming in the government next year. What I am going to do is contact every newly elected official and argue for a wholesale reform and a pushback against the tidal wave of stultifying law and regulation that has crippled this country for too long.

The Republicans have promised to review each piece of new legislation for Constitutionality. That is a start, but they need to review all the laws and regulations on the books, all those sacred cows of governmental prerogative, for usefulness and efficiency and act immediately to remove those that are millstones around American necks.

Only then will we see America fight its way out of economic malaise.

Drowning in Law: A flood of statutes, rules and regulations is killing the American spirit

BY Philip K. Howard
Sunday, October 10th 2010, 4:00 AM

Howard, a lawyer, is chair of Common Good (www.commongood.org) and author, most recently, of "Life Without Lawyers: Restoring Responsibility in America."

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Government is broken and the economy is gasping. The reason is the same: Americans no longer feel free to roll up their sleeves and make the choices needed to fix things.

Governors come to office and find that 90% of the budget is pre-committed to entitlements and mandates enacted by politicians long dead. Teachers no longer have authority to maintain order in the classroom.

Legal mandates and entitlements have accumulated, like sediment in the harbor, until it is almost impossible for Americans to get anywhere without trudging through a treacherous legal swamp. Only big businesses, not small entrepreneurs, have the size (and legal staffs) to power through the legal sludge.

America will thrive only so long as Americans wake up in the morning believing they can succeed by their own efforts. Innovation, not cheap labor, is the economic engine of America. The net increase in jobs since 1980, according to research at the Kauffman Foundation, is attributed solely to newly-started businesses.

Unleashing these powerful human forces requires, however, an open field for individual opportunity - bounded by reliable legal structures that enforce contracts and other important social norms.

Instead, the land of opportunity is more like legal quicksand. Small business owners face legal challenges at every step. Municipalities requires multiple and often nonsensical forms to do business. Labor laws expose them to legal threats by any disgruntled employee. Mandates to provide costly employment benefits impose high hurdles to hiring new employees. Well-meaning but impossibly complex laws impose requirements to prevent consumer fraud, provide disability access, prevent hiring illegal immigrants, display warnings and notices and prevent scores of other potential evils. The tax code is incomprehensible.

All of this requires legal and other overhead - costing 50% more per employee for small businesses than big businesses.

The sheer volume of law suffocates innovative instincts, while distrust of lawsuits discourages ordinary human choices. Why take a chance on the eager young person applying for a job when, if it doesn't work out, you might get sued for discrimination? Why take the risk of expanding production in another state when that requires duplicating legal risks and overhead? Why bother to start a business at all?

Over the generations, the American spirit of individual opportunity has been manifested not only in new businesses, but in the civic and public life as well - in the culture of barn-raisings and boy scouts and cake sales. These deep roots of our common culture - which Tocqueville referred to as "self-interest, rightly understood" - have also atrophied before our eyes.

Hardly any social interaction is free of legal risk.

Doctors are conditioned by our lawsuit culture to see patients as potential plaintiffs and practice medicine wearing blinders of reimbursement bureaucracy. Every incentive is upside down - driving up health care costs to almost double that of other developed countries. The new healthcare bill does almost nothing to fix this, and instead stacks 2,700 pages of new requirements on top of the giant heap of old law.

Schools are bureaucratic viper pits. Mandates from Washington, from state capitals and from aggressive local districts transform teachers into pedagogical drones. Because of fear of lawsuits, they're told never to put an arm around a crying child. Good teachers quit, surveys show, because they don't feel free to do what's right, or indeed, even to be themselves.

Government itself is choking on accumulated law. The simplest choices take years to grind through labyrinthian requirements mandated by obsolete laws. Good public management takes superman, because accountability is nonexistent. Firing an insubordinate civil servant is even harder than firing a teacher.

Forget about building public works - that occurs on a tectonic time frame, with shovels in the ground maybe a decade or longer after the decision is made. Wind farms off the Massachusetts coast were approved this year after a decade of review by 16 different agencies - and then challenged again the next day by a dozen lawsuits.

Clearing away the poisonous legal overgrowth does not require genius. It just requires different choices.

Balancing budgets demands we pare back legal mandates, entitlements and subsidies. Containing healthcare costs requires realigning incentives so that patients and doctors have a financial responsibility to be prudent. But those choices are impossible in the current legal jungle.

"Good ideas to reform government," New York City Deputy Mayor Stephen Goldsmith recently remarked, "are often illegal."

America can't move forward until it cleans out this legal swamp. The accretion of law has made democracy inert - a sludge heap of programs and entitlements swarming with special interests - while also slowly suffocating the American spirit.

Changing leaders or parties will not solve this problem. Decades of accumulated law and bureaucracy have made it impossible for anyone to use common sense. A new President can ride into Washington on the mighty steed of public opinion - Yes We Can! - but will immediately get stuck in the bureaucratic goo.

What's required to revive America is major structural overhaul. This is a task of historic proportions - not unlike the simplification of law by Justinian in ancient Rome. Our founding fathers never imagined that democracy would become a one-way ratchet - always adding laws but never repealing them. Nor did they intend law to be a form of central planning. The Constitution sets forth our governing goals and principles in only 16 pages.

The core principle of this overhaul should be this: Restore free choice at every level of responsibility.

For example, let all public schools operate with the same freedoms, and accountability, as charter schools. Give officials the responsibility to balance different interests - not be forced by legal threats to give away scarce common resources to whoever threatens a lawsuit. Make public employees accountable for failure - but at the same time, stop telling them how to do their jobs.

A great streamlining would re-invigorate democracy. Cleaning out old mandates and entitlements would allow political leaders to make choices to meet today's needs. Radically simplifying law would allow people, including members of Congress, to actually understand it.

The goal is not to build a libertarian utopia. A crowded society requires regulatory red lights and green lights. The goal is to pull law back so it provides a framework for free choice, not a software program that tries to dictate daily choices.

The fatal flaw of the modern state is that it doesn't honor the human element of all accomplishment. Rules don't make things happen. Only people do, making fresh choices in response to the infinite complexities of daily challenges.

"We are not far from the point," Nobel economist Friedrich Hayek warned in 1960, "where the deliberately organized forces of society may destroy those spontaneous forces which have made advance possible."

We may finally be there. Government is basically bankrupt, and the accretion of law is suffocating individual initiative. Nothing will work until we clean it out.
 

IronWing

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Lawyers are the first line of defense against tyranny. I can see why you don't like them.
 

OrByte

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Reading that article...makes me want to flee America!

every man for himself I say! women and republicans first!!!
 

Moonbeam

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Fucking retard. Deregulation and lack of enforcement got us in this mess. But PJ is right. If you get bit by a rattler run out and get bit by a cobra.
 

PJABBER

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There is a corollary to the disincentivization of entrepreneurship. It is the actual cost of the system of governmental involvement that is borne by those already in business. The greatest cost is that of time wasted in doing tasks not directly related to doing business.

Obama's Huge New Tax

Lurita Doan
October 9, 2010

Lurita Alexis Doan is an African American conservative commentator who writes about issues affecting the federal government.

Pity the poor entrepreneur and small business owner in America now getting socked, with the mother of all taxes, by a government that has become either hostile, or indifferent, to understanding what it takes to build a business, grow a company and hire more workers. I'm not talking about new fees, but about a much greater confiscatory tax, imposed without any real debate or consideration--the confiscation of time.

Nearly every Obama administration initiative demands new, more complicated reporting and compliance filings on small businesses and entrepreneurs that are already overburdened with a mish-mash of reporting requirements that suck away an entrepreneur's time and energy. 2008 compliance costs for a small business, according to a recent SBA Report, was approximately $10,000 per employee. But, the Obama Administration has added new, and far more onerous, reporting demands that are likely to treble those costs to $30,000 per employee. Facing such huge, and hidden, costs of compliance, is there any wonder small businesses are not hiring as they have in the past?

Consider, for example, one of the new reporting requirements contained in Section 9006 of the disastrous Obama healthcare bill which requires all small companies to file 1099s for any purchase over $600, to include anything from office supplies to electricity to independent contractors. As a result, small businesses may need to hire a full-time compliance officer that does nothing but file these new forms and reports.

But that is just the start. For example, Section 1512 of the Recovery Act (ARRA) requires that a report with a minimum of 12 data points be submitted quarterly for each Recovery Act project over $25,000. A separate report has to be submitted if the business worked as a subcontractor on any ARRA project. This report is separate from and in addition to the mandatory, contractual reports submitted monthly to the government contracting officer on each project and, separate from and in addition to, the quarterly program reviews provided for agency leaders. Of course, if the business performs ARRA work at the State level, many of those states have additional reporting requirements for businesses who are working on federally funded stimulus projects within the state.

Small business already struggles because the federal government’s reporting requirements are a moving target. Businesses must track the unusually frequent changes in government-issued guidance regarding reporting requirements. For example, since issuing the first reporting requirements for ARRA in February 2009, these requirements have changed nine times in the past 19 months, in March 2009, April 2009, June 2009, September 2009, November 2009, December 2009, April 2010, May 2010 and most recently in September 2010.

Each “update” to the reporting requirements issued by OMB is followed by an ancillary memo issued within each federal agency by each agency’s Chief Acquisition Officer.

Businesses, especially small businesses, may spend large segments of the workday tracking reporting requirement changes. Businesses must do this because a clerical error, which could be interpreted by the oversight community as fraud, carries severe penalties, and the burden of proof of innocence falls on the business.

Taxes take many forms. More damaging, than canceling the Bush tax cuts, more damaging than the changing definition of who is considered “rich”, more disturbing than Obama Administration's complete lack of understand of what it takes to grow a business and an economy, is the fact that time is money, so the new, burdensome and intrusive reporting requirements demanded by Obama's flawed policies puts a tax burden of time on all businesses.

Under the guise of “accountability” and the lure of “transparency”, the Obama Administration continues to bombard businesses with additional, ill-thought reporting requirements. Few legislators and few members of the Obama Administration have ever experienced first-hand, the struggles of entrepreneurship--what Jerry McGuire calls "an up-at-dawn, pride-swallowing siege," of trying to win a customer's business, be competitive and succeed. The Administration, clearly, does not understand or does not care about the true cost to business of their self-serving actions.

Peter Drucker, the management guru once said: “if you’re meeting, you’re not working”. Perhaps the corollary is that when a business is “reporting”, then they aren’t really working either.

Make no mistake: well-reasoned reports aid in accountability and transparency and are essential to ensure that taxpayer dollars are spent wisely by the government. But this is not happening in the Obama Administration. The President Obama once promised he would not raise taxes on the middle class. Yet, fees, fines and mandatory purchases are “onerous, rigorous demands” which, according to Webster, qualify as taxes.

Obama has demanded the one commodity which is in limited supply, and which can never be reproduced once spent—time. Obama wastes our time--and that tax is the greatest of all.
 
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IronWing

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There is a corollary to the disincentivization of entrepreneurship. It is the actual cost of the system of governmental involvement that is borne by those already in business. The greatest cost is that of time wasted in doing tasks not directly related to doing business.
Laughing my butt off. The example given was for getting a government contract! If you don't like government in your face, first take your mouth off the tit!

Edit: Also, the contract requirements are spelled out up front. Businesses interested in bidding will build that cost into their bids, plus a margin of that cost. The result is that businesses will make more money, not less, assuming they take time to read the contract before bidding. The taxpayer will pay more but get more accountability.
 
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Fear No Evil

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Fucking retard. Deregulation and lack of enforcement got us in this mess. But PJ is right. If you get bit by a rattler run out and get bit by a cobra.

Your own self-hate continues to come flowing through in your posts but be assured that we do not think you are a fucking retard, you are mentally challenged.
 

PJABBER

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Laughing my butt off. The example given was for getting a government contract! If you don't like government in your face, first take your mouth off the tit!

Who do you think is going to deliver all of those "shovel ready" infrastructure projects? That, in turn, are supposed to stimulate hiring?

Government employees?

Edit: Also, the contract requirements are spelled out up front. Businesses interested in bidding will build that cost into their bids, plus a margin of that cost. The result is that businesses will make more money, not less, assuming they take time to read the contract before bidding. The taxpayer will pay more but get more accountability.

I guess they will be using $2,000 hammers. But the government, and the taxpayer that is paying this bill, will be sure that the hammer will be designed and built by committee and comply with OSHA standards for hitting a nail.
 
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IronWing

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Who do you think is going to deliver all of those "shovel ready" infrastructure projects? That, in turn, are supposed to stimulate hiring?

Government employees?
You realize your post makes no sense? You do, don't you?
 

PJABBER

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You realize your post makes no sense? You do, don't you?

I do know. It is a sad joke.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 nominally will cost the taxpayer around $787 billion. Of that amount, $105 billion might eventually be used for infrastructure projects that will be characterized by minimum bang for the buck.
 
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Fear No Evil

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I do know. It is a joke.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 nominally will cost the taxpayer around $787 billion. Of that amount, $105 billion might eventually be used for infrastructure projects that will be characterized by minimum bang for the buck.

You might want to speak slower so the libs have time to catch up.
 

IronWing

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I do know. It is a joke.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 nominally will cost the taxpayer around $787 billion. Of that amount, $105 billion might eventually be used for infrastructure projects.
Seems about right given that $288 billion was designated for tax breaks and $224 billion for entitlements leaving $275 billion for everything else.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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The fatal flaw of the modern state is that it doesn't honor the human element of all accomplishment. Rules don't make things happen. Only people do, making fresh choices in response to the infinite complexities of daily challenges.

This is truth with a capital 'T.'
 

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The problem isn't that we have laws and regulations. The problem is how those laws and regulations are written. Many times they are so convoluted and vague that even lawyers can't fully understand them. The big corporations like it this way (and spends $millions lobbying lawmakers to keep it this way) because their army of lawyers can find all kinds of loopholes around these laws and regulations, but this makes it hard for small businesses who can't afford armies of lawyers to compete.
 

Linflas

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Laughing my butt off. The example given was for getting a government contract! If you don't like government in your face, first take your mouth off the tit!

Edit: Also, the contract requirements are spelled out up front. Businesses interested in bidding will build that cost into their bids, plus a margin of that cost. The result is that businesses will make more money, not less, assuming they take time to read the contract before bidding. The taxpayer will pay more but get more accountability.

Ok then how about a grandmother in Indiana that is arrested after buying too much cold medicine in too short a period of time? She bought a box for her husband and in less than 7 days bought another box for an adult daughter thereby triggering her arrest. That is just 1 example among the endless examples you can find just with a simple search on this topic. It is a real and growing issue and it really starts at the local level and grows as you move up the government food chain.
 

Thump553

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Ok then how about a grandmother in Indiana that is arrested after buying too much cold medicine in too short a period of time? She bought a box for her husband and in less than 7 days bought another box for an adult daughter thereby triggering her arrest. That is just 1 example among the endless examples you can find just with a simple search on this topic. It is a real and growing issue and it really starts at the local level and grows as you move up the government food chain.

Urban myth unless you can provide concrete information-do your own "simple search" to back up what you claim to be true. I've certainly bought two boxes (or more) of restricted cough medicine within a seven day period since the restrictions (to combat meth production) went into place.

People have bitched and moaned about rules and regs ever since we had a civilized society. If we continue to have honest courts that is the resource to go to to test their constitutionality-certainly not some political party, and definately not the GOP.

As an actual entrepeneur I have noticed in my life: (1) the vast majority of people love to bitch and moan, and especially love to bitch and moan about things that are SUPPOSEDLY holding them back and (2) entrepeneurs, are by their very nature, problem solvers and usually are type A personalities, and rarely waste time on needless complaints. They aren't the sort to say I can't start a business because of the burden of regulation. Hell, look at all the businesses that have started in Red China, which is one of the most heavily regulated countries in the world.

Same old tired arguments, often used as an excuse for lack of personal motivation and initiative.
 

daishi5

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The problem isn't that we have laws and regulations. The problem is how those laws and regulations are written. Many times they are so convoluted and vague that even lawyers can't fully understand them. The big corporations like it this way (and spends $millions lobbying lawmakers to keep it this way) because their army of lawyers can find all kinds of loopholes around these laws and regulations, but this makes it hard for small businesses who can't afford armies of lawyers to compete.

I am so sick of listening to people try to figure out the term "meaningful use" and how it applies to electronic medical record projects. My wife has probably spent over 200 hours this year trying to find out how the new medicare regulations affect property insurance claims. I don't know if it is anything new, but from personal experience, a lot of time is spent trying to figure out these rules.
 

Fear No Evil

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Urban myth unless you can provide concrete information-do your own "simple search" to back up what you claim to be true. I've certainly bought two boxes (or more) of restricted cough medicine within a seven day period since the restrictions (to combat meth production) went into place.

People have bitched and moaned about rules and regs ever since we had a civilized society. If we continue to have honest courts that is the resource to go to to test their constitutionality-certainly not some political party, and definately not the GOP.

As an actual entrepeneur I have noticed in my life: (1) the vast majority of people love to bitch and moan, and especially love to bitch and moan about things that are SUPPOSEDLY holding them back and (2) entrepeneurs, are by their very nature, problem solvers and usually are type A personalities, and rarely waste time on needless complaints. They aren't the sort to say I can't start a business because of the burden of regulation. Hell, look at all the businesses that have started in Red China, which is one of the most heavily regulated countries in the world.

Same old tired arguments, often used as an excuse for lack of personal motivation and initiative.

But the left keeps telling us hard work and motivation have nothing to do with it. Its all big business, big banks, etc.. Which is it? Is the system rigged or isn't it?
 

Linflas

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Urban myth unless you can provide concrete information-do your own "simple search" to back up what you claim to be true. I've certainly bought two boxes (or more) of restricted cough medicine within a seven day period since the restrictions (to combat meth production) went into place.

People have bitched and moaned about rules and regs ever since we had a civilized society. If we continue to have honest courts that is the resource to go to to test their constitutionality-certainly not some political party, and definately not the GOP.

As an actual entrepeneur I have noticed in my life: (1) the vast majority of people love to bitch and moan, and especially love to bitch and moan about things that are SUPPOSEDLY holding them back and (2) entrepeneurs, are by their very nature, problem solvers and usually are type A personalities, and rarely waste time on needless complaints. They aren't the sort to say I can't start a business because of the burden of regulation. Hell, look at all the businesses that have started in Red China, which is one of the most heavily regulated countries in the world.

Same old tired arguments, often used as an excuse for lack of personal motivation and initiative.

Enjoy. Wabash Valley woman didn’t realize second cold medicine purchase violated drug laws
 

PingSpike

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Lawyers are the first line of defense against tyranny. I can see why you don't like them.

Aren't lawyers also the foot soldiers of tyranny?

Anyway, I think the OP has a point. Since the large corporations write the laws they usually miss the perceived target anyway. Remember all those lead toys that Mattel sold us all? What was the end result? A law was passed requiring all toy sellers to do inspections or something. And then Mattel was made exempt from it, even though they were the reason it was created. Small players are crippled so they have a harder time competing with larger players. Even if Mattel had to do the inspections (which thanks for well placed lobbying money, they do not) they would be better able to absorb the costs.

The same goes with many other regulations. Larger companies already have in house legal departments to deal with all the bullshit. Smaller ones will have to contract it out at greater expense.

I'm not saying no regulation is a great idea, but economies of scale dictate that smaller entities would suffer a much larger burden for it. Particularly when larger entities just write themselves out of it.
 
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Thump553

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But the left keeps telling us hard work and motivation have nothing to do with it. Its all big business, big banks, etc.. Which is it? Is the system rigged or isn't it?

Who on the "left" told you this (and what does it have to do with excessive regulation and laws)? A specific quotation to an attributable source would be appreciated. Otherwise this appears to be misconstrued strawman garbage.