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Drop-kick me, Jesus, through the goalposts of life.

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Homerboy said:
If it broke a rule, it broke a rule though.
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That's really the point. I couldn't care less what the intent was. Rules say you don't go to your knees after hitting paydirt. It's just a form of zero tolerance that removes intent from the equation.
 
D1gger said:
He could still take it back to the sidelines and say his prayer there. It is the throwing himself to his knees and point to the sky in the end zone to complete the play that is the show-boating.
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I should have said "...he would not think of it as showboating..."
I agree, that it would have been better of him to take it to the sidelines, which honestly it seems as if he would have been A-OK with.

I'm not saying what happened was WRONG. I'm saying the OP is a manufactured rage-o-holic.
 
vi edit said:
That's really the point. I couldn't care less what the intent was. Rules say you don't go to your knees after hitting paydirt. It's just a form of zero tolerance that removes intent from the equation.
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and one I 100% agree with.
Once again, I am more commenting on the OPs rage and attitude.
 
Christians don't thank God for allowing them to make touchdowns, they thank God because they believe that they only exist by His grace. Everything they experience, all the good and all the trials as well, are only possible because God created them.

But that thanks should not necessarily be a grandstanding, public display of your devotion. It should normally be quiet, humble and private. There are times when Christians are called to witness and publicly share their faith, but normally one should worship and pray in such a way as to not draw undue attention to themselves.
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Matthew 6

1 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Prayer

5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
 
surfsatwerk said:
Then why continue to defend the guy? Your backhanded acknowledgment of reality doesn't seem very heartfelt.
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There's no need to pick on homer because Homer was picking on the OPs obtuse and ignorant position toward others beliefs on religion. He has not said once he has an issue with the call.
 
Jesus didn't walk with a swagger or advocate showboating of any kind. The kid could've just as well said thank you in his head, or said a prayer before and/or after the game. Your personal relationship with your god, whoever that may be, is just that...personal. So shall the meek inherit the earth, not those who thank god after scoring a touchdown. gg kid, nice call refs.
 
surfsatwerk said:
Then why continue to defend the guy? Your backhanded acknowledgment of reality doesn't seem very heartfelt.
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I'm not directly defending him at all. I'm saying what he did HE did not think would be showboating. And, in reality we really do not know if it was or was not. (I'm going to bet it was not though).

I completely agree that what he did was in violation of the rules, and that it should have been flag. I don't see him arguing it or trying to weasel out of it. In fact he already said he'd change it it seems.

What's ridiculous is the OPs (and other's) attempt to instantly try to crucify this kid (pun intended) for doing what I (and others) apparently think was a heartfelt, sincere gesture and action.
 
zokudu said:
There's no need to pick on homer because Homer was picking on the OPs obtuse and ignorant position toward others beliefs on religion. He has not said once he has an issue with the call.
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So kid was giving respect to Christ's humility by showboating? The kid's religion is a bullshit front for his desire to show off.
 
surfsatwerk said:
So kid was giving respect to Christ's humility by showboating? The kid's religion is a bullshit front for his desire to show off.
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Gee you atheists sure love to take things out of context don't you. Regardless at the end of the day the kid is not protesting the call and he is saying he will no longer perform the act again so why is this an issue again?
 
D1gger said:
I think it's the falling to his knees that crossed the line. The article states that he broke the "Washington Interscholastic Activities Association rule that bans players from drawing attention to themselves".

If he had simply crossed the goal line, and pointed to the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the sky while trotting to the sidelines he would have been fine.
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My main point is that I'm not sure that's more of an attention draw than other forms of end-zone celebration that may not be flagged. Of course, they may flag everyone who so much as shakes a leg in the end-zone in Washington. In any case, you have to look at the precedents to determine whether that was a good call or not rather than just the letter of the rule.

If they do normally flag everyone who does anything in the end-zone, but haven't been flagging this guy, then he has nothing to complain about when they finally correct that. If enforcement of that rule is more lax normally, then he might have a case for a somewhat unfair call.
 
surfsatwerk said:
So kid was giving respect to Christ's humility by showboating? The kid's religion is a bullshit front for his desire to show off.
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Your assuming automatically that it was showing off though. THAT is the problem. Some people like to thank their God for things their God "allowed them to do"... "allowed them" to perform and acomplish. Right there. Right then. This is how somepeople live their lives. I'm not going to say they are "showboating" when they do it.

By other people's comments on the kid (his coach etc) The kid seems like a decent, very religous person. I'm going to make the connection then that his gesture was honest and without malice. That it was HIS way of thanking God. Not his way of drawing attention to himself. In fact it was HIS way of drawing HIS attention to his God.
 
SlitheryDee said:
My main point is that I'm not sure that's more of an attention draw than other forms of end-zone celebration that may not be flagged. Of course, they may flag everyone who so much as shakes a leg in the end-zone in Washington. In any case, you have to look at the precedents to determine whether that was a good call or not rather than just the letter of the rule.

If they do normally flag everyone who does anything in the end-zone, but haven't been flagging this guy, then he has nothing to complain about when they finally correct that. If enforcement of that rule is more lax normally, then he might have a case for a somewhat unfair call.
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Very good point. If they routinely flag ANYTHING that is "celebrating" and haven't flag this prayer before then that is out of whack. If they let kids spike it, or high-five or dance or whatever, then throwing the flag on a kneel-down is out of whack.

All the HS games I have seen (not in Washington mind you) they are very tight on what kids can and cant do. I assume that anything besides high-fives etc are frowned upon and flagged.
 
surfsatwerk said:
So kid was giving respect to Christ's humility by showboating? The kid's religion is a bullshit front for his desire to show off.
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since the kid agreed not to do it again it's hard to see him as intentionally showboating. if he really was the self-centered attention whore kid you say he is, i'd expect him to get his parents/community involved to protest the call.

but no with your infinite IQ, you clearly deduced he's a showboater. 🙄
 
I have to point out too the OPs 3rd point:

3.) The rules prohibit endzone dances of any kind, while the article suggests the kid was penalized for being religious.

I have to say that when I read the article I got NO inclination that the article was suggesting the kid was being penalized for being "religious". Even after I re-read #3 of the OP's rage.
 
gimmewhitecastles said:
CPA was right. Manufactured rage. You has it.
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Ok, chief. Thanks for weighing, in.

If you think that I'm outraged that the kid did what he did, you're mistaken. I think it's stupid, but it doesn't bother me. Frankly, I think the kids should be allowed some kind celebration which would in turn allow this kid to do his silly Jesus-dance.

What bothers me is that the Fox News "journalist" tryed to insinuate that the kid was penalized because his performance was religious. It wasn't.

But you just keep on keepin' on, chief.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
Ok, chief. Thanks for weighing, in.

If you think that I'm outraged that the kid did what he did, you're mistaken. I think it's stupid, but it doesn't bother me. Frankly, I think the kids should be allowed some kind celebration which would in turn allow this kid to do his silly Jesus-dance.

What bothers me is that the Fox News "journalist" tryed to insinuate that the kid was penalized because his performance was religious. It wasn't.

But you just keep on keepin' on, chief.
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To quote (again):

2.) WTF does any god care about whether this kid scores a touchdown or not? There's children starving to death in Africa, but God is too busy watching a 2A highschool football game guiding this kid to the endzone?

I think it's clear you went into reading that article with an preconcieved attitude and an agenda (conscious or subconscious) and got out of it what you wanted to. Then came here to post the troll-bait (which I have sadly taken hook line and sinker)
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
So much fail in one article. There' even meta-fail.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/01/high-school-player-flagged-touchdown-nod-god/?test=latestnews

1.) The kid is just grandstanding. He's an attention whore.
2.) WTF does any god care about whether this kid scores a touchdown or not? There's children starving to death in Africa, but God is too busy watching a 2A highschool football game guiding this kid to the endzone?
3.) The rules prohibit endzone dances of any kind, while the article suggests the kid was penalized for being religious.
4.) Fuck you Fox and your manufactured outrage.
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Cerpin Taxt said:
Ok, chief. Thanks for weighing, in.

If you think that I'm outraged that the kid did what he did, you're mistaken. I think it's stupid, but it doesn't bother me. Frankly, I think the kids should be allowed some kind celebration which would in turn allow this kid to do his silly Jesus-dance.

What bothers me is that the Fox News "journalist" tryed to insinuate that the kid was penalized because his performance was religious. It wasn't.

But you just keep on keepin' on, chief.
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hmmmmm. your first point did not mention "Fox News journalist" at all. it was an actual personal attack on the kid.

nice backtracking there. and if you sincerely are not outraged at all then you're certainly using the wrong choice of words to convey it.

But you just keep on keepin' on, chief.
 
gimmewhitecastles said:
since the kid agreed not to do it again it's hard to see him as intentionally showboating. if he really was the self-centered attention whore kid you say he is, i'd expect him to get his parents/community involved to protest the call.

but no with your infinite IQ, you clearly deduced he's a showboater. 🙄
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When I played football first thing I was taught is that it's the team who makes plays. Obviously this kid doesn't need his team because it's him and god making all the plays.
 
gimmewhitecastles said:
hmmmmm. your first point did not mention "Fox News journalist" at all. it was an actual personal attack on the kid.

nice backtracking there. and if you sincerely are not outraged at all then you're certainly using the wrong choice of words to convey it.

But you just keep on keepin' on, chief.
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Look, the OP posted a thread he could turn into an anti-religion thread because he knew religious people would post in it. He thinly veiled it as a "Fox News sucks" thread, but it's pretty evident the intent. The OP is by far one of the most fervent anti-religion posters on ATOT, are we honestly supposed to believe that this thread has little to do with religion, or that it doesn't really bother him very much? The OP is attention whoring just about as much as the kid in the game.
 
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