Drones around the White House

[John Connor]

Holy crap. They are talking about this right now on news radio LOL. This exact discussion ahaha. They say this is an actual major concern. In the past, someone flew a rotor copter and landed it at the German chancellor's feet! I found this article posted just two hours ago. They say drones with explosives are the biggest threat according to NYPD.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html?ITO=1490ns_mchannel=rssns_campaign=1490

My thought was that if someone is willing to do this, then why not just use a rifle and do it the old way? But with a drone, you can stay out of sight, avoid suspicions, and deliver a high explosive charge which increases chances of success with the attack. So yeah, its a real threat. People could do it.

Yeah, I saw this on the news yesterday about the German chancellor.

I have always thought of this scenario. I'm not getting into specifics, but it can be done. What I learned from the news yesterday is there wasn't a defense against this.

 

[Pulsar]

And after that.....

 

[Raizinman]

My thought was that if someone is willing to do this, then why not just use a rifle and do it the old way?

For lots of reasons:

A rifle requires line of sight. Not so with a drone.
A rifle will leave a ballistic finger print, and a gun that will need to be quickly disposed of.
A rifle will leave a loud sound that can be heard for blocks.
Secret Service are very suspicious of vans with their door cracked a few inches. Cameras are everywhere these days.
A remote control model plane can be sent from 15 or 20 miles away using video.
The payload of a drone is much better than a bullet or two.
With night vision, a drone can be sent at night in almost total invisibility, especially if painted black.
A barrage of radio control planes (25 or more) would be unstoppable.

Yes, this is a new screenplay called DRONE THE WHITE HOUSE, due out in theaters 2016.

 

[John Connor]

$500 drones only have like a 10 minute battery. Good luck flying them 15-20 miles.

 

[Phoenix86]

$500 drones only have like a 10 minute battery. Good luck flying them 15-20 miles.

You probably wouldn't need anything more than 1 mile, maybe 2.

 

[moonbogg]

For lots of reasons:

A rifle requires line of sight. Not so with a drone.
A rifle will leave a ballistic finger print, and a gun that will need to be quickly disposed of.
A rifle will leave a loud sound that can be heard for blocks.
Secret Service are very suspicious of vans with their door cracked a few inches. Cameras are everywhere these days.
A remote control model plane can be sent from 15 or 20 miles away using video.
The payload of a drone is much better than a bullet or two.
With night vision, a drone can be sent at night in almost total invisibility, especially if painted black.
A barrage of radio control planes (25 or more) would be unstoppable.

Yes, this is a new screenplay called DRONE THE WHITE HOUSE, due out in theaters 2016.

I agree with all of this, except for the range estimate. Common radio control technology has a good enough range to be considered "beyond sight" and I've found that true with my RC hobbies. But if you don't have line of sight, I'd expect it to be less. Even a mile away is pushing it I think unless you spend huge money on some really fancy tech.
But anyway, the drone threat seems like a pretty serious one to me. It creates a completely new and unique threat with no clear solution. I have an idea though to solve the problem, and this will sound silly at first, but I am guessing its only a matter of time.
Fully automated intercept drones are the answer in combination with signal jamming and things like that.
You have a high performance quad rotor unit that is networked to a local radar system which specializes in identifying small objects within a set perimeter. Once the threat is detected, the drone takes of by itself, intercepts and engages with a semi auto shotgun loaded with bird shot or another disabling device.
I actually think it would work. Bird shot is less lethal for overshooting, but very effective at disabling small craft like that at close range (at least I'd think it would be). It needs to be automated and self operating. People don't have the skills and reaction time necessary to engage something that small and fast. We need help to be effective.

Now this alternative option will sound really silly, but I also think it may work. Intercept eagles or other large, powerful, predatory birds that can be raised to identify and attack certain types of RC craft, in the same way dogs are trained to attack people.

 

[William Gaatjes]

They may not be cheap where you are, but for $1000 I can easily buy a long-range drone with payload capacity. There are things a whole lot worse than a grenade. Aerosol spraying comes to mind.

I wonder if drones even get a radar return for all the high-tech weapons to lock on.

3000 people in a the twin towers? How about an outdoor football game - cause a panic and then man the exit doors with a couple loonies with guns.

For most people, 1000 dollars is a lot of money. Especially in the Israel vs Palestine scenario. But for dedicated terrorists who have funding, it is possible.
But then again, how much rockets and bombs can be made for 1000 dollars ?

 

[Thebobo]

I agree with all of this, except for the range estimate. Common radio control technology has a good enough range to be considered "beyond sight" and I've found that true with my RC hobbies. But if you don't have line of sight, I'd expect it to be less. Even a mile away is pushing it I think unless you spend huge money on some really fancy tech.
But anyway, the drone threat seems like a pretty serious one to me. It creates a completely new and unique threat with no clear solution. I have an idea though to solve the problem, and this will sound silly at first, but I am guessing its only a matter of time.
Fully automated intercept drones are the answer in combination with signal jamming and things like that.
You have a high performance quad rotor unit that is networked to a local radar system which specializes in identifying small objects within a set perimeter. Once the threat is detected, the drone takes of by itself, intercepts and engages with a semi auto shotgun loaded with bird shot or another disabling device.
I actually think it would work. Bird shot is less lethal for overshooting, but very effective at disabling small craft like that at close range (at least I'd think it would be). It needs to be automated and self operating. People don't have the skills and reaction time necessary to engage something that small and fast. We need help to be effective.

Now this alternative option will sound really silly, but I also think it may work. Intercept eagles or other large, powerful, predatory birds that can be raised to identify and attack certain types of RC craft, in the same way dogs are trained to attack people.

There are a fair amount of hawks in DC with all the squirrels and feeding from humans. I use to take lunch in lafayette park right across from the white house and have seen a couple hawk kills on smaller birds one right on the ground in front of me. Was one of the birds I was feeding haha.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Luckily, government agencies in the world keep track what materials are bought that could be used to harm other people.