Droid 2.2 ... when?

[MJinZ]

I have never used a phone so awesome before... and if I had a choice between the new Incredible vs my Droid, I would take the Droid hands down. Touch Screen typing is incompetent compared to a keyboard, which is the biggest win. And... battery life has been innnnncredible (not so lucky for the Incredible folks).

So, when is Droid 2.2? I'm hoping for a bump in speed and battery life.

 

[Deeko]

2.2 isn't out at all yet. It took Droid about 4 months after the release of 2.1 before it was officially released, so don't count on Droid getting 2.2 any time soon.

 

[Phobic9]

Yep pretty much what Deeko said. After Google finally makes 2.2 available, Motorola will have to test it and once they're done Verizon will have to do the same. It could be a while and more than likely even longer since I have an Incredible.

 

[anxi80]

the touch screen typing isnt bad but take my old touch pro 2 and put android 2.1 and the incredibles camera and thats my dream/super-phone right there.

 

[MJinZ]

the touch screen typing isnt bad but take my old touch pro 2 and put android 2.1 and the incredibles camera and thats my dream/super-phone right there.

I used to be huge into camera phones (think Sony Ericson K and W series, NOkia N etc)...

But I realized an average one is perfectly fine for a phone. Even dedicated digital cameras like high end Canon compacts have trouble taking good pictures with small sensors, slowish lenses etc that a phone is just complete failure in comparison (super tiny sensors, horrible lenses, no xenon flash for most phones, no zooming, horrible software, horrible lag, horrible image overall...).

Cameras specs on a phone are literally the last thing I look at.

 

[Deeko]

I used to be huge into camera phones (think Sony Ericson K and W series, NOkia N etc)...

But I realized an average one is perfectly fine for a phone. Even dedicated digital cameras like high end Canon compacts have trouble taking good pictures with small sensors, slowish lenses etc that a phone is just complete failure in comparison (super tiny sensors, horrible lenses, no xenon flash for most phones, no zooming, horrible software, horrible lag, horrible image overall...).

Cameras specs on a phone are literally the last thing I look at.

Its disappointing. Its become this battle of megapixels, but the lenses and flashes on camera phone are so terrible that it doesn't matter. I have a 10 year old 2MP Olympus camera with an awesome lens on it that takes considerably better pictures than my Droid or HD2.

I would love if a smartphone actually had a decent camera - that would be a great feature. Unfortunately, they don't really seem concerned with that...they just want to bump up the megapixel rating.

I had a Nokia N95 that had a carl zeiss lens on it - it was better than the other 5MP camera phones I've had, definitely, but still not on the level of a standalone camera.

 

[MJinZ]

Its disappointing. Its become this battle of megapixels, but the lenses and flashes on camera phone are so terrible that it doesn't matter. I have a 10 year old 2MP Olympus camera with an awesome lens on it that takes considerably better pictures than my Droid or HD2.

I would love if a smartphone actually had a decent camera - that would be a great feature. Unfortunately, they don't really seem concerned with that...they just want to bump up the megapixel rating.

I had a Nokia N95 that had a carl zeiss lens on it - it was better than the other 5MP camera phones I've had, definitely, but still not on the level of a standalone camera.

Yep, there's basically no point. For everyday pics of random shit, any cell phone camera does the job. Whatever we have on the Droid works fine for the random shot.

For actually taking photos worth keeping, better get a Canon S90 or a Panny LX3 if you want to stay compactish.

 

[MDE]

I've almost stopped using the hard keyboard on my Droid now that I've got Swype installed. Pretty frickin awesome.

 

[Atty]

I'm loving my Incredible. I'm hoping that 2.2/Froyo will be released fairly quickly for it. I know HTC has to work it in with its Sense UI crap but I'm hoping since its Verizon's flagship phone as well as HTCs wonder child they'll both focus on getting the update out asap.

 

[Bateluer]

It'll be available from Cyanogen within a month of it being posted from Google.

 

[MJinZ]

It'll be available from Cyanogen within a month of it being posted from Google.

I don't want Cyanogen. I want official. ^_^

 

[jaydee]

I used to be huge into camera phones (think Sony Ericson K and W series, NOkia N etc)...

But I realized an average one is perfectly fine for a phone. Even dedicated digital cameras like high end Canon compacts have trouble taking good pictures with small sensors, slowish lenses etc that a phone is just complete failure in comparison (super tiny sensors, horrible lenses, no xenon flash for most phones, no zooming, horrible software, horrible lag, horrible image overall...).

Cameras specs on a phone are literally the last thing I look at.

But compare my 5mp Droid camera to my old 0.3mp camera phone... that's a big difference! You're right though, not only the lens, but no optical zoom hurts camera phones quite a bit as well. Of course when you're selling a fully functional smartphone for $200 (w/contract) that happens to have a built-in camera, can you really expect it to compete with a $200 dedicated camera?

 

[Deeko]

But compare my 5mp Droid camera to my old 0.3mp camera phone... that's a big difference! You're right though, not only the lens, but no optical zoom hurts camera phones quite a bit as well. Of course when you're selling a fully functional smartphone for $200 (w/contract) that happens to have a built-in camera, can you really expect it to compete with a $200 dedicated camera?

Like I said though - my old 2MP camera that's almost 10 years old, and certainly not worth $200 anymore, demolishes any picture these camera phones take. A $200 camera isn't that expensive, and remember that a lot of that cost comes from things the cell phone has too, like an LCD screen, case, processors, etc. Plus a $200 camera isn't subsidized on a contract, like you mentioned - these smartphones go for $500-$600 retail.

I can't imagine it would be THAT much more expensive to add on a better lens & flash.

 

[MrX8503]

I'm pretty sure everyone knows that a camera phone cannot compete with any kind of dedicated camera.

The fact of the matter is that there's simply not enough room inside a phone for all the necessary components to produce a high quality image. A dedicated camera is bigger than a cell phone itself, certainly a good camera cannot fit inside a space the size of a dime

 

[Deeko]

I'm pretty sure everyone knows that a camera phone cannot compete with any kind of dedicated camera.

The fact of the matter is that there's simply not enough room inside a phone for all the necessary components to produce a high quality image. A dedicated camera is bigger than a cell phone itself, certainly a good camera cannot fit inside a space the size of a dime

There have been compact digital cameras with lenses not much bigger than that on a cell phone for years now, that take CONSIDERABLY better pictures. The phone companies could do it if they wanted to. They don't. Its cheaper (and from a sales perspective, just as effective) to tout a high megapixel number, despite crappy optics, because the average consumer doesn't know any better.

 

[Fox5]

I'm pretty sure everyone knows that a camera phone cannot compete with any kind of dedicated camera.

The fact of the matter is that there's simply not enough room inside a phone for all the necessary components to produce a high quality image. A dedicated camera is bigger than a cell phone itself, certainly a good camera cannot fit inside a space the size of a dime

Some nokias have decent picture quality.

http://vimeo.com/11266224

http://conversations.nokia.com/2010...xel-sample-photos-shot-on-nokia-n8-untouched/

I think cell phones are certainly capable of competing with those popular pocket cameras that tons of people carry around.

I personally have a Nokia N900. The camera isn't bad for well lit scenes (the autofocus works well enough), but anything that requires the flash is worthless. It can't take pictures for crap in the dark.

 

[murphy55d]

It'll be available from Cyanogen within a month of it being posted from Google.

can't wait