I'm willing to bet that 30-50% of people who post on Anandtech have got NO idea what they're talking about. Have you ever even BEEN in a car? The amount of bullsh*t that is thrown around here as gospel truth is unbelievable!!!!!!! :disgust:
I'm willing to bet that 30-50% of people who post on Anandtech have got NO idea what they're talking about. Have you ever even BEEN in a car? The amount of bullsh*t that is thrown around here as gospel truth is unbelievable!!!!!!! :disgust:
Hmmm, actually I think the advice is pretty sound. Use the handbrake, just release it before the car actually goes forward (which the parking brake will allow if you give the engine enough throttle).
He wrote 'It prevents the car from rolling backwards, but allows forward motion" A handbrake stops the back wheels from turning. Of course applying enough acceleration is going to let you move forward, as would applying enough force to the front of the car make it move backwards with it on. But it isn't DESIGNED to allow the car to move forward with it on. It lets you do hill-starts, but you don't DRIVE forward with the handbrake on, you release it at the clutch 'grabbing' point!
He wrote 'It prevents the car from rolling backwards, but allows forward motion" A handbrake stops the back wheels from turning. Of course applying enough acceleration is going to let you move forward, as would applying enough force to the front of the car make it move backwards with it on. But it isn't DESIGNED to allow the car to move forward with it on. It lets you do hill-starts, but you don't DRIVE forward with the handbrake on, you release it at the clutch 'grabbing' point!
Ok, might have been a bit harsh with my first post, if I re-read his, but it came across the first time as the handbrake is designed to let you move forward, but not backwards...
Lithium381
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i thought the law was that it's the person behind you's fault........for being too close, yeah, use the brake.....don't sit on the clutch
N8Magic
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Personally if i'm on a steep hill, i'll stay on the normal brake pedal until it's time to move.
When it's time to move, I let the clutch out slowly until it starts to grab, and release the pressure on the brake pedal. This ensures you don't roll backwards, and limits wear on the clutch.
When it's time to move, I let the clutch out slowly until it starts to grab, and release the pressure on the brake pedal. This ensures you don't roll backwards, and limits wear on the clutch.
You're not really supposed to use the handbrake either...Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: Yield
I never roll.. I maintain clutch/gas when I am on a hill
This feels good but is VERY harmful to your car. This is what handbrakes are for (well, one thing, anyway!). It annoys me that some manufacturers are making cars with manual transmissions and a foot-actuated E-brake (a friend's Ford Ranger truck is like this), which makes the job tougher. In any case, this practice will lead to a quick death for your clutch, so I suggest you learn to use the handbrake instead.
If you have any consideration for your transmition NEVER do that.
Just use the hand brake
In a couple of years this problem should be gone since more car makers are introducing "hill brake control" or something like that which prevents the car from rolling backwards in steep hills. ie: 2003 Subaru Forester
Iam pretty sure both of u would get part blame. You for not beeing in control of your car and the one behind for driving way too close. And if u cant get going fast enough with your manual to not roll back try to support with your handbrake and u wont roll back, u feel when the clutch is engaging and can ease of the handbrake
Pretty sound? WTF? The handbrake doesn't have any bias about working forwards or backwards -- this is very bad advice.
Get out and tell the jerk to back up unless he doesn't mind you resting your car against his front bumper
Don Vito Corleone
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I think this is patented by Subaru, who have used it for several years, and I am unaware of anyone else licensing it, so unfortunately I think the problem is here to stay for us non-Subie drivers.
sorry new driving stick only done it couple of times, but whats wrong with just using the regular break pedal on a hill and then using the clutch and shift when the light turns?
You have to admit that would be a great help to have in San Francisco...with the fact that the hills are so level
I went there once and was in the ear seat of the car when we went over what seemed to be a "small" crest
When I looked down the other side, I nearly crapped my pants..I was like we were driving down a mountain.....
Driving stick must suck there..not to mention being DANGEROUS AS HELL
My friends always tell me stories of randomnly seeing cars rolling down streets
Zenmervolt
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Actually, if it's only like 6 inches or a foot that you roll back then it would be the guy behind you's fault for failure to maintain clear distance. IIRC the law in Ohio is that you are supposed to stop at least 3 feet behind the person in front of you at a stop signal. If you're rolling backward 3 feet or more, you shouldn't be driving a stick. Personally, I just hold the brake until I take off, but I start letting the clutch out before I let off the brake. This way, I can just put my foot on the gas and go. I don't usually roll back more than a couple inches. If I'm bored though, I'll just sit there doing the ol' pull forward, coast backward, pull forward, coast backward. That maneuver is also handy for illustrating the fact that you have a stick-shift to the guy behind you who decided to pull up within an inch or two from your bumper.
If you're good at judging distance and good with the clutch, you can really scare those types by making them think you're going to roll back into them, and then pulling forward at the last moment.
ZV
RaySun2Be
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That's all very well and good IF you have a hand brake, and not a foot brake like I do in my S10.
Much better to learn how to manage the brake, gas and clutch pedals without depending on a handbrake. Just takes some practice.
One can also learn to shift up and down the gears without using the clutch. Handy in case the clutch linkage breaks.
(happened to me one time in a work truck. had to learn real quick. drove the thing around several days without a working clutch pedal before the owner got it fixed. Got to where I could up and down shift all gears, although downshifting into granny gear was a pain)
Don Vito Corleone
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You have to admit that would be a great help to have in San Francisco...with the fact that the hills are so level
I went there once and was in the ear seat of the car when we went over what seemed to be a "small" crest
When I looked down the other side, I nearly crapped my pants..I was like we were driving down a mountain.....
Driving stick must suck there..not to mention being DANGEROUS AS HELL
My friends always tell me stories of randomnly seeing cars rolling down streets
I lived in SF for about five years, and had no problem with driving stick there. It can be a gut-check at times, though.
Re-read N8's post and my agreement with itOriginally posted by: RaySun2Be
That's all very well and good IF you have a hand brake, and not a foot brake like I do in my S10.
Much better to learn how to manage the brake, gas and clutch pedals without depending on a handbrake. Just takes some practice.
One can also learn to shift up and down the gears without using the clutch. Handy in case the clutch linkage breaks.
(happened to me one time in a work truck. had to learn real quick. drove the thing around several days without a working clutch pedal before the owner got it fixed. Got to where I could up and down shift all gears, although downshifting into granny gear was a pain)
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I think this is one area where the UK is better than the US!
The majority of people over here learn to drive in a manual (stick shift) car rather than an automatic. Cos if you learn in a manual, you can drive an auto without any probs (legal probs that is) but if you learn in an auto you have to take another test in a manual.
Therefore most people learn in a manual car. I was always taught to use the handbrake when stopping on a hill, then when i want to pull away, get the biting point on the clutch then release the handbrake, then you'll pull away nicely
I've done this on a 25-30 degree hill (road where one of my friends lives, the steepest in my home town) and pulled away without rolling back.
I also sometimes sit there on the clutch on a hill, normally at tickover RPM as well. Tho if this is any more than 10-20 seconds i'll just chuck the handbrake on, or sit on the foot brake, then just do some quick shifting of feet from the brake to the accelerator (gas) while my other foot sits on the clutch the whole time. Doing this i've never rolled back more than 1-2 inches, even on this steep hill!
Just takes a little practice, and is great for learning the biting point of the clutch in the car!
The majority of people over here learn to drive in a manual (stick shift) car rather than an automatic. Cos if you learn in a manual, you can drive an auto without any probs (legal probs that is
) but if you learn in an auto you have to take another test in a manual.Therefore most people learn in a manual car. I was always taught to use the handbrake when stopping on a hill, then when i want to pull away, get the biting point on the clutch then release the handbrake, then you'll pull away nicely
I've done this on a 25-30 degree hill (road where one of my friends lives, the steepest in my home town) and pulled away without rolling back.
I also sometimes sit there on the clutch on a hill, normally at tickover RPM as well. Tho if this is any more than 10-20 seconds i'll just chuck the handbrake on, or sit on the foot brake, then just do some quick shifting of feet from the brake to the accelerator (gas) while my other foot sits on the clutch the whole time. Doing this i've never rolled back more than 1-2 inches, even on this steep hill!
Just takes a little practice, and is great for learning the biting point of the clutch in the car!
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