Driving experts - what to do when countersteer isn't enough?

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Vic

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Correct. You back off the throttle when the countersteer isn't working, but past the point of no-return you go "both feet in," clutch and brakes. At which point you usually snap 180 and come to a rolling stop backwards.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Vic
Correct. You back off the throttle when the countersteer isn't working, but past the point of no-return you go "both feet in," clutch and brakes. At which point you usually snap 180 and come to a rolling stop backwards.

Couldn't you just give a little throttle in an AWD vehicle?
 

DivideBYZero

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Don't get into the balls out side window view slide in the first place. The snap back is a b1tch, even in an AWD car. Sometimes you may be better off stomping the clutch and brake and riding the slide to a standstill.

<---Suffered from the snap back a couple of times. Both in RWD and AWD. TANK SLAPPERS FTL!
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Vic
Correct. You back off the throttle when the countersteer isn't working, but past the point of no-return you go "both feet in," clutch and brakes. At which point you usually snap 180 and come to a rolling stop backwards.
Couldn't you just give a little throttle in an AWD vehicle?
Yes, if you still have some grip left. AWD functions more like FWD in that regard, depending on the F/R torque distribution. Chances are though that if you're in a slide and losing it, that's because you were already in the throttle. :)
 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Vic
Correct. You back off the throttle when the countersteer isn't working, but past the point of no-return you go "both feet in," clutch and brakes. At which point you usually snap 180 and come to a rolling stop backwards.
Couldn't you just give a little throttle in an AWD vehicle?
Yes, if you still have some grip left. AWD functions more like FWD in that regard, depending on the F/R torque distribution. Chances are though that if you're in a slide and losing it, that's because you were already in the throttle. :)

Exactly. If you are at full opposite lock you pretty much don't have much left to give. You would have been giving it beans before the slide to have to correct so much.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Exactly. If you are at full opposite lock you pretty much don't have much left to give. You would have been giving it beans before the slide to have to correct so much.

Well I didn't say it was a smart thing to do. ;)

If you watch the cop/m3 video the trooper looks like he is at full lock to the left.

He almost had control of it but with his front sloped uphill I doubt his front tires had much traction at all.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: SSSnail
Heel toe driving FTW. Don't you watch any Initial-D?

No point in bringing up such cultured race training videos to these plebeian schwine!

Also, from what I can think up, it may be best (depending on how fast you're going!) to try to spin out. You'll probably end up not traveling as far "forward" (if you've got a distance limit), but too fast and you may cause some other problems :eek:. Of course this is mostly from me picturing it in my head, I know my car's limits and don't try to supersede them :p.